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We've just pushed a large overhaul public. Please report complaints, comments and concerns here. When reporting bugs, please make sure you include which browser(s) and platform(s) you have encountered the issue with.

Answers to Frequently Asked Questions

  • Why did we do this? This update has been in development for over a year. It replaces a vast amount of messy code on the back-end, gives us a new modernized design, updates us to https, and creates a platform that we can more easily build on for future updates.
  • Can we go back to the old design? This isn't happening. We'll make the new one work.
  • Why are there so many bugs? As with any major overhaul, some problems will occur. The developers are working full-time on fixing stuff.

Frequently Reported Issues

This isn't everything, just the most common problems.

Status Values 

    General Site Issues 
  • Being logged in as someone else, sort of. [FIXED]
  • Where'd the "Folders Open" toggle go? Not a bug, it's in your profile.
  • Multiple issues with the new site search feature. [Logged]
    • No sorting options.
    • Forum poster search is gone. [FIXED]
    • Can't search specifically by thread title, making results unhelpful.
    • Pagination doesn't work correctly — the last page displays as if there were no search results.
  • Line breaks don't work in some areas. (Ask The Tropers, Trope Launch Pad, forum previews) [Patched]
    • ATT, TLP, forum previews fixed. Some more line breaking issues were identified and are being worked on.
  • The Cut List does not work.
    • Cannot approve or deny requests. [FIXED]
    • Line breaks don't work. [FIXED]
    • Cut request reasons don't appear. [FIXED]
    • Additional cutlist issues noted here.
  • Note, subscript, and superscript formatting are broken in various places. [FIXED]
  • Night vision has significant readability problems. [Patched]
  • Namespace index is broken. [Logged]

    Wiki Issues 
  • Articles may become locked when edited, or when backing out of editing without clicking Cancel. Moderators can remove the locks but can't fix the underlying problem. [Patched]
    • Remaining issue: the lock system still doesn't distinguish between an article that's locked and one that's checked out for editing.
  • Edits won't save when "<" or ">" characters are present in the markup. [Patched]
    • HTML detection was disabled for the time being. We're working on a more robust system.
  • Edits won't save when the [norreallife] tag is present in the markup. [FIXED]
  • Redirects are broken. [Patched]
    • This is at least partially fixed. We need to know if there are any remaining problems.
  • Indexing is broken. [In Progress]
  • Images on wiki articles are rendered smaller than in the previous design. [Patched]
    • Resizing images with [quoteright] tags is still broken.
  • The "Following" list (formerly called the Watchlist) doesn't distinguish visually between viewed and unviewed articles. [In Progress]
  • Custom titles are no longer appearing in all places where they should. [FIXED]
  • In-line icons for Flame Bait, Trivia, and YMMV wicks are intended, but sometimes overlap preceding text. [Patched]
    • Trivia icons should not appear in-line. (Design issue, logged)
    • In second-level bullets, icons overlap preceding text. [Logged]
  • The [invoked] tag no longer suppresses the aforementioned icons. [Logged]

    Forum Issues 
  • [quoteblock] markup causes everything inside to appear italic and squashed together. [FIXED]
  • Line breaking for external links doesn't work correctly. [FIXED]
  • Post numbering is no longer visible, although you can retrieve it from the hard-link. [Logged]
  • "Delete all posts by user" mod feature now causes posts to be completely hidden instead of replaced with "Troll Post". [Logged]
  • "Mark all as read" forum feature doesn't work. [Logged]
  • "Save Draft" feature doesn't work as expected. [Logged]
  • Forum post preview doesn't show all markup. [FIXED]
  • Unread indicators on individual forums (topics.php) seem to have nothing to do with whether you actually have any unread posts. [Logged]

    Miscellaneous 
  • Avatar upload is broken. [In Progress]
  • Avatar galleries aren't formatted properly. [Logged]
  • Crowners are broken. [Logged]
  • Namespace configurator (mod tool) is missing some auto page type options, and the namespace locking feature doesn't work. [Logged]

Previously compiled lists of problems: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 13th 2018 at 3:56:59 PM

Merseyuser1 Since: Sep, 2011
#2826: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:14:00 AM

Threads are cut off when logged-in (reading them), have to switch to disable styles in Firefox.

