During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
- Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.
- What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below is a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
- Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
- Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
- Must not be too detestable: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
- Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
- Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.
- What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.
- Do we list Playing With this trope?: No; as a YMMV trope, this cannot be Played With, so we only want examples that are Played Straight.
- What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
- Begin by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
- Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavor of how they operate to explain this;
- List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
- The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.
- How do you know when the character's arc is done so they can be proposed? When their tenure as a villain or antagonist finishes. This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer.
- What about candidates evil because of external sources? Those Made of Evil can qualify if they show enough individuality and tactical acumen — in other words, they have the personality to fulfill the magnificence requirement. Conversely, those brainwashed, especially if they're a better person without it, may fail the individuality aspect and cannot count.
- What if they are under orders from a higher-up? Depends. If the boss created the plans down to the letter and the candidate is just following them, sounds like we should discuss the boss instead. However, if the candidate takes creative liberties with the orders, adds their own charm and flair to them, fills in holes in the orders, and/or actively deals with obstacles their boss did not talk about, the candidate shows enough individual thinking to qualify.
- What about Character Development? An MB is something a character can develop into... a nice person who plots well might become more morally gray as the work goes on and hits the "Bastard" criteria, thus making them viable. Likewise, a Smug Snake might shed their ego, become more understanding of the threat others pose and gain the personality or "Magnificent" criteria, likewise making them viable. Conversely, a character who looks like this trope might suffer from a Sanity Slippage or just get outed as not being as smart as they thought they were and become incompatible with MB.
- Can an MB be a good guy? Not in the conventional sense... it is required they have at least some dubious traits lest they fail the "Bastard" criteria. That being said, a character who pulls a Heel–Face Turn or eventually stops taking villainous actions is still fair game: as there was a point in time where they were both "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and they've merely adapted as time goes on. Now... if such a character begins showing other issues (i.e.: becomes prone to freak outs or starts getting outwitted) then they're compromising their Magnificence and will probably be deemed a cut. What's important is stylishly operating while at least for some time being willing to take at best underhanded methods to see a job done. A Heel–Face Turn in itself isn't a disqualifier but they do have to have been "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and afterwards can't start slipping on the former front.
- What about characters whose stories can take different routes?: When proposing a character in a form of media that has them in multiple story routes. Said character must be consistent with their characteristics in all routes. (ex.: Can't have an example who shows promise on one route yet fails in another.) The only exception is if a later installment of the series confirms the character's actions which made them worth proposing are the canon route.
- Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American air date). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.
- What about groups like with Complete Monster?: This is a point of divergence between the two tropes. While CM does not allow for a single entry encompassing more than three characters lest their heinousness for crimes becomes too watered down, with MB as long as they are treated as one "unit" it is acceptable to lump all characters provided they share acts of charm and intelligence.
- Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.
- My example/edit has been approved, but the example subpage is locked! How do I get it added?: The moderators do not add examples to locked example subpages in the MagnificentBastard/ namespace directly. Rather, you need to do the edit to a sandbox page that follows the format Sandbox.MagnificentBastard<Name of the example subpage> (e.g for MagnificentBastard.Fullmetal Alchemist it's Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Fullmetal Alchemist) and on a Friday, ask in the locked pages edit requests thread
for the content to be swapped in.
Thread rules
When voting a troper must specify the effort post they're voting on and cannot merely vote on "Everything I missed" as in the past it has indicated the poster didn't read the effort post and is guessing instead of analyzing.
Resolved items
In general, a character listed on this trope is considered "settled". This means they should not be challenged unless information used to list them was incorrect or information was missed in the initial discussion.
However, when re-litigating a candidate, the same rules apply for when they were originally proposed. If they do not have five or more upvotes than downvotes for approval upon a re-litigation, including votes from the initial discussion if they do not change, then they are a cut.
This especially applies to the characters listed below, who have been discussed excessively and repeated attempts to get them listed/cut may result in punitive action for bogging down the thread.
Definitely an MB
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers: Any sadism Darkrai displays is limited in effect thanks to the game's nature and any cowardice which can be inferred about him is Alternative Character Interpretation about his tactical retreats.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender: Azula's Villainous Breakdown is undone in the sequel comic Smoke & Shadow where she regains her composure and ends up stable and in control enough to count.
