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Answers to Frequently Asked Questions
- Why did we do this? This update has been in development for over a year. It replaces a vast amount of messy code on the back-end, gives us a new modernized design, updates us to https, and creates a platform that we can more easily build on for future updates.
- Can we go back to the old design? This isn't happening. We'll make the new one work.
- Why are there so many bugs? As with any major overhaul, some problems will occur. The developers are working full-time on fixing stuff.
Frequently Reported Issues
This isn't everything, just the most common problems.Status Values
- Being logged in as someone else, sort of. [FIXED]
- Where'd the "Folders Open" toggle go? Not a bug, it's in your profile.
- Multiple issues with the new site search feature. [Logged]
- No sorting options.
- Forum poster search is gone. [FIXED]
- Can't search specifically by thread title, making results unhelpful.
- Pagination doesn't work correctly — the last page displays as if there were no search results.
- Line breaks don't work in some areas. (Ask The Tropers, Trope Launch Pad, forum previews) [Patched]
- ATT, TLP, forum previews fixed. Some more line breaking issues were identified and are being worked on.
- The Cut List does not work.
- Cannot approve or deny requests. [FIXED]
- Line breaks don't work. [FIXED]
- Cut request reasons don't appear. [FIXED]
- Additional cutlist issues noted here
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- Note, subscript, and superscript formatting are broken in various places. [FIXED]
- Night vision has significant readability problems. [Patched]
- Namespace index is broken. [Logged]
- Articles may become locked when edited, or when backing out of editing without clicking Cancel. Moderators can remove the locks but can't fix the underlying problem. [Patched]
- Remaining issue: the lock system still doesn't distinguish between an article that's locked and one that's checked out for editing.
- Edits won't save when "<" or ">" characters are present in the markup. [Patched]
- HTML detection was disabled for the time being. We're working on a more robust system.
- Edits won't save when the [norreallife] tag is present in the markup. [FIXED]
- Redirects are broken. [Patched]
- This is at least partially fixed. We need to know if there are any remaining problems.
- Indexing is broken. [In Progress]
- Images on wiki articles are rendered smaller than in the previous design. [Patched]
- Resizing images with [quoteright] tags is still broken.
- The "Following" list (formerly called the Watchlist) doesn't distinguish visually between viewed and unviewed articles. [In Progress]
- Custom titles are no longer appearing in all places where they should. [FIXED]
- In-line icons for Flame Bait, Trivia, and YMMV wicks are intended, but sometimes overlap preceding text. [Patched]
- Trivia icons should not appear in-line. (Design issue, logged)
- In second-level bullets, icons overlap preceding text. [Logged]
- The [invoked] tag no longer suppresses the aforementioned icons. [Logged]
- [quoteblock] markup causes everything inside to appear italic and squashed together. [FIXED]
- Line breaking for external links doesn't work correctly. [FIXED]
- Post numbering is no longer visible, although you can retrieve it from the hard-link. [Logged]
- "Delete all posts by user" mod feature now causes posts to be completely hidden instead of replaced with "Troll Post". [Logged]
- "Mark all as read" forum feature doesn't work. [Logged]
- "Save Draft" feature doesn't work as expected. [Logged]
- Forum post preview doesn't show all markup. [FIXED]
- Unread indicators on individual forums (topics.php) seem to have nothing to do with whether you actually have any unread posts. [Logged]
- Avatar upload is broken. [In Progress]
- Avatar galleries aren't formatted properly. [Logged]
- Crowners are broken. [Logged]
- Namespace configurator (mod tool) is missing some auto page type options, and the namespace locking feature doesn't work. [Logged]
Previously compiled lists of problems:
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Edited by Fighteer on Jul 13th 2018 at 3:56:59 PM
The table in Dueling Works/Games is borked when using a mobile browser, at least for Chrome and Samsung Internet on an Honor 8. Both the mobile and desktop version. Not sure if other pages with tables are also borked, though not unlikely.
EDIT: It's even more of a mess inside a subpage, where the lack of a spoiler causes the table to overflow past the edge. On both version, as well, although the mobile version is slightly less ugly.
Edited by Designer225 on Jul 28th 2018 at 1:18:24 AM
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
Okay, so this might be only a problem on my end, but it might not. When I hit "add post", I can start typing in the text box right away, but it's meaningless because the website refreshes the page when it finishes loading, deleting what I typed. All it amounts to is a little wasted effort and having to wait an extra half second before I can add a post, but this happens each and every time I try to add a post, and this little annoyance adds up over time.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 28th 2018 at 1:30:05 AM
The Wanderer
There's no Followed Threads button at the bottom of the page on mobile like with the desktop version.