Example: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15238831050A92340600

When not logged-in, no issue.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#2827: Jul 23rd 2018 at 5:46:07 AM

Can't the edit box have some sort of script that replaces quotation marks and apostrophes from Word with something this site can recognize? It's really inconvenient that you can't just copy paste from a Word document.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2828: Jul 23rd 2018 at 5:50:39 AM

Or you could use something other than Word to do offline editing. I use Notepad++. We can't possibly account for all of that.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2829: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:10:03 AM

Goin' through this thread to report some more bugs. Stopped on this post. Some comments:

  • ~Merseyuser1: That sounds more like an issue with the styles...
  • ~Midna, that needs some clarification.
  • ~Sci Fi Slasher, do you still have that threads-in-Google-search problem?
  • Title search function ... um it looks like ~Fighteer merged the task for it into a different task about the thread search in general.
  • TearJerker.Happy Feet was a pagetype issue which I've resolved myself.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they)
#2830: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:22:52 AM

@SeptimusHeap: Sometimes the site logo on the left side of the header loads normally as it should, and sometimes it doesn't. There doesn't seem to be any particular cause for it, it just happens sometimes. Not a critical error, but it's still annoying.

Still using Windows 10 with Firefox 61.0.1.

Edited by Midna on Jul 23rd 2018 at 8:24:36 AM

pearlina brainrot affects millions of people worldwide. if you or a loved one are suffering from pearlina brainrot, call 1-800-GAY-NERDS
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2831: Jul 23rd 2018 at 1:20:17 PM

~Sci Fi Slasher, do you still have that threads-in-Google-search problem?

It went back to normal about a day after I brought it up, and it was still running smoothly when I first got onto the site today, but when I came back several hours later this afternoon, it was back to loading really slowly for Media pages and saying "sorry this discussion id does not exist" for threads accessed through Google.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#2832: Jul 23rd 2018 at 5:04:39 PM

I wanted to add a post to the Star Trek thread. It's not on my followed thread list. I found the thread manually, without the search function which is still broken, and it says I'm already following the thread.

Also, when I go to live blogs, there aren't breaks between paragraphs, they just continue onto the next line making it hard to read.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jul 23rd 2018 at 7:39:18 AM

catmuto Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2833: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:28:04 AM

I'm not sure what it is, but YMMV pages still look really weird to me. Not only in terms of the design and colors, but also... is the spacing off? It feels like every trope on them is kind of... squished together. It's legible, but... off. (Opera, Win 7)

Minni128 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2834: Jul 24th 2018 at 6:42:41 AM

[up]

Minni from the Chrome broswer planet.

Frankly, I'd have to agree, the small line breaks betwixt entries (in terms of tropes and bullet points) does make things a tad hard to read, so I second that notion.

Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they)
#2835: Jul 24th 2018 at 6:56:06 AM

It seems like if I open a new tab from a tab that displays the logo, the new tab won't have the logo on it, but the old one still will.

pearlina brainrot affects millions of people worldwide. if you or a loved one are suffering from pearlina brainrot, call 1-800-GAY-NERDS
Gosicrystal Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#2836: Jul 24th 2018 at 6:59:39 AM

Both main work page tropes and YMMV entries seem equally spaced for me. Chrome, Windows 7.

Minni128 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2837: Jul 24th 2018 at 10:27:31 AM

Hiya there, Minni from planet Chrome, galaxy Windows 8.

just bugs me A couple of bugs I've found is that it's hard to click on a note in the spoiler, as doing that re-hides the spoiler (unless you click/tap on it three times) and the other one I've noticed is how the edit lock timer doesn't tick down like it normally does.

Thanks again for your time.

HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#2838: Jul 24th 2018 at 7:21:36 PM

I'm fairly sure this has been mentioned, but it's been a while. Line breaks in folders containing large amounts of text do not leave space between paragraphs. Compare No Cure for the Paladin Blues (screenshot) to its source code. Firefox on OS X.