Definitely not an MB
- South Park: The show's frequent use of vulgar comedy and mean-spirited humor leaves any potential candidates devoid of the dignity or charm to qualify.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:15:22 AM
After rereading some Judge Dredd works i decided to give this a shot
What's the Work?
Dredd is a 2012 movie based on Judge Dredd franchise, which set in the future after nuclear apocalypse (as is the most of the franchise), the film follows the titular Judge Dredd and his assigned rookie Anderson, as they investigate the multiple homocide and get into the conflict with Ma-Ma's clan. Now, the movie had a bunch of sequels in form of comics, which were printed on Judge Dredd Megazine. Overall there was five arcs, with the final ending on Dredd trapped in the Dead dimension, after battle with Judge Death. While the villains of nearly all of the arcs are either too smug or vile, there is one i want to talk about, the character who was a minor character in the movie itself
Enter Clan Techie.
Who is Clan Techie?
Appearing in the movie as a slave to Ma-Ma, who appeared weak and cowardly and was forced to assist Ma-Ma in her schemes and attempts to wipe out Dredd and Anderson, before he was freed by them and run away, Techie reappers in 3 part comic arc "Furies", where he took
the name Bill Huxley, created
a family and started working
in Robot Maintenance facility. There he was tracked down
by Erinyes Crew, a gang of punk women, who wanted to use him for a heist. After he was contacted by them and they give
him a way to tell them when he will be ready, he got in the middle of Dredd chasing
down a criminal, who took him hostage, but Dredd kills
that criminal and forces
Techie to stay, as he searched across all database for anything "unclean" (as he says "Nobody stays clean"), before he let him go, which caused
him to be late to work and be fired for it. Unable to tell his wife about it, Techie accepted
a job from Erinyes Crew.
He efforetlessly
opens
them a way into the giant Penthouse, where they planned to steal a Pearl, leading to them killing
the guards (something he didn't care about) and he was brought into the Penthouse to open them a door to a room, which holded a Pearl, which revealed
to be a little girl. As he finds out
, Pearl is the name of the girl, whose parents are very rich and Erinyes Crew planned to steal her and force her parents to pay for her return. Techie offered to carry her, only
for the Judges to arrive and they were forced to go into
the "Jungle part"
of the Penthouse, where Techie hidden himself and wanted
to let the girl go to the Judges. Unfortunately he was found out by Erinyes Crew, who knocked
him down and dragged him with them to the sewers, as one of them was killed by Dredd.
As Judges follow
them, Techie started to get the situation into his control, creating
a navigation module and convincing
the remaining Erinyes Crew to allow him to lead them out of the sewers. As he does so, they attempt
to get rid of him, only for him to activate
the robots nearby and have them rise from the wastes and attack Erinyes Crew, allowing him to escape and have the Erinyes Crew be pinned down
by the Judges, as they find them due to gunfire. He carries
Pearl into an office in the construction site and leaves her there to be found by people, before he stumbles upon a Judge, where he manages to come up with the convincing lie to pass himself as an innocent civilian and lead Judges to discover Pearl to bring her back to her parents, after which he texts
to Erinyes Crew that he stole all their money and left already. As now powerless Erinyes Crew gets killed
by Judges and Dredd discovers about Techie involment too late, Techie stands now
with his newfound power, money and connections (from hacking and stealing all bank accounts of Erinyes Crew), intending to take care of his family from afar and pay for his son's treatment, saying that it doesn't matter that his money are not clean "Nothing in Mega City One was".
How's he operate?
I admit, in the movie he is a helpless victim of Ma-Ma, who was forced into crime and screamed when Judges found him, in comics though, he manages to become smarter and more cunning with each issue, while starting off as someone, who followed by a bad luck and unfortunes, in second issue he efforetlessly allows Erinyes Crew to infiltrate the Penthouse perfectly, with the last issue he efforetlessly manipulates Erinyes Crew, effectively lies to the Judge, and easily takes all whealth and connections of Erinyes Crew, while avoiding detection of the Judges (who now searching for him). So, i sorta argue that he "grows" into an MB and considering his circumstances, situation and his lack of strenght and combat skills, he leaves out of the plot with as much dignity as he can, never begging for mercy nor outplayed in the end.
