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caivu Since: Sep, 2014
#1026: Oct 20th 2021 at 2:48:18 PM

[up] I mean, literally all those comments claiming to be from WB/CW employees could be trolls. They're all anonymous, for a start.

The comments on that article are not a good way of verifying things one way or the other unless there's solid evidence.

Edited by caivu on Oct 20th 2021 at 5:48:55 AM

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1027: Oct 20th 2021 at 3:15:59 PM

Ho ho holy shit.

Bet the CW didn't want that in the open. 😆

Edited by FOFD on Oct 20th 2021 at 6:16:11 AM

BaronVonFistcrunch Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1028: Oct 20th 2021 at 3:24:13 PM

And I've heard Ruby wasn't pleasant to work with (I found her comment about Camrus to be unnecessary), but that doesn't mean that she's lying about her claims.

Toxic working environments can turn even the nicest human beings into monsters, and they often do not realize how bad they acted until they 'detox' for a time. I am not inclined to believe that Rose is at fault here and these claims are anything but a smokescreen, but even if she did act poorly the working environment can take at least part of the blame.

Edited by BaronVonFistcrunch on Oct 20th 2021 at 3:25:17 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#1029: Oct 21st 2021 at 9:15:38 AM

As for the new episode, I love that they aren't suddenly trying to make Alice outright heroic. What she did to that little girl was so in-character.

Also, Montoya seems more like a Junior-Version of Amanda Waller.

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MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#1030: Oct 21st 2021 at 9:23:39 AM

Both Dougray Scott and Camrus Johnson dispute Ruby's claims and say she was fired due to complaints.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1031: Oct 21st 2021 at 11:06:45 AM

[up] Okay, so maybe both sides were very, very wrong?

Because CBR had a production assistant for season 1 tell a massive horror story about dealing with Ruby.

I mean, getting a neck injury is serious, but it doesn't excuse being a complete witch on set.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1032: Oct 21st 2021 at 5:31:53 PM

Reading about what goes on behind the scenes of most productions makes me intensely uncomfortable. Not only the voyeurish nature of it, but after seeing all of those cheery "here's how we made Batwoman videos" with the cast only to later find all of this out "my god."

This isn't as bad as Allison Mack from Smallville but it's close.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#1033: Oct 24th 2021 at 1:46:01 PM

Ruby now apparently releasing e-mails and text messages to validate her allegations

Edited by Zarius on Oct 24th 2021 at 1:46:11 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#1035: Oct 25th 2021 at 11:57:31 AM

The Saga Continues

Warner openly defend Dougray Scott

Edited by Zarius on Oct 25th 2021 at 12:02:56 PM

StrixObscuro from Somewhere in Massachusetts Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#1036: Oct 25th 2021 at 5:00:58 PM

Rose is now claiming that Dougray Scott is suing her for defamation. Nobody has been able to find confirmation of this, though.

By now, it should be clear to all except the most dense of us that sheep are secretly conspiring to kill us all and steal our pants.
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1037: Oct 26th 2021 at 8:58:07 PM

$10 says Alice is on Team Batwoman by Season 4.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#1038: Oct 30th 2021 at 11:18:16 AM

I'm not really interested in Ryan's mother that much, but her bro seems like a likeable guy.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#1039: Nov 6th 2021 at 12:00:26 PM

First I was not interested in Jada. Now she seems downright evil :D Let's see where this goes.

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MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#1040: Nov 6th 2021 at 3:44:04 PM

Yep, like I thought, she’s Jezebel Jet.

Edited by MegaJ on Nov 6th 2021 at 5:44:21 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1041: Nov 6th 2021 at 9:36:20 PM

Next time anyone complains about Black Lightning or Nubia's names being too on the nose for modern times, I'll just point out this character as an example of what a white writer thought was an acceptable name for a black woman in 2006.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1042: Nov 7th 2021 at 11:45:02 AM

Grant Morrison was all about the silly Sixties stuff in the Modern Era. I'm honestly surprised it wasn't worse.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1043: Nov 7th 2021 at 5:50:43 PM

I love how they're trying to figure out Fries' tech in Gotham and, meanwhile, Snart is running around with his cold gun and his parka...

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1044: Nov 12th 2021 at 12:52:02 PM

Is it weird that... despite falling off of this show, and despite all of the controversy, I've been buying episodes on Youtube and getting invested in the show.

