During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
- Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.
- What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below is a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
- Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
- Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
- Must not be too detestable: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
- Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
- Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.
- What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.
- Do we list Playing With this trope?: No; as a YMMV trope, this cannot be Played With, so we only want examples that are Played Straight.
- What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
- Begin by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
- Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavor of how they operate to explain this;
- List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
- The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.
- How do you know when the character's arc is done so they can be proposed? When their tenure as a villain or antagonist finishes. This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer.
- What about candidates evil because of external sources? Those Made of Evil can qualify if they show enough individuality and tactical acumen — in other words, they have the personality to fulfill the magnificence requirement. Conversely, those brainwashed, especially if they're a better person without it, may fail the individuality aspect and cannot count.
- What if they are under orders from a higher-up? Depends. If the boss created the plans down to the letter and the candidate is just following them, sounds like we should discuss the boss instead. However, if the candidate takes creative liberties with the orders, adds their own charm and flair to them, fills in holes in the orders, and/or actively deals with obstacles their boss did not talk about, the candidate shows enough individual thinking to qualify.
- What about Character Development? An MB is something a character can develop into... a nice person who plots well might become more morally gray as the work goes on and hits the "Bastard" criteria, thus making them viable. Likewise, a Smug Snake might shed their ego, become more understanding of the threat others pose and gain the personality or "Magnificent" criteria, likewise making them viable. Conversely, a character who looks like this trope might suffer from a Sanity Slippage or just get outed as not being as smart as they thought they were and become incompatible with MB.
- Can an MB be a good guy? Not in the conventional sense... it is required they have at least some dubious traits lest they fail the "Bastard" criteria. That being said, a character who pulls a Heel–Face Turn or eventually stops taking villainous actions is still fair game: as there was a point in time where they were both "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and they've merely adapted as time goes on. Now... if such a character begins showing other issues (i.e.: becomes prone to freak outs or starts getting outwitted) then they're compromising their Magnificence and will probably be deemed a cut. What's important is stylishly operating while at least for some time being willing to take at best underhanded methods to see a job done. A Heel–Face Turn in itself isn't a disqualifier but they do have to have been "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and afterwards can't start slipping on the former front.
- What about characters whose stories can take different routes?: When proposing a character in a form of media that has them in multiple story routes. Said character must be consistent with their characteristics in all routes. (ex.: Can't have an example who shows promise on one route yet fails in another.) The only exception is if a later installment of the series confirms the character's actions which made them worth proposing are the canon route.
- Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American air date). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.
- What about groups like with Complete Monster?: This is a point of divergence between the two tropes. While CM does not allow for a single entry encompassing more than three characters lest their heinousness for crimes becomes too watered down, with MB as long as they are treated as one "unit" it is acceptable to lump all characters provided they share acts of charm and intelligence.
- Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.
- My example/edit has been approved, but the example subpage is locked! How do I get it added?: The moderators do not add examples to locked example subpages in the MagnificentBastard/ namespace directly. Rather, you need to do the edit to a sandbox page that follows the format Sandbox.MagnificentBastard<Name of the example subpage> (e.g for MagnificentBastard.Fullmetal Alchemist it's Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Fullmetal Alchemist) and on a Friday, ask in the locked pages edit requests thread
for the content to be swapped in.
Thread rules
When voting a troper must specify the effort post they're voting on and cannot merely vote on "Everything I missed" as in the past it has indicated the poster didn't read the effort post and is guessing instead of analyzing.
Resolved items
In general, a character listed on this trope is considered "settled". This means they should not be challenged unless information used to list them was incorrect or information was missed in the initial discussion.
However, when re-litigating a candidate, the same rules apply for when they were originally proposed. If they do not have five or more upvotes than downvotes for approval upon a re-litigation, including votes from the initial discussion if they do not change, then they are a cut.
This especially applies to the characters listed below, who have been discussed excessively and repeated attempts to get them listed/cut may result in punitive action for bogging down the thread.
Definitely an MB
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers: Any sadism Darkrai displays is limited in effect thanks to the game's nature and any cowardice which can be inferred about him is Alternative Character Interpretation about his tactical retreats.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender: Azula's Villainous Breakdown is undone in the sequel comic Smoke & Shadow where she regains her composure and ends up stable and in control enough to count.