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
Hi, Minni from the planet Chrome of the Windows 8 galaxy.
We still have that weird word wrapping thing that happens when you put in a ex-link but, otherwise, everything's cool.
Thanks for your time.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Sorry if any of these have already been reported, but profile problems:
- The Save button is gone. I thought the "Find More Tropes" buttom saved any changes to your profile you had made, but it doesn't seem to.
- Thus, I seem to be unable to save at least some profile changes, such as changing my relationship status.
- The field for the text below my avatar appears as blank in my profile, even though I have something there.
- Already reported, but I can't get "Folders Open" to save, even though "Show Spoilers" works. It's ridiculously easy to open the folders on a page, but still.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Not for me, I think.
Edited by Lymantria on Jul 29th 2018 at 2:09:12 PM
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!
Blapper of Water
The save button only shows up if you've made a change.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Just to provide another update, we expect the pace of bug fixes to go back up this upcoming week. Thank you all for your patience and for continuing to provide information and feedback.
So, if I see a page that is locked for no reason at all, do I report it here, Report from the Page, or what?
The page in question is Most Triumphant Example: S
Ketchum's corollary to Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced tactic is indistinguishable from blind luck.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
- Forced unlock, 'cause it wasn't actually.
Perpetually Confused
So one thing I noticed, the Pre-generated PM Preview show HTLM code in them.
What's weird though is that the sent message doesn't contain said html code.
For example, the Grammar one includes italic tags, and the one the target receives has no such italic text present despite the tags.
The use of HTML markups is also at odd with the wiki in general. There's also no reason the PM templates should display markup and not in their final readable form.
Edited by Ghilz on Jul 28th 2018 at 10:37:01 AM
I tried to recreate the add post/refresh problem, but it didn't happen to me...
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
The formatting issue in the Followed Threads page is still there, the timestamp still rolls over to two lines, even when it really shouldn't. The threads sometimes line up right one by one on my 3DS, but it's inconsistent and never on my laptop.
So I can now get the "mark all as read" function to work... if I select "no" on the initial pop-up (which just reads "Are you absolutely sure?") and try until I get the one that reads "This will mark all these threads as having been read. Is that what you want to do?", which works
This is a weird error
Siiiiiiiiiiiip
I just keep clicking the Mark All As Read icon till the good one pops up.
...It can be tedious. Hopefully it gets fixed soon, or at least the previous option comes back(where you only need to click Mark All As Read without a pop-up/confirmation done). I'm well aware it's low priority, as it's not that important and at least we still remotely have the option.
Somewhat venting, but that is a weird error, yeah. I've noticed that it seems to pop up slightly more often if I try clicking the literal Check Mark next to Mark All As Read. I don't know if it was meant to two different options next to each other or just a coincidence on my part, though.
...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.
It seems like the pace of bug reports is slowing down and many of them are already on the admins' to-do list anyway. I think that it will be soon time to retire this thread and direct all additional requests to Query Bugs and Query Wishlist.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Another display problem summary post. Also tell me if something has been fixed but I don't have it noted:
- Folders (progress has been made)
- The folder buttons could still stand being a little darker. A little more contrast won't hurt.
- I still believe the folder names should be centered like how they were in the previous version.
- I'd be happy with them being about the same size as the old ones, as well as the name centering.
- Can we have the older folders' blue and centeredness back? The current look is hard on the eyes and awkward-looking.
- Quote spacing
- Also, as an addendum to my statement about the Quotes, now I also notice that they suddenly start to take up way more space than they used to. This is especially an issue for wordier ones. From what I can tell, they have more than doubled the space they take. And that mostly seem to be due to just unused empty space between rows. While this isn't so much an issue on Quotes pages where there is enough space to go around, on Trope and Works pages it causes issues even for quotes that aren't even that long.
- Bullet spacing
- Image sizes. The original maximum size has been restored, but width settings in [quoteright] and [caption-width-right] markup don't work.
- Line breaks don't work properly in folders
- Weird alphabetization on related pages
- (mobile Chrome) the first few options on the main menu are gargantuan and take up about an eighth of the screen each
- The before and after boxes in History are way to near each other, some text I've seen also goes outside the box as well, they need to be expanded a bit.
- (Firefox) Using the find function (CTRL+F) on a page with folders will find text inside the folders even if they are closed, making it difficult to find anything.
- I also find the massive editing space unwieldy, as it requires scrolling through two spaces, with the editing bar getting in the way now that it's laying directly over where I'm trying to type.