Is he a bastard? Too much?
Okay, while he comes off as a good dude for Dredd's world, he still was willing to allow Erinyes Crew to rob the Penthouse and didn't care and give them the access to murder the people, who guarded the place. Also, he still ended up as an outlaw, who intended to live a life of crime to support his family with his "unclean" money. That said, he loves his family and detest murder, while immideatly deciding to abandon Erinyes Crew's scheme, when he found out that they wanted to kidnap and harm a child.
Conclusion?
What do you think?
Hmm... that's interesting, it's only in his final moments on panel where he's really in control enough to count but I'd argue it's nevertheless solid enough character development given his connections and resources are born of his hacking skills. Leaning yeah here on a character I never thought I'd see brought up here.
I'll give a 'Yes' to Clan Techie, great find, Vile!
Alrighty, to go ahead and knock this one out and decide if he's a Keep or not....
What's the work?
Spider-Man 2 is the immensely successful, well-received second installment in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, featuring the likes of Tobey Maguire, James Franco, Willem Dafoe and more in roles small and large.
In this flick, Spider-Man/Peter Parker has his usual personal problems going on, notably turmoil over the love of his life Mary Jane Watson getting married to someone else, and all of it ends up manifesting in his Spider powers going on the fritz and failing him. Terrible for time it, too, given the arrival of a new villain in town...
Who is Dr. Otto "Ock" Octavius? What makes him a candidate?
Dr. Otto Octavius, played by the ever-charming Alfred Molina, is an ingenious scientist dedicated to cracking the secret of the power of nuclear fusion, nearing completion of a machine that is capable of harnessing such power and creating a renewable, everlasting energy source.
Introduced to Peter Parker by his research's sponsor, Harry Osborn, Octavius at first is dismissive of Peter, noting that his old pal Curt Connors has referred to Peter as "Brilliant but Lazy," something Octavius finds utterly shameful. "Intelligence is not a privilege, it's a gift," Octavius tells Peter, however when Peter shows genuine interest in the fusion containment machine, Octavius happily spends hours chatting with the younger man alongside Otto's beloved wife Rosie, with Octavius even giving Peter advice on his buried love for Mary Jane.
At a demonstration for the fusion machine, Octavius dons a waistband with four large, metal tentacles attached, stating that he designed these to be able to handle and contain the nuclear fusion and better, and an inhibitor chip installed prevents the AI powering the tentacles to interfere with his own brainwaves.
Though the experiment at first proceeds well, something goes wrong and it begins going haywire, attracting all things metal to the ball of fusion in the middle of the machine and vaporizing them. Though trying to keep the audience calm, Octavius attacks Spider-Man when he arrives and tries to shut the machine down, but is distracted and horrified when Rosie ends up killed by a wall of glass shattering and flying into her due to the machine.
As Spidey unplugs the machine, it releases another wave of energy that fries into Octavius and knocks him out, simultaneously destroying the inhibitor chip.
Awakening later in the hospital after his tentacles—now fused to him—have massacred a lab staff trying to remove them, Octavius is mortified and flees to an old, abandoned warehouse, where he begins contemplating killing himself and his tentacles with him. However...the inhibitor chips gone, his tentacles begin speaking to him, coaxing him into continuing his experiment for the good of mankind. Though at first resistant, as he would have to resort to crime to obtain the funds for the construction of a newer, better fusion machine, Octavius ultimately proclaims "The real crime would be not to finish what we started".
Breaking into a bank vault and thrashing his way through security, Octavius—dubbed now "Doctor Octopus/Doc Ock"—quickly notices Spider-Man sneaking up on him and begins dueling the hero, using his surroundings, from bags of gold coins to car doors—to duel the hero until cops arrive on the scene. Quickly grabbing a nearby elderly woman—who just so happens to Spider-Man's Aunt May—as a hostage, Ock flees from the police up the side of a building, but is confronted again by Spider-Man.