Definitely not an MB
- South Park: The show's frequent use of vulgar comedy and mean-spirited humor leaves any potential candidates devoid of the dignity or charm to qualify.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:15:22 AM
Yes to Amorges and as for Olivier? Look, when her sole credit to being a 'bitch' is being kind of a jerk to her brother and using underhanded methods to kill of instigators of genocide who cut a deal with Father for immortality, I'm not labelling her a 'bitch', that's just not going to happen.
As I've already told Lighty: even giving The Perfection a rewatch, I'm more just 'fine' with Lizzie being listed up with Charlotte (who I support entirely) as opposed to retaining the upvote I originally gave: so much of the film is built up around how horrific and disgusting Anton is that his comeuppance it a total "watching a Hate Sink get it" to me, just like Dolan's death scene was and I don't think being a dick to someone that bad is a requisite level of unscrupulousness to cut it.
Edited by 43110 on Jul 12th 2019 at 4:40:10 AM
So, here are the remaining writeups :
- Echoes: In a fanfiction full of characters and universes, these characters have distinguished themselves through their morally dubious, but brilliant feats:
- Sasori, eclipsing his canon counterpart, is "The Puppet Master" in more ways than one. Promoted to chunin after single-handedly killing 50 enemies by poisoning their water supplies, Sasori later joined the Arashi clan with his student Chibaku (Puppeeter!Naruto) and his subordinate Kabuto. Sasori proved to be valuable : in Kitsune's world, he effortlessly blackmailed the Hokage into giving them Kitsune (Insane!Naruto). Through quick thinking, he forces Tsukiyomi to reveal more of his techniques even though he was losing, which proved to be useful when fighting Amaterasu (who has similar abilities) in the Wave-Verse, briefly crippling him. When most of the Arashi clan was imprisoned in a nigh-inescapable prison in the Cloud-Verse, he and Chibaku successfully broke out the entire group from the prison with their plan. He discovered most of the truth about the Dystopia-Verse by spying on an ANBU and had the perfect seal to defeat its dictator. When the Third Kazekage tries to use Sasori's body against Chibaku, Sasori self-destructed to save Chibaku. Called a Magnificent Bastard by Chibaku, Sasori has more than lived up to the name.
- The aforementioned Tsukiyomi, AKA Kazama's world's Madara Uchiha, has earned his name of "The Deceiver". Wanting to harness Kazama's power and to destroy Konoha for "betraying" him, Tsukiyomi successfully destroyed Kazama's devotion to Konoha through Half Truths, also implanting Amatsu-Mikaboshi inside Kazama to further corrupt him. When Kazama was separated from his friends and ended up in the Ame-Verse alongside Susanoo and Tsukiyomi, the latter pulled an Enemy Mine with Kazama and trained him, resulting in both Kazama taking over Ame and finally snapping and destroying Konoha, thus fulfilling Tsukiyomi's life-long objective. Having grown to sincerely care for Kazama, he followed him in the "Road to Ninja" world and sacrificed himself to help Kazama overcome Amatsu-Mikaboshi. Willing to negociate, affable, polite and ruthless, Tsukiyomi was the most successful villain of the fanfiction.
- Blake and Mortimer: In The Secret of the Swordfish, the colonel Olrik, Blake and Mortimer's nemesis, is the military advisor of Basam-Damdu, the emperor of the Yellow Empire. One of his first acts is to immediately kill a Reverse Mole the second he learns about him. Pursuing Blake and Mortimer to gain the plans of the Swordfish (La Résistance's weapon, which should allow it to retaliate once finished), Olrik is relentless, scouting the surroundings when Blake and Mortimer's damaged vehicles were found, suspecting the duo of faking their deaths. Through his smarts, he almost killed Blake and Mortimer several times (trapping the location they were supposed to go, sending armored tanks after their truck), only stopped by exterior elements. He also captured Mortimer, and outsmarts one of his attempts to communicate with Blake by using the paper Mortimer wrote his message to light his pipe. When Mortimer escapes, Olrik disguises himself as a prisoner and infiltrates a group of prisoners members of the Resistance, helps them escape, infiltrate their underwater base, sabotages it, and escapes even when found out, thanks to his adaptability. Ruthless and talented, Olrik was begrudgingly respected by his nemeses.