- The last entry of a bulleted list has little spacing compared to the rest, while in the source code, there is a line break. I guess a second level heading (!!) has something to do with it. (Win 10/Chrome)
- The WMG Headings are now in plain text format (same size as the normal text, and no longer in bold) (Win 10/Chrome)
- On forum search results, the titles are way oversized, they could stand being a smaller font to make the search results a bit better searchable.
- The followed threads page has a lot of unnecessary white space, something that seems to be a general design feature now.
- Dunno if its been brought up before but some of the drop down selections, like opening the relationship status in the profile section, appear as a white box with pale pink text that's impossible to see. It makes it hard to select things. Same thing happens when a new post is first made.
- The blue highlight for a new post overrides mod hat red.
- Forums:
- Forum posts are no longer numbered.
- Post boxes should come back.
- Big forum badges create a lot of unnecessary white space under a short post (there aren't many people this applies to, even among the minority with badges, but still worth mentioning).
- I don't mind the new design (in some places, it doesn't look that different from the previous one) but some color choices are ugly. Gotta agree about that cold dark blue-grey.
- I don't like that YMMV pages have the exact same color scheme and font as the main page. Doesn't have to be huge, but having a slightly different header color or something would help to keep people confusing the two areas (which we definitely don't want).
- Also, can the Tearjerker pages back to a blue and a the YMMV pages back to yellow-orange?
- Edit window's too wide on mobile (using Safari on an iPhone 6). Since there's little side space, it's extremely difficult to scroll down the page to get to the edit reason box.
- Another minor design/color nitpick: Links are now blue on Nightmare Fuel pages. I can't say whether I dislike it because it's different from the old blood-red or if it kills the scary mood they're trying to convey (much like how hot pink doesn't go with Tear Jerker.)
- AC text (AC: text ]] ) is too large and messes with the formatting of many pages
- Outbound links with long display text break the bullet spacing. Depends on how long the text is in comparison to screen size.
- Some places here feel a bit cramped with the new design changes. Like the New Edits, list. Everything is just grouped so close together that it looks ugly.
- Can we have a note as to how the following page is not fit for purpose? The old watchlist had red dots that immediately caught your eye. The following page on the other hand is extremely ugly, too cluttered and too close together.
- I wouldn't mind the speech bubbles if they stood out a little more. The new design is a bit lacking in accessibility for the visually impaired.
- One thing I'm noticing is that there are small dot lines separating bullet points, but not every paragraph is separated. Take the YMMV for Hairspray as an example, with there being lines in between most paragraphs but not between Broken Base and Designated Hero
- Looking through some character pages, links to Trivia items have a ? box before them, even if they're not listed as a trope but just mentioned in the description of one. Plus, when this ? box appears inside a nested list, it receives "margin-left: -22px" and overlaps the text before it. (former is intended, latter is supposed to be fixed but still has problems)
- TLP entries are very tightly packed, making them hard to read. Suggesting something like: .comment-title { margin-bottom: 1em; } .footer { margin-top: 1em; padding: 9px; }
- When Left-Handed Sidebar is enabled, the top bar's "Follow TV Tropes" and "Page Actions" no longer line up with the content they're related to. Could they be coded to switch positions when this option is on?
- On the Followed Pages list, it could be made clearer which of the pages you're following have been recently updated. Currently, recently updated pages just show up as slightly darker than the default background, which—since the list already has an alternating dark-light background scheme—makes it a bit hard to tell at a glance which updated pages you haven't yet accessed.
- Visual bug: Spacing between folder and header still not fixed.
- Visual bug: Spacing between the ! header and text above/below isn't consistent, where some times the previous section's text would be right on top of the header, while other sections would be evenly spaced out.
- Change logs are all smushed together so there's no return lines, making it hard to read.
- I still haven’t seen any direct response to my concerns about the forum interface. Everything is still very crowded and unreadable on safari/mobile, from the cluttered forum listings to the weird avatar/username/post display in individual threads. Everything is smushed together and indistinguishable; avatars and usernames aren’t coherently aligned with the text of posts, and the posts themselves are aligned weird. Plus, the new page number display is really hard to see/not distinct. And the forum watchlist is still useless. Showing all threads but making updated ones bold is overwhelming and indistinguishable.
- A step back design flaw: the thread watchlist does not appear in mobile view. Also, NONE of the four display toggles can be changed in mobile view.
- I can't find the "cancel/back" button or the "image" button on my smartphone. Also, on the same phone, the text on the "edit" button appears on top on the icon, not next to it as on the other buttons.
- A few Night Mode issues I noticed (Chrome, Windows 10).
- The post box is unusable in Night Mode◊. Seriously, it's not.