I can't tell if it's because Javicia Leslie is hot, or if Alice's character has won me over. It's the only Arrowverse show I can actually digest right now.

A LESSON FROM PROFESSOR PYG.

  • Montoya is gay for Poison Ivy. I cannot blame her.
  • So this episode deals with Ryan and Sophie going on their first official "date" and having a sit down with Jada, finally.
  • Things go awry when Batman villain Professor Pyg shows up to get revenge on Jada for firing him long ago.
  • Marquis is getting more interesting - possibility we're going to have a black Joker in this series, a la Batman Beyond Joker. It turns out Jada knew about this and has been giving Ryan the cold shoulder to keep her safe... by destroying her livelihood.
  • Batman's presence is still felt despite this Earth's Batman being inactive/missing for years. Did they ever go back to that? We met Evil Bruce Wayne in Crisis, but he was still in Gotham.
  • Alice is genuinely my favorite part of the show now despite being my least liked character in the first season. What is happening.
  • So Pyg is pretty easily disarmed/stunned. Amazing nobody thought to break his neck or his legs when he was downed.
  • Mary and Luke are still having drama about what Alice said to Mary about being expendable. Mary also seems to be turning into a Poison Ivy-expy. Itchy skin, infection from one of Ivy's plants, curious amount of botanical knowledge.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 13th 2021 at 3:53:57 PM

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#1045: Nov 12th 2021 at 4:52:44 PM

[up]I'm pretty sure Marquis was involved in the same bus that was hijacked by the Joker, which resulted in Kate's family tragedy. I think this will ultimately cause Ryan to have some humanity towards Alice, now that she has a brother who's now a sociopath through no fault of his own though in his case, it was due to injury.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1046: Nov 13th 2021 at 4:12:03 AM

So Pyg is pretty easily disarmed/stunned. Amazing nobody thought to break his neck or his legs when he was downed.

Maybe because they had all been drugged with a paralytic and their first instinct was getting away. Breaking his neck or legs might have been an option under better circumstances but even attempting to do that could have left them vulnerable.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 13th 2021 at 4:13:15 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1047: Nov 13th 2021 at 5:19:14 AM

I mean, Alice has gradually just become Harley Quinn and almost everyone loves Harley Quinn. Even people who hate Harley Quinn love Harley Quinn. She's like pizza or the horizontal batusi. Even when she's bad, she's good.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 13th 2021 at 5:19:49 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1048: Nov 13th 2021 at 5:21:54 AM

Don't you vomit after eating too much pizza?

Like last time I ate pizza I wound up eating too much and felt sick for the next day.

Huh thats some symbolic shit right there.

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#1049: Nov 13th 2021 at 5:49:47 AM

Harley is the the "fourth pillar" of DC's comics, after the famous 'Trinity' of #Batman, #Superman, and #Wonder Woman.

So I guess alice to will take that role for the arrowverse.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1050: Nov 13th 2021 at 12:42:39 PM

Maybe because they had all been drugged with a paralytic and their first instinct was getting away. Breaking his neck or legs might have been an option under better circumstances but even attempting to do that could have left them vulnerable.

I want to give them that benefit of the doubt, but Ryan in that same instance was able to coordinate the others to escape, make it up the stairs to find Marquis's dead girlfriend, stabbed Pyg in the leg, and also grabbed an object and clubbed him with it. She even managed to sneak downstairs.

Breaking his legs or neck was totally an option. I don't think the paralytic was affecting Ryan as much as it was everyone else.

This is Scream movie logic people. Do more than just run. If you knock the killer off his feet because he's wearing a ridiculous costume with terrible visibility, you have the upper hand. Don't keep running away! Take that sucker out! Kick him in the throat. Do something! The dude is going to kill you!

I mean, Alice has gradually just become Harley Quinn and almost everyone loves Harley Quinn. Even people who hate Harley Quinn love Harley Quinn. She's like pizza or the horizontal batusi. Even when she's bad, she's good.

She's the Kathryn Hahn of the CW verse.

[up]I'm pretty sure Marquis was involved in the same bus that was hijacked by the Joker, which resulted in Kate's family tragedy. I think this will ultimately cause Ryan to have some humanity towards Alice, now that she has a brother who's now a sociopath through no fault of his own though in his case, it was due to injury.

I'm not sure how they're going to carry out this Joker-like story arc though. Marquis doesn't strike me as the "legitimate threat to Batwoman" type.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 13th 2021 at 3:50:27 PM


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