alright so let's get Amorges out of the way
- Odyssey: In Ancient Greece full, these two prove themselves to be bright predecessors to the most brilliant and charismatic of the Templar Order:
- Aspasia was once the leader of the Cult of Kosmos who controlled the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta through Athenian Politics and Greek mythology. Becoming the lover of Perikles, she abandoned her original plan of killing him after developing genuine feelings for the ruler of Athens and instead manipulated him into supporting her agenda. After having her leadership position removed in favor of Deimos and the Cult killing Perikles, Aspasia would use Deimos' sibling, The Eagle Bearer, to kill off all the members of the Cult before revealing her true identity to the Eagle Bearer and offering them a chance to join her goal in creating a prosperous future where humanity would finally be united by a wise and philosophical king of Aspasia's choosing.
- Legacy of the First Blade DLC: Amorges, The Tusk of Persia, was once friends with Darius before foiling Darius plans to assassinate King Artaxerxes and join the Order of the Ancients. Becoming the order's leader, Amorges would send men to hunt down Darius and his family, while he would travel to Greece himself to establish the Order's presence which he would greatly expand throughout Greece, by allying with the Cult of Kosmos hijacking their role in manipulating the Peloponnesian War to where Greece would be united under an Order' influenced Sparta, all while under the guise of the stranded merchant Orontas, which fools even his former friend. Amorges would then lead an attack on the village Dyme killing Darius' remaining child and kidnapping The Eagle Bearer's infant son in hopes of raising him to become a loyal soldier to his order.
Also do we need an MB page for Assassins Creed since we now have seven entries?
Okay just put the Odyssey in the drafts, so if I may ask are you going to create an MB page for Assassins Creed?
Edited by G-Editor on Jul 12th 2019 at 12:35:59 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffSure, the video games page has gotten a love of love and it’s pretty lengthy, so I don’t mind.
Sure... have a quote/line? Also, how do you want it to look? I was gonna rip the AC tags from the monster page but it sections them by medium and I think we literally only have video game examples for MB.
Edited by 43110 on Jul 12th 2019 at 6:44:26 AM
How's this for a quote and heading
In the historical war between Assassins and Templars spanning a millennia these manage to standout with their brilliance, charm, and audaciousness.
How is it? (I'll add it to the drafts)
Edited by G-Editor on Jul 12th 2019 at 2:03:55 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffHere we go. I'm EP one more Eggman candidate before dealing with XANA.
What's the work?
Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie is a two-episode 1996 Japanese anime OVA series based on the video game franchise by Sega. Produced by Studio Pierrot and directed by Kazutaka Ikegami, the OVAs were released from January 26, to March 22, 1996. The anime features Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Dr. Eggman (Dr. Robotnik in the English release), Metal Sonic and a few supporting characters created exclusively for the OVA.
The setting is quite unique compared to the games : Planet Freedom is separated in two lands : Land of the Sky, an ensemble of suspended continents connected to a massive ice network, and the place where all of the planet's inhabitants lives, and Land of Darkness, the actual surface of the planet, a post-apocalyptic world with Eggman as it's sole living inhabitant.
Who's Dr. Eggman ? What has he done?
Dr. Eggman is Sonic's Arch-Enemy, and, as you all know, wants to Take Over the World, or more precisely, here, to hurl the Land of the Sky into outer space by destroying the ice network, undoubtedly killing everyone on it, so that he could Take Over the World.
Here, he seemingly took hostage the President and his daughter Sara, forcing Sonic to go to the Presidential Residence. There, Sonic can't attack Eggman because he has hostages, and thus must listen to him : Eggman says he is in need of Sonic's help to rid the Land of Darkness of a mysterious being known only as Black Eggman who has taken over his city, Eggmanland, on the surface of Planet Freedom. He explains that Black Eggman has sabotaged the Egg Generator that sits at the center of the city and if Sonic does not shut it down it will cause a giant explosion which will destroy the entire planet.
Once Sonic and Tails left, the charade is dropped and it is revealed that Eggman has somehow bribed Sara and the President into pretending to be his hostages. That said, whether or not Eggman truly took them hostage doesn't matter, as it would have been useful to Eggman either way, as Sonic and Tails ends up doing what he wants.
