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Battlefield was for the most part inaccurate besides the first two games, but I think this might be what fanned the flames:
There was so much shit getting thrown at on the screen that I couldn't tell what was happening half the time, then the HUD randomly appears despite the fact that this trailer is clearly cinematic and not in-game footage. Was like Fortnite mixed with Co D on crack.
And yes, the woman with the coathanger arm did make my eyes roll; I hope the people that cobbled this trailer together didn't expect people to take that seriously, there are just so many things that are silly with that (on top of everything else, like the warpaint). This wouldn't be a problem if the game presented itself as an alternate timeline WWII....but it's not. We're supposed to take this at face value.
The more I think about it, and the more I'm convinced this title would've worked better as a Bad Company Sequel set during WWII. The premise could be a simple one too; just have the squad from B Company (Marlowe, Haggard, Sweetwater and Sarge) sitting around a campfire, getting drunk and bullshitting to each other about their great-great grandparent's histories.
edited 24th May '18 5:21:20 PM by SgtRicko
...that is like, basically exactly what it would take for me to seriously consider anything published by EAa Battlefield game again.
About time a game uses this concept outside Call of Juarez: Gunslinger.
You know what really annoyed me about the trailer? The camera. Not only was it shaky as heck, it was also all over the place.
How am I supposed to make sense of a trailer if it doesn't let me properly look at sutf?
I think the guy who made the BF 1 trailers left the company. Otherwise, just a trailer about multiplayer and player customization. No more, no less.
Could be that the only "authenticity" you get is in the story.
edited 24th May '18 1:54:09 PM by TerminusEst
Apparently women and nonwhites are a 1960's invention.
They weren't, but women being frontline grunts of regular militaries instead of being in niche roles to stretch the manpower they did have as much as possible (most prominently the female Soviet snipers and pilots) isn't either. Nor was having the disabled fight on the front lines, except maybe out of absolute desperation in the final days of the war.
Real talk, the bigger takeaway from me was the katana and woad and giant spiky cricket bat. Are we sure this isn't a Hideo Kojima game? Are we sure this isn't the Boss and Cobra Unit prequel we'd wanted for years?
At least the gameplay changes seem good, from what I hear.
edited 24th May '18 3:06:18 PM by SnakeGandhi
Basically, you're met with more scrunity when you say you want to be authentic when your game has not-so-accurate stuff. Battlefield 1 was largely grounded so it got with it just fine, but with V you have some clearly over the top elements, so you're better off dropping the pretense, wich they didn't.
That was Shit Happens: the Trailer. That was the new Call of Duty's train sequence where so much nonsense is happening that the only thing missing is Hitler flying by with his ass on fire.
Really, the only thing that matters is how they want to screw us with this one. Supposedly loot boxes are out...but are they really? Even for EA? Surely they've come up with worse over the last few months.
If we're lucky, we're going to see a bunch of premium skins for everything: guns, soldier classes, genders, vehicles, dog tags, etc. Honestly not that bad of a deal, especially since none of that has any impact on gameplay.
BUUUT... they may also add in stuff like exp or credit boosts (just like in Hardline or BF 4) to purchase with real-world cash. Again, not too bad, but it would mean some folks are gonna level up like crazy, real quick.
Now, if they decide to be dicks and go the premium vehicle/weapon route akin to World of Tanks or War Thunder... ok, now that might be a big problem.
edited 24th May '18 10:08:10 PM by SgtRicko
Except that the soviets had women in the infantry from the very beginning of the war, not as many as the men, but they were there. Lyudmila Pavlichenko (credited as one of the best snipers of all time) started in the Soviet's 25th Rifle infantry division.
Then there was Wanda Gertz, who commanded an all-female battalion during the war.
And as I previously mentioned, British Special Operations Executive sent female soldiers behind enemy lines to cause chaos.
Basically, saying that women never took part in the fighting is historically inaccurate.
edited 25th May '18 3:43:36 AM by PhoenixAct
Thing is, there's legitimate criticism to be had with the actual character design in the trailer - but if I understand correctly, this was supposed to show off multiplayer customisation options.
The people whose complaint boils down to "THERE ARE WOMEN IN MY VIDYA" can go piss up a rope, though.
There is one thing I do wonder: Would this thing have been less of a shitstorm if they hadn't gone to Twitter immediately afterwards and claimed that they were "respectful to history"? Because I'm pretty sure this statement is kinda at odds with the trailer.
I mean, nobody asks you to be historically accurate - but don't try to bamboozle people when you are clearly not going for historical accuracy.
edited 25th May '18 4:13:28 AM by DrunkenNordmann
It's the people complaining about the presence of women that I'm responding to.
Right now I've got no problem with people complaining about other stuff.
The prosthetics back then were more cosmetic for people whom were maimed by bomb shrapnel and guns, not actually functionally comparable to an flesh and blood arms. This is likely alternate history. And yes there was female soldiers and have been for a long time. You just don't hear about them very much because they generally disguised themselves as men. The Russians did have a lot of female troops near this time though and they beat the sexism that was thrown at them.
I did quit the trailer for all the flashiness though. Very obviously scripted.
I want accuracy in mah war games!
played previous games where one person can mow down an entire battalion and can tolerate having several bullets fired into him
Yeah, this is why I hate the FPS gaming community.
Which wouldn't be a problem if they were up-front about it instead of claiming on Twitter that they're being "respectful to history" when they clearly aren't.
It's not the lack of historical accuracy I personally dislike, it's the attempt to bullshit people.
edited 25th May '18 5:05:27 AM by DrunkenNordmann
Yeah that was exactly my point. Had they dopped the pretense and said "WW 2 is just window-dressing and we're doing our own thing" it wouldn't be met with this much scrunity. Granted, authenticity by itself in many games is window-dressing, but still. You're gonna be held up to it when you say that's what you're going for when you have a total whiplash of a trailer. I don't need to have played nothing but army simulators and Turn-Based Tactics to criticize that tweet.
By all means be an arcadey or over-the-top shooter with some window-dressing sprinkled in it for fun, but be honest about it.
edited 25th May '18 5:27:16 AM by UltraWanker
Just a note:
The trailer has received coming on 5 times the number of dislikes (presently over 200,000) in 2 days as the Battlefield One trailer ever got in 2 years (45k).
They really screwed up.
It's too early to tell how much it will reflect the final product though.
If you're talking sales, probably nothing. It happened with COD multiple times.
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