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  • Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.

  • What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below are a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
    • Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
    • Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
    • Must not be too much of a Bastard: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
    • Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
    • Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.

  • What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.

  • Do we list Playing With this trope?: No, while this, like any other trope can be played with, we only want examples that explain it being Played Straight.

  • What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
    • Being by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
    • Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavour of how they operate to explain this;
    • List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
    • The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.

  • Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American airdate). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.

  • Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.

Edited by 43110 on Mar 10th 2019 at 9:24:02 AM

Awesomekid42 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Mar 14th 2019 at 1:26:54 PM

[up][up] Him, I'd be fine with

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Mar 14th 2019 at 4:27:11 AM

G-Editor I'm actually Irish so I can be moody from Skewl Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
I'm actually Irish so I can be moody
Mar 14th 2019 at 1:38:39 PM

Well I guess its worth a shot. so here's John McCain's EP also from South Park.

Who Is He? What Has Done?

John McCain is the republican nominee for the 2008 presidential elections and eventually lost. However this was actually apart of his and Obama's plan co-leading a group of professional thieves where he and Obama orchestrated events so that either he or him would win the election.

Regardless of who won the present-elect would be able to access the tunnel that connects from the Whitehouse to the Smithsonian museum where they planned to steal the Hope Diamond while creating mass-celebration and panic all over the country so that they would be too distracted to notice them stealing said diamond.

Obama would go through the tunnel to the Smithsonian museum to reach the safe containing the Hope Diamond while, McCain has the rest of his thief crew dress as construction workers to provide cover for any noise Obama might make.

Eventually Obama successfully steals the Hope Diamond from the safe, uses the tunnel to go back to the Whitehouse, while McCain would meet him outside of the Whitehouse to meet with his cohorts with the Hope Diamond where they prepare to leave the country.

From there its also revealed that he and McCain has hired Ike Broflovski, Kyle’s little brother, to help them escape the country, pretending that he has hurt his leg, going to the hospital where he remotely detonates a bomb to blow up a parked airplane containing dummies that resemble Obama, McCain and the other thieves, before altering the hospital medical records to show that they died, successfully faking their deaths.

All went according to plan. However Obama decides to try becoming the President for real along with Michelle as his first lady. McCain accepts Obama's decision with grace and part with Obama on friendly terms before enthusiastically enthusiastically saying “I love happy endings”.

Is He Intelligent? Is He Charismatic?

McCain plays a major part to rigging the elections so that either he or McCain would win so that either of them would become president and receive access to the tunnel connecting to the Smithsonian Museum while also creating mass panic and celebration so that none would know that they stole the diamond, so yeah McCain is pretty intelligent.

As for charisma, McCain is a genuine archetype of a Gentleman Thief that's a homage to Danny Ocean from Ocean's Eleven with badass music background catchphrase, "Boom Baby", and never once looses his cool even when obstacle he didn’t predict occurred such as the safe having a newly installed security system, merely having Obama call his "wife" Michelle dismantle them.

What’s The Competition Like?

McCain manages to be just as brilliant and charismatic as his partner Obama, but unlike him, McCain only appears in "About Last Night" so he never appears in the subsequent episodes like Obama, therefore never delves into the more idiotic act as Obama did. Also we also have Bernie Sanders as a MB so McCain being a real life figure should be a militating factor

Is He a Bastard? Is He Too Much of A Bastard?

Okay he’s a thief who he and Obama rigged the presidential election so either he or Obama would win, causes mass panic throughout the country, steals a very valuable diamond so I thinks he’s enough of a bastard to count.

However he never commits any the more deplorable acts usually found in the show, genuinely care for his fellow thieves, parting with Obama on good terms so yeah he not too much of a bastard to be disqualified.

Final Verdict?

I’ll leave that to you guys

Edited by G-Editor on Mar 16th 2019 at 8:15:23 AM

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Awesomekid42 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Mar 14th 2019 at 1:39:53 PM

Wait, we have a version of Bernie Sanders as a MB?

But yeah, McCain I'm fine with giving a [tup]. Him and Obama were both the masterminds of the heist

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Mar 14th 2019 at 4:40:30 AM

Mar 14th 2019 at 2:46:51 PM

Leaning yes on Mc Cain, but no on Obama.

That reminds me. I forgot to post Art Teacher's writeup:

  • The Art Teacher from "[1]", is a former shell shocked veteran turned crook who moonlights as an art teacher. Upon overseeing Riley spray painting a house. He immediately takes a liking to him and takes the boy under his wing. Teaching Riley basic drawing before moving out a bigger canvas, he has Riley paint several beautiful murals on various homes. Proposing on the last night to paint someone who isn't in the picture anymore, he has Riley paint a mural of his deceased parents. When the police show up, the art teacher shoots their tires and takes off. Despite only appearing in one episode, the Art Teacher stood out as one of the most soft spoken antagonists and provided one of the most touching scenes in the show.