Edit: Same behavior in Safari on iOS.

Edited by HeraldAlberich on Jul 24th 2018 at 10:48:16 AM

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#2839: Jul 25th 2018 at 1:20:21 AM

When I tried to post on Magnificent Bastard clean up thread, my early draft text is still there even when I already posted it and now creating a new post at a later point.

In other words, this editing box needs to clear out old saved drafts.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#2840: Jul 25th 2018 at 4:25:20 AM

I'm not seeing as many progress reports anymore. What's going on behind the scenes?

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
DanteVin The Time Has Come from Somewhere Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Singularity
#2841: Jul 25th 2018 at 9:39:17 AM

@Redmess

Now that you mention it, I also missed the Daily Progress Reports from the Mods. They give us the assurance that things are going smoothly and that bug-fixing is making a progress.

Which reminds me of another thing - It's almost a month now after the 1.8 overhaul went live...

With Great Power, Comes Great Motivation
naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#2842: Jul 25th 2018 at 9:48:45 AM

[up]Seconded.

What's the status on fixing crowners? Is there a workaround for the "can't hook a crowner or view hooked crowners" bug? This really affects the functionality of Image Pickin' and the Trope Repair Shop.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they)
#2843: Jul 25th 2018 at 2:45:40 PM

Just clicked onto another page and the logo disappeared. Clicked to add a post to this thread and it's back. It seems like it really is completely random as to where and when it'll happen.

pearlina brainrot affects millions of people worldwide. if you or a loved one are suffering from pearlina brainrot, call 1-800-GAY-NERDS
naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#2844: Jul 25th 2018 at 3:14:46 PM

just bugs me Bug report: I tried to change my vote on a crowner (linked from a TLP draft, not hooked to a thread). When I did, I got an "Insecure connection" warning from my browser, which I ignored. This tries to send me to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crown_vote_change.php , which doesn't load. Instead, I get an error with the following text:

The page isn't redirecting properly

An error occurred during a connection to tvtropes.org.

  • This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies.
If I navigate back to the crowner page, my vote is unchanged.

Firefox 61.0.1 on Mac OS 10.11.6. I do allow cookies, although I have Do Not Track enabled as well as Privacy Badger, an anti-tracking extension that blocks some cookies. However, I still get the error even if I disable Privacy Badger on the crowner page.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#2845: Jul 25th 2018 at 3:16:24 PM

Hi, folks. Working on getting some progress reports. The devs have taken some time to fix background mod tools that we very much needed.

They have also been working on issues that have been more complex in identifying and fixing, such as the straggling page locks.

Progress is still being made, but it's a bit less showy.

SeaRover (Long Runner)
#2847: Jul 26th 2018 at 7:44:15 AM

Not sure what to google to search for this, so I'm not sure if anyone's already brought this up, but this site seems to be treating wicks and hyperlinks as single words, giving them each a new line when only part of it could otherwise fit the rest of a given line.

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#2848: Jul 26th 2018 at 1:26:12 PM

I have posted about this several times but this hasn't been added either to the official bug list or Discar's list, presumably because Fighteer couldn't replicate it and it was assumed to be a problem on my end: backslashes next to quotes in discussion posts.

Reporting this an a discussion post not made by me:Larkmarn's discussion post here is full of the \" and \' artifacts. Can others see this? Not sure what their computer setup is but I am on the latest Firefox on Mac El Capitan. I also see the artifacts on Safari.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Hjortron18 Since: Jul, 2015
#2849: Jul 26th 2018 at 2:35:11 PM

[up]

Yeah, it also happens with me with both iOS and MacOS (Safari).

Edited by Hjortron18 on Jul 26th 2018 at 11:35:22 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2850: Jul 26th 2018 at 3:16:11 PM

The problem seems to apply only to new threads. It has been reported, but doesn't seem to be on the priority fix list.

Edit: Although Larkmarm's topic there shows it in both the OP and reply. I'm baffled honestly.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 26th 2018 at 6:16:11 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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