Dropping Aunt May ("Butterfingers!") to distract Spider-Man as he saves her, Ock attacks him from behind and they continue their duel until Ock throws him across the street into another building. Ock grabs Aunt May once more and taunts Spider-Man that her death will be on the hero's conscience to goad him into leaping towards Ock across the buildings...as Ock reveals he has a hidden blade in one of his tentacles, and is ready to impale Spidey on it as soon as he reaches Ock.
Luckily, Aunt May being a total badass enables her to smash Ock's face with her umbrella, throwing his aim offpoint and letting Spidey dodge. Dropping Aunt May once more, Ock escapes as Spider-Man jumps to save her.
Eventually finishing his machine—coolly having his tentacles light him a cigar during its construction—Ock realizes he still needs the final, powering material, Tritium, which was supplied by Harry Osborn. Arriving at Osborn's apartment and swiping his beverage to sip from a tentacle, Ock requests more Tritium, dangling Harry off the side of the building when he responds by calling Ock a "hack".
Ock ends up striking a deal with Harry...bring Harry Spider-Man, alive, in exchange for more Tritium than ever before. Learning from Harry that Peter Parker takes pictures of Spider-Man, Ock quickly tracks down Peter having brunch with Mary Jane, and proceeds to kidnap Mary Jane, ordering Peter to find Spider-Man as he always does for pictures, and tell him to meet Ock at a clock tower at a set time, or MJ dies.
As Spidey arrives at the location, Ock duels him once more, their fight bringing them to a moving city train. Grabbing two hostages from the train and flinging them off to distract Spider-Man and test his desire to save innocents, Ock quickly moves to the front of the train, speeds it to max movement, and destroys the control panel, snarking "You have a train to catch!" before leaping off.
Spider-Man puts up the fight of his life to stop the train before it barrels off the tracks and kills everyone onboard, and manages to barely succeed, reduced to a exhausted, barely conscious mess. Ock proceeds to reveal he has been following the train and simply waiting until Spider-Man had worn himself out, and forces his way through the crowd of traingoers trying to protect the hero to capture him.
Once the deal with Harry goes smoothly, Ock completes his new fusion machine...when the hostage Mary Jane demands she be let go, Ock just notes that she'd bring the police and continues. Smirking when he once more realizes Spider-Man has snuck on-scene, Ock attacks him while he's trying to help MJ, boasting that his experiment has already been activated and can't be stopped.
Though Spider-Man seemingly beats Ock, when he helps MJ out of her restraints Ock attacks him from behind with a lead pipe and continues thrashing him. MJ sneaks up on Ock and tries to hit him with the same pipe, but Ock casually slaps her away with his tentacles, and has Spidey on the ropes until the hero grabs the power cords of the fusion reactor and shields himself with them when Ock tries to stab him, which sends electricity coursing through Ock and defeats him.
As Spidey realizes the machine isn't stopping even while unplugged, he approaches Ock and unmasks himself as Peter Parker, earning a smirk from Ock who notes once more "Brilliant but lazy," and though at first vehemently against the idea of turning the machine off, as it's his "dream" and life's work, Ock is convinced by Spider-Man that he needs to do the right thing and overcome his corrupting tentacles.
Ock, through sheer force of will shutting out the tentacles' protests to stopping the machine, tells Spider-Man that the only way to stop the machine is to drown it in the river beneath them. Stopping Spider-Man from trying it himself, Ock calmly states "I'll do it" and begins tearing down the supports, remarking with his last words "I will not die a monster" as the machine collapses and falls into the river...with the final shot of Ock being him slowly sinking to the bottom with the machine, even holding onto the machinery with one of his tentacles to drag himself down.
Is Ock magnificent?
Ock is considered one of the best comic book movie villains of all time for a reason. He's genuinely charming and kind before the accident, and keeps up a Faux Affably Evil attitude throughout the film, being an absolute joy to watch for his badassery, Large Ham boasts and zingers, and impressive wits.
Though lacking in traditional "masterminding" skills, Ock nonetheless is a quick-thinking and manipulative cephalopod. He uses Aunt May as a hostage to throw off Spidey and the police to pull off his bank robbery, develops an entirely new fusion machine all by his lonesome with his tentacles, makes a deal with Harry, uses MJ to force Peter to contact Spider-Man for a fight, exhausts Spidey with hostages and a runaway train during said fight then captures him, and completely succeeds in starting the fusion machine again, only stopping it thanks to a Heel–Face Turn.