- The highlighted posts are barely readable.
- Coloured text should probably have a transparent background, rather than a white background. The contrast is uncomfortable when on Night Mode.
- The post box is unusable in Night Mode
- It seems you can no longer edit your own posts on the discussion pages for works and tropes. Not to mention that typing in a quotation mark or an apostrophe will always leave behind a little "/" with it.
- Windows 10, Chrome; there are bullet points missing on TLP drafts. Specifically, it seems first level bullets aren't displaying, while second and third line bullets are fine.
- Putting a folder in a forum post creates a lot of unnecessary white space (see this post for an example)
- Looks like the headers for the YMMV tropes is back to a guy shrugging instead of a scale.
- Also, just noticed that the search icon is missing when on the front page on mobile. If I want to search something, I have to go to another page and use the search function there. Is it supposed to be like that? The previous design showed the search icon even on mobile.
- I can't figure out how to make the Invoked tag for in-universe YMMV tropes invisible. Am I doing something wrong, or is that a glitch?
- Can you at least fix the Thread Watch by having an option to sort the order posts are shown by having the most recently responded to watched posts appear on top and having the ones with no new responses appear on the bottom?
- I'm not a fan of how the TLP no longer tells you when a draft was last edited/commented on and by who. It's frustrating when a draft with an active discussion is at the top of the list because unless I remember how many comments were there last time I checked I have to look again to see if anything changed. Also, it's a bit annoying how the only difference between read and unread drafts is that the font is bold on unread drafts. I miss the "new" marker.
- My personal recommendation for the spacing is to add back the subtle gray dotted lines between examples (see random wayback machine page). The current spacing isn't terrible, but I still think that will help.
- Subtle vertical lines have been added instead of horizontal ones; opinions are mixed.
- Wiki discussion visual bug: The "Hide/Show Replies" button obscures part of the starting post.
- Minor visual bug, LG K10, Chrome. Titles on ATT overlap with the timestamp. Here's a screenshot where it's evident.
- Commented-out notes leave a space on the page. See here, between Every Episode Ending and Evil Is Petty (source for comparison).
- On a history page, the pencil icon on the Edit button doesn't change to a lock, but if you click it a popup claiming the page is under edit lock with the editor's name is shown as on the old site. Meanwhile, on the main page of a work/trope the lock icon will be present, but not the popup. Can we have it both ways on both main page and history? Lock icon with the popup? Windows 10 Home - Firefox 61.0 64-bit
- Another display issue: the Condensed Forums option only works for, well, the forums; I can replicate this both on my laptop (Win 10, Chrome 67) and my phone (Chrome for iOS, version 67). It doesn't do anything at all on Ask The Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know That Show, or TLP- avatars still show up in those spaces in full size. I have Condensed Forums turned on on my phone so that the avatars aren't taking up a bunch of horizontal space on my teeny-tiny iPhone 5S, and I'm pretty sure that the "Forum Gingerbread" option worked for those other sections of the site that displayed avatars.
- The little icon that showed (and linked) to TRS discussions on relevant pages is gone (example: Stock Shoujo Bullying Tactics). That was really useful, both for going back and forth between the page and relevant thread, and for raising awareness of the Repair Shop and potential problems with pages. This is what got me involved in the forums in the first place. Please bring this back!!! Firefox on a Mac.
- On that subject, it's a minor display problem that when a YMMV or Trivia trope is the first link, the icon doesn't cover up or replace the bullet, but appears under it. See, for example, this section of Timothy Zahn. (Firefox on OS X.) Edit: But it looks fine in Safari on iOS.
- Now that I'm at work, I can also report that it looks normal in Chrome on Windows 7 and Windows 10. It's either a Firefox or an OS X issue.
- Quote indents (FIXED!)
- Bullet indents (FIXED!)
- No spoiler toggle on the sidebar (FIXED!)
- Note tags are plain text (FIXED!)
- Subscript and superscript formatting (FIXED!)
- The arrows you press to navigate a thread only appear at the bottom of the page (previously they appeared at the top as well). (FIXED!)
- Indentation of numbered bullets is inconsistent with regular ones, and how much indentation there is seems to depend on a number of factors (FIXED!)
- (Firefox) Cursor disappears in text box for PMs and editing. (FIXED!)
- Another display issue found: when Night Vision is turned on, the white text and light bars for "Header" and "WMG" headings, as well as newly posted forum comments I've made, make them practically unreadable. (FIXED!)
- Check the Quotes tab, first level ("Songs") and second level ("English Vocals") headings have the exact same text formatting. (Granblue Fantasy, Win 10/Chrome) (FIXED!)