KazuyaProta I warned you, Human!! from A dying Earth Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
I warned you, Human!!
Mar 14th 2019 at 3:27:45 PM

[up][up] Anyone did a Red World EP then?

...I might take a look there, but everyone is too close to modern day (due to the POD being in the 90, everyone is from modern politics)

Edited by KazuyaProta on Mar 14th 2019 at 5:29:30 AM

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AustinDR Hee Hee from Fresh and ready for life.
Hee Hee
Mar 14th 2019 at 3:29:13 PM

Sure to the second SP candidate.

Why you little-!
Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
Mar 14th 2019 at 4:21:38 PM

Yes to John Mc Cain, but no to Obama.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:22:11 AM

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43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:17:39 PM

Mmm... the more I think on it (and I'll admit, at the time I encouraged it), I think I'm going to have to retract my vote on that version of Sanders, since, well-loved as this trope and its implications may be, it does mean we're taking a fictional version of a real person and tacking the "Villainous or morally dubious" aspect on to them. Likewise, I'm going to go with a nay for the two South Park ones.

Adding to that, as with CM, I'll give a bit more leeway to historical or at least "been-deceased-for-a-while" figures but I'd rather veer away from those involved in recent politics or life in general.

Edited by 43110 on Mar 14th 2019 at 8:22:14 AM

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AustinDR Hee Hee from Fresh and ready for life.
Hee Hee
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:21:03 PM

I don't personally see a problem with that because at the end of the day, it's a fictional representation of the real person, but that's largely my opinion.

Why you little-!
43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:22:44 PM

Fair enough, vote how you wish, I'm just saying how I feel on the matter. If they go up, up they go.

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Awesomekid42 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:24:46 PM

[nja]

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Mar 14th 2019 at 8:25:10 AM

SatoshiBakura    Remember freedom?    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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Mar 14th 2019 at 5:30:10 PM

It probably helps that being an MB is often seen as a sign of respect, at least in comparison to being a CM.

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43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:32:51 PM

I get where you're coming from, I'm still just not down for the bit that implies negative about the person in question's morality.

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G-Editor I'm actually Irish so I can be moody from Skewl Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
I'm actually Irish so I can be moody
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:35:39 PM

@43110 Funny you said that since you've upvoted a fictionalized version of Wil Wheaton last week.

Edited by G-Editor on Mar 14th 2019 at 2:36:14 AM

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AustinDR Hee Hee from Fresh and ready for life.
Hee Hee
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:36:26 PM

I can agree that there would be some potential issues going into that since while yeah, "magnificent" is in the name, otherwise, "bastard" would be kind of insulting given that it would be based on a real person.

Why you little-!
DocSharp from the long lost land of Canada
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:40:28 PM

[up][up] Wheaton played himself. It was an entirely consensual depiction on his part, which is much different from what SP does. Plus, he's an actor, which tends to attract less controversy than politicians.

Personally gonna abstain from any South Park stuff.

Edited by DocSharp on Mar 14th 2019 at 5:41:21 AM

Kylotrope My account..Do I need something to sound cool? from Hawaii Relationship Status: Abstaining
My account..Do I need something to sound cool?
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:44:09 PM

[tup] to Mc Cain.

Edited by Kylotrope on Mar 14th 2019 at 5:44:28 AM

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43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:45:56 PM

Gonna concur with Doc there and give a blunt response to the attempts to see where you can catch me being a hypocrite is pointedly not a good starting point for civil debate with me.

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AustinDR Hee Hee from Fresh and ready for life.
Hee Hee
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:47:01 PM

Yeah, we should drop it before it gets out of hand.

Why you little-!
G-Editor I'm actually Irish so I can be moody from Skewl Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
I'm actually Irish so I can be moody
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:48:03 PM

[up][up] I was just kidding around, I certainly don't want to start any heated civil debate. You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and you vote how ever you want.

Edited by G-Editor on Mar 14th 2019 at 2:49:02 AM

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ElfenLiedFan90 Torture Dance Time! from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Mar 14th 2019 at 5:53:58 PM

i'm cool with abstaining on South Park candidate. Its understandable why people had a bit of a problems with political figures in general. As I'll be honest that I'm also not a political person so yep. But if they goes up? I dont really mind

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Mar 14th 2019 at 7:54:17 PM

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43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:54:42 PM

Meh, I'll just chalk it up to how shit looks written out in a text box vs. the body language and tone add IRL and leave it at that. Everyone feel free to vote how they want.

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Lymantria "Mordor!" from Toronto Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
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Mar 14th 2019 at 7:37:04 PM

Nobody's saying the real Barack Obama is a Magnificent Bastard, just the South Park version of him. But yes, it's different when it's fictional depiction of a recent politician instead of say, someone who died centuries ago.

Edited by Lymantria on Mar 14th 2019 at 10:37:10 AM

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43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Mar 14th 2019 at 7:50:08 PM

I'm aware no one is saying the real version is, my discomfort stands.

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