Also: imagine if you fought a bunch of bad guys, but were immediately thought to be someone else — of course you would want recognition. Saying "I don't want a woman's work to be taken by a man" is slightly on the nose, but completely in character. I mean, again, there is a reason she wears a bright red wig in the comics.
This is just for clarity's sake, but it's in-character only for this adaptation of Kate, and in her early days. She doesn't have that sort of motive or rationale in the comics.
My stories on AO3.She didn't become Batwoman to get famous, that's true, but it doesn't look like she did that in the show either. In the comics, she was looking for a purpose for her life after she was kicked out by West Point (and after she had a "lost year"). It looks like the same happened in the show, but she becomes Batwoman after a former girlfriend is kidnapped.
She doesn't wear a wig in the comics so people will know she's a woman, she wears it because it's a distraction tactic. And being a Bat-anything wasn't even her idea, but Jacob's. On her own, she never adopted any sort of bat-related insignia for herself.
TV!Kate explicitly wants recognition, which has never been something comic!Kate has cared about.
My stories on AO3.Also, yes, there has been a massive comment bombing.
Edited by alliterator on May 19th 2019 at 11:50:30 AM
Seriously, where are you getting that from, specifically? I honestly can't remember that point coming up anywhere.
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If you're saying
Then... no, that's simply, flatly wrong. I dunno what else to tell you. Kate is motivated by service and does not care about having that acknowledged in any way.
But if you mean that she wears a unique suit so she's recognizable as a Bat, that's different.
My stories on AO3.Once again: she wears a bright red wig. If it was only for distraction (if criminals grab the hair, it will come off), it wouldn't be bright red. But it is. She wants people to know she's Batwoman.
She's not motivation by recognition, sure, but that doesn't mean she doesn't want it.
Edited by alliterator on May 19th 2019 at 12:22:52 PM
It's not actually as bright in-universe as it looks to us. Jacob specifically says that the red of her suit "doesn't pop". The red we the audience see is an exaggeration just like Kate's skin and real hair are.
My stories on AO3.Also, in the comics, Kate Kane's skin is super pale like that. That's...kind of her whole thing. She's super pale with red hair (cut in a buzz cut).
Edited by alliterator on May 19th 2019 at 12:35:14 PM
Except no, it's not. That's literally what is said on-panel. Jacob used red for her suit because "It's a good color. Doesn't pop during night ops." It's supposed to be subdued and not obvious.
Her skin's colored that way, yes, but she's not supposed to be literally paper-white, just like her hair isn't literally fire engine red. Here's a quote from JHWIII about it.
Also, I've been just having this conversation in the MCU thread - Word of God is meaningless, I only go by what's on the page.
Except they did tell the colorist. It's not a mistake or something. They're exaggerating her hair and skin because it looks neat.
And a big 'ol double bird to the idea that Word of God is meaningless.
Unless it's a dream or hallucination, what's on the page is what's on the page. It's not "exaggerated" or anything like that. It's literally what's on the page. You can't say "Oh, what's on the page isn't what actually happened because of what the characters say," because that's stupid. The characters could say anything and the page could display something completely different, so which are we supposed to go by? The actual art.
Also, once again: Word of God is useless, considering how many writers there have been on Batwoman and other characters.
What characters say is also "literally what's on the page," so why are you saying that doesn't matter?
Edited by caivu on May 19th 2019 at 5:28:32 AM
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It's from Detective Comics #860. And now you're just reaching; Jacob has bad eyesight, really? What happened to "literally what's on the page"?
But seriously: Jacob is a pilot and therefore has to have good color vision.
Edited by caivu on May 19th 2019 at 5:53:53 AM
My stories on AO3.An explanation that is not on the page (plus he's still perfectly capable of flying and landing a plane, so it holds that his eyes are fine).
Do you hold to this...
...or not?
Then please show me where, because all you've said is that it's implied. I've cited my sources, please do the same.
Edited by caivu on May 19th 2019 at 6:23:49 AM
My stories on AO3.I won't be surprised if the showrunner turns out to be a racist, homophobic jackass on par with The 100's Jason Rothenberg, who not only pissed off the fans by shoving several important minority characters into the fridge, but also pretty much made Ricky Whittle quit the show.
The military thing is a pretty cool detail & part of Kate’s character. You don’t see something like it often which makes it interesting.
Also I really don’t have an issue with what they are doing. Sure they don’t nail some lines but it’s not a dealbreaker or anything.
Edited by slimcoder on May 19th 2019 at 9:37:18 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Jesus... That trailer is pretty much Have I Mentioned I Am Very, Very Lesbian Today. It's like the creators are desperately trying to prove they're progressive, except they are not and they don't really want to, but there's that pressure. Like "Arf, I'm half Berzerkeley and half brass knuckles! I'm more butch than a butcher!" It's almost as cringeworthy as watching a conservative preacher being violently shaken out of the closet.
"what the complete, unabridged, 4k ultra HD fuck with bonus features" - Mark Von Lewis