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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#176: Feb 19th 2023 at 1:45:20 AM

I think people are just trying to read Rick and Morty problems into this because it shares a writer, tbh.

I heard a ton of generic "it's just like Rick & Morty!" doomsaying before going to see the film, and was mildly irritated when I then actually watched the movie and found that it was mostly a bunch of bupkiss.

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#177: Feb 19th 2023 at 4:35:51 AM

[up] Council of Ricks meet the Council of Kang?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#178: Feb 19th 2023 at 7:41:23 AM

[up][up] Hey, what does the term "Bupkiss" stand for? I've heard it used on this site before, but I have no idea what it means.

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#179: Feb 19th 2023 at 7:46:35 AM

[up]In usual use it’s “nothing” by way of Yiddish as a Second Language.

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#180: Feb 19th 2023 at 7:50:36 AM

[up][up] BUPKIS in IP stands for Blank Until Pretty Kickass Image Suggested, but it's Fun with Acronyms. The word bupkis is a synonym for the word nothing.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on Feb 19th 2023 at 9:50:48 AM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#181: Feb 19th 2023 at 9:45:35 AM

So am I the only one not buying that this Kang is dead?

Either way the movie was fine. Cassie and Kang were the highlights to me.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 19th 2023 at 11:47:34 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#182: Feb 19th 2023 at 9:56:50 AM

Like I said, my guess is that he's also Victor Timely in Loki. Could be wrong, but I'm def sure this Kang survived.

After all, Kang will return.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 19th 2023 at 12:57:03 PM

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ZheToralf Floating Advice Reminder from somewhere in Germany Since: Dec, 2009
#183: Feb 20th 2023 at 1:00:29 AM

Honestly, it never occured to me that having Kang defeated in this movie might undermine his threat level for future movies. Before I read this thread, I didn#t even think about that.

It still doesn't bother me. For one, you have all the multiverse Kangs and also he could find a way to rebuild even bigger. Threat is not just how strong you can punch, but the resources you have available.

Thanos for example, while imposing on his own, would not have nearly been such a threat level without the stones.

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#184: Feb 20th 2023 at 1:01:22 AM

Heck, there's nothing stopping Kang from clawing his way back into power.

Assuming Victor Timely is Quantumania Kang, then I think that will be his story arc.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#185: Feb 20th 2023 at 1:47:33 AM

So I went to watch this movie after having carefully avoided trailers and any discussions about it to avoid spoilers. I only quickly checked the reviews before going to the theatre, and discovered that everybody seemed to hate it. Then I watched and... liked it? To the point I have no idea this time why people seem so riled up against this movie. I mean, I can understand a lot of the criticisms against Thor: Love and Thunder or The Eternals, but I really can't see what's wrong with this one. Sure, it is significantly Darker and Edgier than the previous Ant-Man movies, but given that I consider Ant-Man and the Wasp more of a comedy, this was not very hard to achieve. Also, it seems Marvel is now unable to write a movie or series without some multiversal threat (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever notwithstanding), but since this this is the theme of the current phases, this can hardly be held against them.

So I'm really curious to know what people did not like about this film. The critics I have read only give vague reasons such as "it's boring" or "it's ugly", which I simply don't agree with. I know I don't always agree with critics but at least most of the time I can understand their reasons, even if I don't share them. The one criticism I'd agree with is that They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character with MODOK, but, hey, multiverse, so maybe it's not the last time we've seen this character.

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#186: Feb 20th 2023 at 1:55:19 AM

One criticism that I can definitely sympathise with is that the film struggles a bit to get the right balance of light hearted Ant-Man adventure and also deadly serious Big Stakes MCU stuff.

I like Ant-Man exactly because it was always a bit lighter and smaller stakes than most, plus Scott himself is notable for being a goofy but nice dude and never really becomes a more typical action hero even after all his adventures. So him going up against Kang, the Biggest and most dangerous of Bads, played entirely seriously (but very well performed) feels... jarring.

