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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Jun 10th 2019 at 6:42:19 AM

Yes, they were exiled. As far as we know, not by him. And he wanted them gone.

Edited by Resileafs on Jun 10th 2019 at 9:42:58 AM

Jun 10th 2019 at 6:45:23 AM

I'm pretty sure if he wanted them dead he would have just wiped them out, that's usually how genocidal rulers do things.

And what implications?

SpookyMask Insert title from Corner in round room Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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Jun 10th 2019 at 9:07:34 AM

I'm kinda happy I didn't have to point out the tyrant thing because I was honestly bit unsure of definition(and I also couldn't remember any mention of ordering dragon raids)

But yeah, is it really THAT common thing in western cartoons? I can't honestly think of that many of them

Time to change the style, for now
Jun 10th 2019 at 9:29:48 AM

I got the implication that the dragons sensed Azymondias's hatching (or at the very least, knew something weird had just happened in the human lands) and that one dragon went over to investigate.

Edited by Kaiseror on Jun 10th 2019 at 11:42:33 AM

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Jun 10th 2019 at 9:55:44 AM

Xadia has no idea that the egg was kidnapped. They believe that it has been destroyed. The dragon threatening and then destroying the village in Season 2 is there as part of the rising tensions following Thunder and Harrow's deaths.

lycropath Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Jun 10th 2019 at 10:20:51 AM

Also I am sure now that tge border is crossed we are going to start seeing more of the dragons and the elves dirty laundry anyway.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Jun 10th 2019 at 10:27:10 AM

If and when that happens I'll have a bit higher regard for the writing than I do now, for sure.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Jun 10th 2019 at 10:58:44 AM

And Soren attacked from said village when the dragon otherwise wasn't attacking until that point.

Jun 10th 2019 at 11:16:31 AM

[up]◊4 I said sensed, the dragons didn't start showing up till after the egg hatched, this is speculation but it might be possible for them to know when an egg has hatched as they are magical creatures.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Jun 10th 2019 at 11:35:26 AM

Still doesn't justify torching the village, presumably killing dozens of innocent civilians.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Jun 10th 2019 at 11:45:03 AM

[up][up]The story has taken place for, what, a week? Two? The dragon attack does not have to be related to the egg hatching with how little time has passed.

Jun 10th 2019 at 11:46:11 AM

Why else would dragons start flying over villages for seemingly no reason?

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Jun 10th 2019 at 11:47:31 AM

Because there are increasing tensions and there have been human incursions in Xadian territories?

Jun 10th 2019 at 11:48:10 AM

I will say that while I get the complaints, Beatman 1 does seem to be going too far in the other direction, and it hurts their otherwise understandable case.

Jun 10th 2019 at 12:10:17 PM

[up]All Iím asking for is some acknowledgment that what theyíre doing is wrong, and perhaps some views from their side that justify such an extreme response. It canít be a case of Take Our Word for It.

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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Jun 10th 2019 at 12:37:37 PM

Seconded.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Jun 10th 2019 at 12:44:24 PM

[up][up]If that was all you were saying it'd be fine, but you went beyond that, is my point.

Jun 10th 2019 at 1:18:19 PM

Soren ended up dragging the village into the fight by starting said battle. I agree the dragon's response of torching the village was wrong, but Soren's actions are what caused said situation to begin with.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Jun 10th 2019 at 1:31:44 PM

Do we really want to have this whole discussion again? The dragon was essentially a fully armed enemy combatant evidently capable and willing of do exactly what she did, torch the entire village and likely kill dozens if not hundreds of civilians, who was flying over the village for no apparent purpose other than intimidation or preparing to do just that. It's on Soren for escalating, but it's extremely disingenuous to act like the dragon was just minding her own business until she got unjustifiably attacked out of the blue.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
SpookyMask Insert title from Corner in round room Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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Jun 10th 2019 at 1:37:39 PM

We don't actually know what the dragon WAS doing there because she can't speak tongue So only thing we can argue based on what we know is that while torching wasn't most correct response, it IS Soren's fault for escalating it.

Time to change the style, for now
Jun 10th 2019 at 5:49:49 PM

This whole conversation reminds me of a scene from the film Thirteen Days, which is about the Cuban Missile Crises. President Kennedy has just ordered a blockade of Cuba, which is on its own an act of war so they call it a "Quarantine" in public to make it sound like they aren't escalating things. Later that night Kennedy muses to his advisers about how WWI began, how everyone was sure of victory because they were so certain they knew what the enemy would do and could predict their movements. Then things start going very wrong but the military men just didn't know what to do besides what they had already planned and kept pressing on until millions of people were dead.

Kennedy then compares it to their own situation. Where their own battle plans and emergency procedures for the Cuban Missile Crises seem inevitably to lead to increasing escalation and finally nuclear annihilation.

For those of you who can't watch, the main quote is this:

"Say one of their ships resists the inspection, and we shoot out its rudder and board. They shoot down one of our planes in response. So we bomb their anti-aircraft sites, and in response to that they attack Berlin! So we invade Cuba. And then they fire their missiles... and we fire ours."

The whole movie is essentially Kennedy and company trying to deal with this dilemma; finding the right response to Soviet escalations to their own escalations that doesn't wind up destroying the human race. Even if it means doing nothing when the Soviets shoot down an American plane.

I for one, can see why Viren would want to attack the elves and dragons. The natural response to escalation is escalation. And if they attack in full force now, they might be able to overwhelm the Xadia before they lose control of the situation. But I can also see why pretty much everyone else wants to avoid a destructive war. And what Viren is doing now is just plain wrong. It's like an army officer faking a Soviet commando raid on the White House to force Kennedy to go to war with the Soviet Union.

Edited by Parable on Jun 10th 2019 at 5:53:16 AM

Jun 10th 2019 at 6:13:41 PM

People also keep saying that Viren is trying to take back humanity's homeland but if you look through the series he's the only one who keeps saying that.

The exile happened a thousand years ago and humans have made a decent life for themselves on their side of the continent so I imagine the main reason he wants to get into Xadia is to get his hands on more powerful "ingredients".

Jun 10th 2019 at 6:57:47 PM

[up][up] Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say. It doesn't matter who is originally at fault. It's everyone's fault for escalating it.

[up] That too. I try to avoid talking too much about the dark magic due to the danger of Space Whale Aesop, but I suppose in this particular case it would be similar to how conquering countries tend to enslave the losing side and then profit from their forced labor.

Jul 11th 2019 at 5:46:45 PM

The official tumblr has been answering questions about what video games the characters would play. When The Sims was brought up, they said

Opeli for sure. She turns off autonomy and micro-manages every single one of her Sims.
Which further supports my interpretation that it's not supposed to be as simple as "Opeli right, Viren wrong"

Jul 11th 2019 at 5:57:30 PM

I mean we know for a fact she is 100% for following rules and customs. So her obsession with order will definitely be a problem later.

With Viren though he repeatedly broke those and some of his lies were uncovered in the very same scene like saying the Princes were dead, then they got informed they weren't and he got caught in the lie.


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