Turns out, Eggman (and Sara, who wanted to be taken to a drive somewhere) was inside Black Eggman the whole time (What a surprise!). Black Eggman almost kills Sonic and Tails, if it wasn't for the timely arrival of Knuckles (and... Knuckles... 's hat). The trio promptly destroys Black Eggman and finally reach the Eggman Generator. After shutting it down, Sonic is briefly trapped in the generator, who scans him and copied his DNA before collapsing.
Sonic's DNA was the last required ingredient for Eggman's latest robot, Hyper Metal Sonic.
To put it nicely, Eggman's plan is a Xanatos Gambit : either he wins against Sonic as Black Eggman (which of course he wouldn't mind), or Sonic wins against Black Eggman, reaches the Egg Generator, and then his DNA can be copied to finish Hyper Metal Sonic. Either way, Eggman wins.
Eggman mocks Sonic for falling for his trap and in a fit of rage Sonic runs at Eggman but Metal beats him there, showing that he was designed to surpass Sonic in every way possible.
What follows next is a fight between Sonic and Metal, with the latter winning.
Metal, after winning, passing though Sonic's home in South Island and destroying several cities in the Land of Sky, goes to Planet Freedom's ice network, in order to destroy it. There, he is confronted by Sonic for a second fight. Sara and Eggman, Tails and Knuckles later joins them, observing the fight. Tails helps Sonic by using a device to overload Metal with Sonic's emotional data, thus allowing Sonic to finally take the lead. However, when Tails tries again later, Eggman noticed the device this time and destroyed it.
Sonic and Metal continue their fight until eventually a strike from Sonic sends his robotic twin flying into the President's ship causing the entire thing to explode. Metal Sonic emerges from the smoke holding the President and Old Man Owl, having saved them from the explosion. Metal Sonic drops them to the ground before a large chunk of debris knocks him down into a deep crevice filled with magma. Sonic, having seen that Metal Sonic is capable of empathy for other beings, immediately jumps down the incline, sliding down to try and save the terribly damaged robot. He reaches a hand out to Metal Sonic who slaps it away, realizing that he must perish, as there can only be one Sonic in the world. Sonic is incredibly distraught, Knuckles having to restrain him from trying to save his robotic double as Metal Sonic becomes submerged, lost under the magma.
Later, as everyone is overlooking the ice bridge which has been saved from destruction, Sonic is lost in thought. He appears still saddened by the loss of Metal Sonic. Tails and Sara attempt to cheer him up, but are interrupted as Eggman appears behind them touting the fact that he still possesses the CD containing all of Sonic's data. He explains that he plans to create an even more powerful version of Metal Sonic which would omit the part of Sonic's data containing his personality so that he would have no weaknesses. Too caught up in his Evil Gloating to notice, one of Eggman's unaccounted exploding robots reappears just in time to grab the CD and detonate, destroying itself and Sonic's data along with it. Everyone laughs and then Knuckles hits Sonic on the head, claiming it was payback for earlier when Sonic accidentally stepped on him while fighting Metal Sonic. Knuckles runs off and Sonic chases him, with Tails following both of them. Sara, Old Man Owl, and the President all pile into Eggman's ship and demand that he catch up with Sonic. Eggman obliges and as they fly up behind Sonic they all try to grab for him, Sara shouting that she wants to marry him and Eggman claiming that he will eventually get Sonic's data again, but Sonic simply races away.
Is he charming? Intelligent?
This is Dr. Eggman we're talking about. An evil, funny, seemingly harmless, but very affable (plays video games with Sara, is friendly to Sonic when he's not trying to kill him, is an all-around pleasant individual) genius, and quite manipulative, having successfully played Sara, the President, Sonic and Tails with his Xanatos Gambit.
And on top of that? He pulled it off despite being Obviously Evil, which is undeniably impressive.
Thinking on his feet?
The second he noticed Tails was hacking Metal to help Sonic, he immediately destroyed the device Tails used to do so. While Metal was already quite damaged, this remains impressive.
He was also Crazy-Prepared, keeping Sonic's data with him just in case Metal was defeated, and planned to learn from his errors with Metal.
What about the competition?