- For some reason, in here, the "open / close all folders" control appears in the middle of the page, just beside the sixth folder. (Win 10/Chrome) (FIXED!)
- No longer an edit button on the history tab. (FIXED!)
- A minor display issue: The new "This is a YMMV/Trivia entry" icons on the main page overlap the surrounding text. For that matter, I don't think the icons should be right in front of the pothole; they should replace the bullet point, as they did in the previous version. Looked nicer that way. (FIXED!)
- Forums:
- The number of the last page on a given forum thread no longer shows up. (FIXED!)
- The page select options are no longer at the top of the page as well as the bottom. (FIXED!)
- Quoteblocks:
- Quoteblocks are italicized, which serves no purpose except to make impossible to italicize quoted text. (FIXED!)
- Quoteblock text is too small and too close together. If anything with more than one line is highlighted, it immediately becomes unreadable. (FIXED!)
- Line breaks and indents don't work properly in quoteblocks. (FIXED!)
- Win 7, Firefox. Visual bug: The last folder of a section practically sits on top of the header in the next section, as in there's no spacing in between. (FIXED!)
- History entries don't display code in a monospace font - they have a "monospace-font" class applied, but no such class exists. (FIXED!)
- Three bullet indents seem to randomly indent more than they should (FIXED!)
- Visual bug: Just what the HECK happened to the images? Consistent size visually, yes, but not when the pixels are at different ranges. Now the taller pictures take up more space than usual. Also, that border/box still looks redundant/unnecessary. (Win 7, Firefox) (FIXED!)
- If you go to TLP Reform Statistics (look at page source too), you'll see that the colon indentation method is broken. If you use two colons at the start of a line, it's supposed to indent the line. More colons, a greater indent. But it looks like the indentation is like a line break no matter what. ("FIXED!')
- Quote indentation is broken again; quotes are indented one line less than the number of dashes. So two dashes (which is what is supposed to go under one bullet) is the same level as one bullet. Looks terrible. (FIXED!)
- The markup that used to decrease font size isn't working. See the first sentence on TLP Crash Rescue Tallies, which should be decreased by two sizes. The page loads the font as the smaller size and then resizes it half-a-second later to match the normal font size. (Desktop, Windows 10, Chrome) (FIXED!)
- Can't holler your own post. (FIXED!)
Anything else? And try to include your browser and OS. Especially if I have something labeled "fixed" but it's not fixed for you.
Has there been any progress on getting the Following page to visually distinguish between read and unread in a similar way to the Followed Threads page?
If there are more important things on the docket, then cool, it would just be nice to know that it was somewhere on the to-do list.
Thanks!
Still can't get the sidebar to go over to the left. I go to my profile it show's that's it already set to be on the left, despite that not being the case. I switch it off, then the sidebar goes to the left. I leave my profile, it's gone back to the right. Internet Explorer 11, on Windows 10.
Perpetually Confused
Why? Might as well keep the thread open so we can see what's getting fixed. Since Query bugs tend to just not get replied to, or just ignored.
Redmess
I agree, this thread is useful for listing fixes.
Optimism is a duty.
I did make a huge pass through Query Bugs to have all unresolved things put on the admins' to-do list. Having two lists of bugs one in the forum and one in Query Bugs to tend to is tedious.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Wanderer
Problems I've seen that haven't been fixed yet and aren't mentioned in the folder (Unless mentioned otherwise these are on Chrome running on Windows 10):
- There's no link to the thread watchlist at the bottom of pages on mobile. (Chrome, Android 8.0)
- Quote indentation is still slightly borked in terms of paragraph spacing. (Code for reference) Spacing seems to treat the first and second lines like it's all part of one paragraph when it didn't do that before.
- Some followed threads, such as the Doctor Who thread, don't show up on the followed thread list despite being marked as followed.
- Old TVT hyperlinks are linking to different posts than they're supposed to, either backwards or forwards, only seeming to link properly after July 14th.
Edited by rmctagg09 on Jul 29th 2018 at 3:06:23 PM
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
~High Crate the Following list now does show a difference — "unread" pages (also ordered by recent change)will flash when you open the Following, and are a slightly different background color. This color difference isn't always noticeable, but the flashing definitely is.
Edited by lakingsif on Jul 29th 2018 at 1:03:28 AM
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
Horny Devils is auto-locking, and there's a typo on the bit about what neomah do.
I've actually come to notice that it is only hyperlinks that are being treated as single words, not wicks or trope titles themselves.
(By the way, I'm using Google Chrome on Windows 7.)
Edited by SeaRover on Jul 27th 2018 at 5:43:16 AM