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May 24th 2018 at 7:35:03 AM

Battlefield was for the most part inaccurate besides the first two games, but I think this might be what fanned the flames:

We treat history with great respect, as we did before with Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 1. We have set out to make a game that is believable with a level of authenticity that ensures we're still delivering an enjoyable and engaging experience.

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May 24th 2018 at 7:36:14 AM

There was so much shit getting thrown at on the screen that I couldn't tell what was happening half the time, then the HUD randomly appears despite the fact that this trailer is clearly cinematic and not in-game footage. Was like Fortnite mixed with Co D on crack.

And yes, the woman with the coathanger arm did make my eyes roll; I hope the people that cobbled this trailer together didn't expect people to take that seriously, there are just so many things that are silly with that (on top of everything else, like the warpaint). This wouldn't be a problem if the game presented itself as an alternate timeline WWII....but it's not. We're supposed to take this at face value.

SgtRicko from Guam, USA Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
May 24th 2018 at 8:46:54 AM

[up]The more I think about it, and the more I'm convinced this title would've worked better as a Bad Company Sequel set during WWII. The premise could be a simple one too; just have the squad from B Company (Marlowe, Haggard, Sweetwater and Sarge) sitting around a campfire, getting drunk and bullshitting to each other about their great-great grandparent's histories.

  • Haggard would be telling an utterly over-the-top tale involving his great-great one-eyed Scottish grandmother, who fought in the SAS and single-handedly obliterated an entire company of elite German Shock troops... somehow, during the same year, in both the North African Theater AND European Theater. Oh, and she brought bagpipes into battle with her. A potential game mechanic would be for her to signal her squad members around by playing the bagpipes with different tunes and pitches, or even blaring it at the highest tone possible to stun the Germans.
  • Sweetwater would be Mr. Technical, complaining about how everybody's stories are inaccurate, constantly making corrections, and pointing out how ridiculous Haggard's crap storytelling is. Why? Because poor Sweetwater has yet to have an ancestor with an interesting war story.
  • Sarge turns out to have a distant relative who was a part of the Tuskegee airmen. Obviously, this makes for a perfect mini air campaign, following their exploits in both Italy and France.
  • And so on and so forth, until they reach Marlowe, who apparently had the only genuinely authentic and creepy story... yet none of his squad believe him.

edited 24th May '18 5:21:20 PM by SgtRicko

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May 24th 2018 at 12:30:26 PM

[up]...that is like, basically exactly what it would take for me to seriously consider anything published by EAa Battlefield game again.

May 24th 2018 at 1:30:32 PM

About time a game uses this concept outside Call of Juarez: Gunslinger.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
May 24th 2018 at 1:39:43 PM

You know what really annoyed me about the trailer? The camera. Not only was it shaky as heck, it was also all over the place.

How am I supposed to make sense of a trailer if it doesn't let me properly look at sutf?

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TerminusEst from Finland
May 24th 2018 at 1:51:33 PM

I think the guy who made the BF 1 trailers left the company. Otherwise, just a trailer about multiplayer and player customization. No more, no less.

Could be that the only "authenticity" you get is in the story.

edited 24th May '18 1:54:09 PM by TerminusEst

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May 24th 2018 at 2:42:43 PM

That's the thing, it's pigeonholing in modern concepts of "inclusivity" and "diversity" into history, history that I might add is neither diverse, nor inclusive. It's pure unadulterated SJW crap historical revisionism.

Apparently women and nonwhites are a 1960's invention.

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May 24th 2018 at 3:01:14 PM

[up]They weren't, but women being frontline grunts of regular militaries instead of being in niche roles to stretch the manpower they did have as much as possible (most prominently the female Soviet snipers and pilots) isn't either. Nor was having the disabled fight on the front lines, except maybe out of absolute desperation in the final days of the war.

Real talk, the bigger takeaway from me was the katana and woad and giant spiky cricket bat. Are we sure this isn't a Hideo Kojima game? Are we sure this isn't the Boss and Cobra Unit prequel we'd wanted for years? At least the gameplay changes seem good, from what I hear.

edited 24th May '18 3:06:18 PM by SnakeGandhi

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May 24th 2018 at 3:47:30 PM

what

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May 24th 2018 at 5:08:35 PM

Basically, you're met with more scrunity when you say you want to be authentic when your game has not-so-accurate stuff. Battlefield 1 was largely grounded so it got with it just fine, but with V you have some clearly over the top elements, so you're better off dropping the pretense, wich they didn't.

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May 24th 2018 at 9:31:14 PM

That was Shit Happens: the Trailer. That was the new Call of Duty's train sequence where so much nonsense is happening that the only thing missing is Hitler flying by with his ass on fire.