Now, Ock's tentacles are obviously acting as The Corrupter to him and pushing him towards finishing his experiment, playing on his ego and grief to inspire him to restart the experiment, but I don't think there's an argument to be made that they're outright controlling and puppeteering Ock, tbh...they communicate with him mentally in ways the audience can't hear, but Ock isn't mindlessly agreeing with everything they're saying, nor has he become some form of zombie being used.
He genuinely back-and-forths with them in one scene, then spends the rest of the movie acting completely on his own, never showing duress or conflict with the tentacles and even using them for more personable, petty uses like lighting himself a cigar or swiping Harry's drink to sip, and at the end, he ultimately overcomes the tentacles when they try to refuse his orders to help Spider-Man drown the nuclear machine.
Ock loses himself in his villainy a bit, and Spider-Man remarks "you've allowed these things to twist you into something you're not", but in a trilogy of films that is very obvious and unsubtle with its "alterego controlling the victim" schtick, from Green Goblin to the Venom symbiote, Ock shows complete opposite personality features to, say, Goblin, retaining his true personality and snarkiness the whole way through the film, and ultimately overcoming his corrupting tentacles to save the day.
I think this is a case where it's fine that he's being corrupted and made to be less moral, as Ock is still onboard and happy to follow through for his "dream", and pulls off everything with his own ingenuity, and it isn't until he realizes the consequences of his crimes in full that he decides it isn't worth it and sacrifices himself.
Is Ock a bastard?
Indeed, even though Ock is the least malicious of the main villains of the films except maybe Sandman, he's still bad guy, threatening little old ladies and young women to get a one-up on Spider-Man, and even setting a train to derail and crash just to exhaust the hero. His fusion machine is also threatening all of New York which he seems totally fine with so long as he proves to himself it works and he didn't "miscalculate," but despite all this, Ock personally never outright kills anyone, and even when he outright notes that Mary Jane would get the police if he let her go before his experiment was done, he doesn't move to kill her or show any desire to, instead just keeping her chained until he succeeds.
Final Verdict?
Ock's a complex and tragic as hell baddie, and he's certainly being corrupted by his tentacles, but I ultimately think Ock's got more than enough control, cleverness, and personal charm to allow him to count
Edited by Ravok on Aug 2nd 2020 at 11:29:01 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!It's a tough one but I think at the end of the day, given his show of agency by breaking away from the tentacles demand and the fact the details of the operations even when he is acting by their corruptive influence are his own work I'm gonna lean yes.
From what I recall as well, the tentacles also seemed to hold an "old" version of him, the one that sought to see his experiment through no matter what and I think it's worth noting that they symbolize an internal struggle rather than just an outside force taking over his mind.
Edited by 43110 on Aug 2nd 2020 at 2:27:38 PM
Like I said I was torn on Ock. But I feel like you made a good argument for him not being just under the control of his tentacles. So I will give a slight yes to the great villain from the second best Spider-Man movie.
If you are wondering my number one is Spiderverse.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 2nd 2020 at 1:31:04 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI wouldn't be surprised if comic Ock counts. I mean he's considered one of Spidey's Archenemies for a very good reason. I'm surprised he's not been at least discussed before.
Edited by Bullman on Aug 2nd 2020 at 1:50:36 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI think Comics Ock is a wee bit too petty personally, but then again I haven't read comics for a long time regularly now.
Last big thing of him I remember is trying to exterminate 99.92% of the worlds population and afterwards Superior Spider-Man.
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Batman: And what are you?
Red Hood: I'm cleaning up Gotham. More than you ever did.
Batman: You're stealing territory from Black Mask and killing anyone who gets in your way.
Red Hood: Black Mask is just a part of the plan.
Batman: Plan? You're becoming a crime lord.
Red Hood: Yes. You can't stop crime. That's what you never understood. I'm controlling it. You wanna rule them by fear. But what do you do with the ones who aren't afraid? I'm doing what you won't: I'm taking them out!
The Flash (2014)
Batman: The Animated Series
Edited by 43110 on Aug 3rd 2020 at 3:15:50 PM