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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#1901: Jul 27th 2024 at 7:38:45 PM

Are we supposed to find Viren's wife totally unsympathetic? Because I do.
I'm no expert on such matters, but it Viren's account of harvesting her tears felt kinda r*pe-y, so I don't know that I would call her unsympathetic for getting the hell out of Dodge. She shoulda taken Soren and Claudia with her when she bailed, if that's what you mean.

Pfeh. Page topper.

Edited by Eagal on Jul 27th 2024 at 7:39:28 AM

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1902: Jul 27th 2024 at 7:52:23 PM

At the very least it was domestic abuse considering he yanked her hair until she cried enough.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1903: Jul 27th 2024 at 9:40:32 PM

Yeah there was definitely abusive and non-consensual vibes in the act.

Also nice to know the whole body literally looking like a corpse the more you use dark magic isn’t just cosmetic either. Dark Magic is basically Magic Meth as well.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1904: Jul 28th 2024 at 12:32:44 AM

I suppose the circumstances affected my opinion given what it was done to do to save their child and that she abandoned them both to someone she thought was abusive.

But yeah, in retrospect, she should have gotten out of there with both kids.

The fact she left them with Viren implies she worried he'd follow her if she took them.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1905: Jul 28th 2024 at 1:55:56 AM

Though the show itself doesn’t mention it the extra stuff outside the show that revealed they were separated before this season do mention the kids were given the choice on whether to stay with Viren or leave with their mom. Both chose their dad.

Claudia herself alluded to this in the past as why she’s so afraid of her loved ones leaving her as she didn’t want to chose at all and didn’t know why they were being separated.

So it’s pretty easy to understand how it could be misunderstood as her just leaving them flat out without trying to get the kids to go with her at all.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 28th 2024 at 1:57:55 AM

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DemonDamian Creating a new humanity Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#1906: Jul 28th 2024 at 8:51:02 AM

Back in season 2, Claudia says their parents made them choose who to go with. While Claudia was hesitant, Soren decided he wanted to stay with Viren, and Lissa told Claudia she couldn't leave her brother alone.

A bit ironic, considering how Viren started treating him after Lissa left, but it really sets a precedent of Claudia preferring others to make the choices for her, be it Soren, Viren, or now Aaravos.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1907: Jul 28th 2024 at 10:04:15 AM

Ah, that explains that.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1908: Jul 28th 2024 at 4:25:12 PM

[up]x2 I admit it’s been so long since I saw that scene I didn’t remember the specifics myself. I only remember the side materials going into more details on why their mom left them and that being elaborated this season.

And since he was High Mage the man had both the power and means to stop his wife from taking the kids if she tried to take them away.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 28th 2024 at 4:26:03 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1909: Jul 29th 2024 at 2:52:24 AM

It's darkly ironic yet fitting that the Star-Touched Elves for all their power fell into the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy trap.

They were so worried about the prediction that humans learning magic would lead to chaos that they killed a child for teaching them normal magic. But all that did was piss off her father enough for him to teach an actually dangerous form of magic that uses magical beings as fuel. Which of course all but guaranteed chaos.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1910: Jul 29th 2024 at 12:03:43 PM

I feel like the show is a lot Harsher in Hindsight due to the land issues regarding genocide that are in real world. The show wants to draw moral equivalence to the elves and humans but the humans are the ones who have been forced off their land into a desert that frequently suffers famine.

Viren thus comes off far less as an Evil Chancellor and more like a figure engaged in revolution.

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Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#1911: Jul 29th 2024 at 12:10:20 PM

It doesn't help that the third season has turned Viren into a "generic evil villain."

With humans who agreed to help him in monstrous Minions who are only there to be killed.

Yeah, people sworn to protect the human kingdoms are treated as inhuman mooks who exist only to die.

Edited by Luisdalas on Jul 29th 2024 at 12:16:46 PM

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1912: Jul 29th 2024 at 1:38:36 PM

Not really. The central point of the series is that having genuine grievances doesn't mean your not at risk of becoming the aggressor yourself.

Also the Human Kingdoms may have have been restricted to one side of the continent, but they weren't suppressed or forced to pay tributes, so the revolution comparison doesn't really work.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1913: Jul 29th 2024 at 2:15:45 PM

Some funny season 6 sketches someone made on Tumblr Spoilers.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1914: Jul 29th 2024 at 3:13:30 PM

Yeah the Western half of the continent wasn’t uninhabitable and the like, and in fact Luna exiling mankind to that came with the caveat that she also forced the elves and dragons there to migrate on the eastern half of the continent.

As a returning Moonshadow elf with her latest (human) husband showed the Elves were forced to destroy cultural sites and places of importance as part of this and were required to move to the other side of the continent, with only a small number left behind to keep a disaster from happening by using people exploiting those sites.