Really, the only thing that matters is how they want to screw us with this one. Supposedly loot boxes are out...but are they really? Even for EA? Surely they've come up with worse over the last few months.

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May 24th 2018 at 10:07:49 PM

If we're lucky, we're going to see a bunch of premium skins for everything: guns, soldier classes, genders, vehicles, dog tags, etc. Honestly not that bad of a deal, especially since none of that has any impact on gameplay.

BUUUT... they may also add in stuff like exp or credit boosts (just like in Hardline or BF 4) to purchase with real-world cash. Again, not too bad, but it would mean some folks are gonna level up like crazy, real quick.

Now, if they decide to be dicks and go the premium vehicle/weapon route akin to World of Tanks or War Thunder... ok, now that might be a big problem.

edited 24th May '18 10:08:10 PM by SgtRicko

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May 25th 2018 at 3:43:10 AM

They weren't, but women being frontline grunts of regular militaries instead of being in niche roles to stretch the manpower they did have as much as possible (most prominently the female Soviet snipers and pilots) isn't either.

Except that the soviets had women in the infantry from the very beginning of the war, not as many as the men, but they were there. Lyudmila Pavlichenko (credited as one of the best snipers of all time) started in the Soviet's 25th Rifle infantry division.

Then there was Wanda Gertz, who commanded an all-female battalion during the war.

And as I previously mentioned, British Special Operations Executive sent female soldiers behind enemy lines to cause chaos.

Basically, saying that women never took part in the fighting is historically inaccurate.

edited 25th May '18 3:43:36 AM by PhoenixAct

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile
May 25th 2018 at 4:13:01 AM

[up] Thing is, there's legitimate criticism to be had with the actual character design in the trailer - but if I understand correctly, this was supposed to show off multiplayer customisation options.

The people whose complaint boils down to "THERE ARE WOMEN IN MY VIDYA" can go piss up a rope, though.

There is one thing I do wonder: Would this thing have been less of a shitstorm if they hadn't gone to Twitter immediately afterwards and claimed that they were "respectful to history"? Because I'm pretty sure this statement is kinda at odds with the trailer.

I mean, nobody asks you to be historically accurate - but don't try to bamboozle people when you are clearly not going for historical accuracy.tongue

edited 25th May '18 4:13:28 AM by DrunkenNordmann

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May 25th 2018 at 4:41:59 AM

[up]It's the people complaining about the presence of women that I'm responding to.

Right now I've got no problem with people complaining about other stuff.

"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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May 25th 2018 at 4:44:23 AM

The prosthetics back then were more cosmetic for people whom were maimed by bomb shrapnel and guns, not actually functionally comparable to an flesh and blood arms. This is likely alternate history. And yes there was female soldiers and have been for a long time. You just don't hear about them very much because they generally disguised themselves as men. The Russians did have a lot of female troops near this time though and they beat the sexism that was thrown at them.

I did quit the trailer for all the flashiness though. Very obviously scripted.

May 25th 2018 at 4:45:03 AM

I want accuracy in mah war games!

played previous games where one person can mow down an entire battalion and can tolerate having several bullets fired into him

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May 25th 2018 at 4:47:06 AM

Yeah, this is why I hate the FPS gaming community.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
May 25th 2018 at 5:04:06 AM

This is likely alternate history

Which wouldn't be a problem if they were up-front about it instead of claiming on Twitter that they're being "respectful to history" when they clearly aren't.

It's not the lack of historical accuracy I personally dislike, it's the attempt to bullshit people.

We treat history with great respect, as we did before with Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 1. We have set out to make a game that is believable with a level of authenticity that ensures we're still delivering an enjoyable and engaging experience.

edited 25th May '18 5:05:27 AM by DrunkenNordmann

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May 25th 2018 at 5:16:50 AM

Yeah that was exactly my point. Had they dopped the pretense and said "WW 2 is just window-dressing and we're doing our own thing" it wouldn't be met with this much scrunity. Granted, authenticity by itself in many games is window-dressing, but still. You're gonna be held up to it when you say that's what you're going for when you have a total whiplash of a trailer. I don't need to have played nothing but army simulators and Turn-Based Tactics to criticize that tweet.

By all means be an arcadey or over-the-top shooter with some window-dressing sprinkled in it for fun, but be honest about it.

edited 25th May '18 5:27:16 AM by UltraWanker

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May 25th 2018 at 5:30:38 AM

Just a note:

The trailer has received coming on 5 times the number of dislikes (presently over 200,000) in 2 days as the Battlefield One trailer ever got in 2 years (45k).

They really screwed up.

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May 25th 2018 at 5:34:13 AM

[up] It's too early to tell how much it will reflect the final product though.

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May 25th 2018 at 5:38:35 AM

If you're talking sales, probably nothing. It happened with COD multiple times.


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