His Dragon, Hyper Metal Sonic is quite good : he defeated Sonic during their first fight and had the advantage during the second until Tails came in. While he's a Knight of Cerebus, he's quite affable too (sharing Sonic's personality certainly is a reason), giving Sonic's favorite clothes to Old Man Owl instead of attacking him, pulling a Heroic Sacrifice, calmly accepting his defeat and being respectful to Sonic. That said, Metal doesn't stands out as a Chessmaster by himself and ultimately doesn't do much more than following Eggman's orders.
There's Tails, but not only Eggman Out-Gambitted Tails, but Tails is firmly on the side of good, thus disqualifying him.
Is he a bastard? Too much of a bastard?
Wants to Take Over the World, with Omnicidal Maniac and I Have You Now, My Pretty tendencies to boot. He has no qualms ignoring his crush's demands not to hurt Sonic, on top of that.
That said, his affability is genuine, the I Have You Now, My Pretty is Played for Laughs (it lacks the sexual implications generally present within the trope, and looks more like genuine, if obsessive, love for Sara. On top of that, he planned to spare her when blowing up the Land of the Sky) and he's friendly even to his enemies.
Verdict ?
Not sure about this one, I'll abstain and leave him up to you.
On one part, he's clearly brilliant, but on another, the I Have You Now, My Pretty and his Evil Gloating about still having Sonic's data holds me back. I'll leave it up to you guys.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jul 13th 2019 at 11:38:09 AM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)I'm leaning yes on Olrik, but I have a question about him counting. I thought while we could have a character grow into a Magnificent Bastard, we usually take a character as a whole. Since this is the first novel he appears in, and you say he otherwise wouldn't count, doesn't that mean he wouldn't count in later novels and thus wouldn't count in general?
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midIt's rather inconsistent : his actions in some albums makes him count in these (In S.O.S. Meteors, I think he can make it, for example), but in others, he doesn't, generally because he's too much of a bastard (I'm thinking about The Necklace Affair, where he abandons his minions without a second thought and is Out-Gambitted in quite the anticlimactic way in the end; that said, he pulls an impressive Kansas City Shuffle in this story).
As such, I think it's better to EP him story per story, if he counts.
That said, he constantly remains an enjoyable villain, he just doesn't count in general.
Oh, and "This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer."
So it's entirely possible for him to count in one story and not in another.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jul 13th 2019 at 6:34:27 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Eggman. His perviness towards Sara was the only questionable part for me, but his diabolical competence beneath his Affably Evil, seemingly oafish demeanor seals the deal.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jul 13th 2019 at 7:38:01 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)Here's Eggman's writeup :
Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie: Dr. Eggman is Sonic's archnemesis. His objective is to hurl the Land of the Sky into outer space by destroying the planet's ice network, and then take over the world. To do so, he took hostage Sara and the President, forcing Sonic and Tails to try and rescue them. Then, he sent them to the Land of Darkness, claiming Sonic does not shut down a generator there it will destroy the planet. In truth, it was a brilliant gambit : either he wins against Sonic as Black Eggman, or Sonic wins, reaches the generator, and then Sonic's DNA can be copied to finish Hyper Metal Sonic, Eggman's latest robot. When the latter case happens, Metal defeats Sonic in their first fight and takes the lead in their second fight. When Tails tries a second time to use his device to overload Metal with Sonic's data, Eggman destroys the device. Upon Metal's defeat, Eggman reveals that he kept a CD with Sonic's data, and plan to create a better Metal, lacking the original's flaws. Beneath his nice, funny and seemingly oafish behavior, Eggman is once again a brilliant mastermind.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jul 13th 2019 at 11:29:14 AM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Egghead
Cut these from Tenchi Muyo!: Kagato. In the OVA he's a stylish, Faux Affably Evil Wicked Cultured badass. In the Universe series, he sets up Ayeka as a treacherous usurper to the throne, causing the whole group to travel all the way to Jurai just to have a fight with Katsuhiko /Yosho by using Yosho's name as a way to get political power in order to force Yosho into action. He may have achieved this goal, by dying in a fight with Tenchi, Yosho's grandson.
- Also, Yugi prior to her Villain Decay into Smug Snake.

amorgeds
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."