It’s also poignant that in the backstory it was Leoda being shown uniting humans, elves, and dragons together, and her death because of her own species of Elf and a single dragon broke the world she was striving to make cause she loved them.

I don’t think it’s for nothing we were introduced to Skywing Elves this season who wear blindfolds and have Seers who could be time-blind using their powers and are not because they live amongst their kin who don’t have those powers, and how the Startouch Elves that aren’t Aaravos and his daughter are shown to reside in the heavens completely divorced from any non-Star Lifeforms be it dragons, elves, or humans.

It’s also made clear that elves and dragons have all the issues humans do and have betrayed, tried to kill, torture, and harm both their own kind or magical creatures(like the pirate). Janais brother tried to genocide his own people using Sol Regem due to his self-righteousness this season no less!

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:20:20 AM

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DemonDamian Creating a new humanity Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#1915: Jul 29th 2024 at 6:20:48 PM

I've been hearing theories that Luna Tenebris may have been Sol Regem's mate, since both have their fate consistently called a "disappearance" in a show that averts Never Say "Die", and it makes sense why she was Queen of the Dragons after he stepped down without any sort of succession crisis, like how Zubeia is still acting Queen after Avizandum's death and not Zym's regent.

It sort of makes sense to me, but I'd prefer actual confirmation or shooting down of the theory, eventually.

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#1916: Jul 29th 2024 at 6:52:26 PM

Are we supposed to find Viren's wife totally unsympathetic?

She's a victim of domestic abuse, so i don't see how she's unsympathetic.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1917: Jul 30th 2024 at 9:31:58 AM

To pickup everyone's spirits, here's a fan made clip on Instagram of Season 1 Soren and Claudia.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1919: Jul 30th 2024 at 6:41:57 PM

She's a victim of domestic abuse, so i don't see how she's unsympathetic.

Abandoning your children with your domestic abuser was where my issues sprang up. But yes, I was stupid about that.

Yeah the Western half of the continent wasn’t uninhabitable and the like

I feel like that doesn't quite work given how often famine is shown to be a concern.

and in fact Luna exiling mankind to that came with the caveat that she also forced the elves and dragons there to migrate on the eastern half of the continent.

And that's just the Partition, which makes it a double war crime.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 30th 2024 at 6:43:33 AM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1920: Jul 30th 2024 at 6:48:59 PM

Famine is a current problem a thousand years later. Who knows how many magical creatures that were important to the ecosystem were carelessly sacrificed for parts in a millenia, Claudia canonically uses dark magic on minor things like making her cooking taste better, so all you need is one really careless mage and you’ve completely upended an ecosystem.

And Luna wasn’t really given a choice. The choice was outright genocide or ensuring humans survive and making an enemy of the elves and dragons at that time who WANTED a genocide by forcing them to migrate and abandon their own homes. It was a shitty choice made under shitty circumstances.

As has been consistently clear the Elves and Dragons are not some united unified force and it wouldn’t take much for them to go the war, and there’s no guarantee the victor won’t be the ones seeking genocide. We literally had a Viren wannabe amongst the Sunfire Elves attempt this very thing on his own people with Sol Regem just cause they supported his more progressive sister. Which failed solely due to Aaravos machinations.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 30th 2024 at 6:56:29 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1921: Jul 30th 2024 at 7:01:15 PM

It's a running theme that neither the magical side nor the non-magical side are unified fronts.

Edited by M84 on Jul 30th 2024 at 10:04:11 PM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1922: Jul 30th 2024 at 7:05:36 PM

She also wasn’t really in a position to take them either when their dad was in such a powerful position and would require saying WHY they broke up.

Considering Viren himself realized that sharing his story with Soren would only further hurt his son is why he chose to let it die with him, so it’s likely she didn’t want to tell their kids for the same reason.

[down] ah no problem.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 30th 2024 at 7:07:30 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1923: Jul 30th 2024 at 7:06:05 PM

Sorry, I edited that part out after realizing Charles already acknowledged that.

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1924: Aug 3rd 2024 at 4:34:27 AM

Just so we are all on the same page, Leola was most certainty autistic. Her being born with only one horn is the obvious visual metaphor, but she also displayed all the body language of a child on the spectrum.

Edited by Avenger09 on Aug 3rd 2024 at 12:35:27 PM

xyzt Since: Apr, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1925: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:53:55 AM

So is anti human bigotry pretty much divine doctrine in Xadia as their god equivalents, the startouched elves considered giving magic to humans to be a disrupting crime worthy of executing even a child of their own. It definitely makes Sol Regem's death well deserved given his role in all the mess.


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