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#187: Feb 20th 2023 at 2:03:42 AM

[up] The same could be said of Spiderman, although I agree the difference is less jarring as the transition was a bit more gradual. Then again, I rather like the fact that Endgame really had an impact on most heroes. You can't really be the same guy after finding yourself in the middle of a war against an alien army.

Edited by C105 on Feb 20th 2023 at 2:04:18 AM

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#188: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:44:47 AM

The movie definitely has some flaws. The biggest is the pacing in the beginning, especially the introduction of the freedom fighters which feels very rushed. Once Kang shows up though, I think the pacing issues disappear. Another is the Ass Pull of the ant cavalry overrunning Kang, although I personally had no problem with that.

The biggest problem I think is that people are getting sick of Marvel and Quantumania wasn't a 10/10, which is inflating the negative reactions. Five years ago, this movie would've scored very well.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on Feb 20th 2023 at 7:45:38 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#189: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:47:44 AM

Plus all those " MCU IS DEAD " doomsayers will get more attention and clicks with that kind of criticisms.

Even Honest Trailers are getting more blatantly negative against the MCU. I just know the upcoming trailer will be brutal against this one.

Franchise fatigue is setting in.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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#190: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:50:18 AM

Pushing back stuff is goid, but I fear the woke = broke crowd will only get louder and eventually right.

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#191: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:51:43 AM

[up]I don't know what you mean by "right" in this context, but even if both inclusiveness and unprofitability come to the MCU, that still would not be a causal relation.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#192: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:51:54 AM

I only quickly checked the reviews before going to the theatre, and discovered that everybody seemed to hate it. Then I watched and... liked it? To the point I have no idea this time why people seem so riled up against this movie.

Never trust or rely on reviews. You'll miss a lot of good movies that way.

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#193: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:53:12 AM

My add-on take is that early MCU entries were graded on a “wow, this cinematic universe thing is so fresh and cool” curve resulting in scores that were somewhat too high, but the charm has for sure worn off this phase resulting in a sharper-seeming critical downturn. There were definitely mid movies early on that were protected by the novelty of it all — But I think eg. Eternals is a better movie than Thor 2.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 20th 2023 at 7:54:58 AM

ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#194: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:53:34 AM

Conversely, seeing a movie just because it got good reviews may leave you bored.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#195: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:54:29 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Still remembering Midnight's edge's video on MOM ehh?

Trust me, those assholes are just not worth thinking about. You've seen how going down the alt-right rabbit hole make Midnight's edge unenjoyable.

But honestly, if the movies are getting bad, it won't be because of minorities or women being more prominent, but Disney's handling of the franchise.

Go woke go broke is just an intentional misreading of how Disney handles to fit that crowd's bias.

Because there will be all sorts of people who will click videos that "own the libs."

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 20th 2023 at 8:55:03 AM

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SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#196: Feb 20th 2023 at 6:03:59 AM

I wonder if when they introduce the council of Kangs that someone should explain the full threat of said council so that the casual viewer can understand the full implication of them.

Unnamed Person (but let's call him Bob)-You don't get it even if we beat them here and now, they will just keep coming back. The very existence of the multiverse, of time and space, leads to their rebirth. All it will take is one, One! Nathaniel Richards with a lust for power to lead to a hundred variants of Kang. Not that the fact matter, across infinite Timelines the Kangs have crushed an infinite number of heroic teams greater. I have seen it. So fight and lose because there is no scenario where the war is won and peace in our time. Still, if you prove me wrong, amazing.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#197: Feb 20th 2023 at 6:12:35 AM

So, I saw Quantumania yesterday. It was... pretty good, I think I'd say? But I'm surprised what my favorite part ended up being:

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#198: Feb 20th 2023 at 6:15:42 AM

You can tell he was enjoying himself in the role.

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#199: Feb 20th 2023 at 6:17:35 AM

Surprised they didn't use George like in the comics.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#200: Feb 20th 2023 at 6:26:47 AM

I wonder if Corey Stoll was ever on-set for this movie, or if they just filmed his face while he was in the recording booth.

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