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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

  • Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.

  • What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below is a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
    • Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
    • Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
    • Must not be too detestable: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
    • Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
    • Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.

  • What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.

  • Do we list Playing With this trope?: No; as a YMMV trope, this cannot be Played With, so we only want examples that are Played Straight.

  • What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
    • Begin by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
    • Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavor of how they operate to explain this;
    • List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
    • The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.

  • How do you know when the character's arc is done so they can be proposed? When their tenure as a villain or antagonist finishes. This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer.

  • What about candidates evil because of external sources? Those Made of Evil can qualify if they show enough individuality and tactical acumen — in other words, they have the personality to fulfill the magnificence requirement. Conversely, those brainwashed, especially if they're a better person without it, may fail the individuality aspect and cannot count.

  • What if they are under orders from a higher-up? Depends. If the boss created the plans down to the letter and the candidate is just following them, sounds like we should discuss the boss instead. However, if the candidate takes creative liberties with the orders, adds their own charm and flair to them, fills in holes in the orders, and/or actively deals with obstacles their boss did not talk about, the candidate shows enough individual thinking to qualify.

  • What about Character Development? An MB is something a character can develop into... a nice person who plots well might become more morally gray as the work goes on and hits the "Bastard" criteria, thus making them viable. Likewise, a Smug Snake might shed their ego, become more understanding of the threat others pose and gain the personality or "Magnificent" criteria, likewise making them viable. Conversely, a character who looks like this trope might suffer from a Sanity Slippage or just get outed as not being as smart as they thought they were and become incompatible with MB.

  • Can an MB be a good guy? Not in the conventional sense... it is required they have at least some dubious traits lest they fail the "Bastard" criteria. That being said, a character who pulls a Heel–Face Turn or eventually stops taking villainous actions is still fair game: as there was a point in time where they were both "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and they've merely adapted as time goes on. Now... if such a character begins showing other issues (i.e.: becomes prone to freak outs or starts getting outwitted) then they're compromising their Magnificence and will probably be deemed a cut. What's important is stylishly operating while at least for some time being willing to take at best underhanded methods to see a job done. A Heel–Face Turn in itself isn't a disqualifier but they do have to have been "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and afterwards can't start slipping on the former front.

  • What about characters whose stories can take different routes?: When proposing a character in a form of media that has them in multiple story routes. Said character must be consistent with their characteristics in all routes. (ex.: Can't have an example who shows promise on one route yet fails in another.) The only exception is if a later installment of the series confirms the character's actions which made them worth proposing are the canon route.

  • Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American air date). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.

  • What about groups like with Complete Monster?: This is a point of divergence between the two tropes. While CM does not allow for a single entry encompassing more than three characters lest their heinousness for crimes becomes too watered down, with MB as long as they are treated as one "unit" it is acceptable to lump all characters provided they share acts of charm and intelligence.

  • Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.

Thread rules

When voting a troper must specify the effort post they're voting on and cannot merely vote on "Everything I missed" as in the past it has indicated the poster didn't read the effort post and is guessing instead of analyzing.

Resolved items

In general, a character listed on this trope is considered "settled". This means they should not be challenged unless information used to list them was incorrect or information was missed in the initial discussion.

However, when re-litigating a candidate, the same rules apply for when they were originally proposed. If they do not have five or more upvotes than downvotes for approval upon a re-litigation, including votes from the initial discussion if they do not change, then they are a cut.

This especially applies to the characters listed below, who have been discussed excessively and repeated attempts to get them listed/cut may result in punitive action for bogging down the thread.

Definitely an MB

Definitely not an MB

  • South Park: The show's frequent use of vulgar comedy and mean-spirited humor leaves any potential candidates devoid of the dignity or charm to qualify.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:15:22 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#56051: Aug 17th 2021 at 6:06:54 PM

Yes to the Operator

[up]I've seen the whole series and the closest keeper is Dartz who has too many freak outs to count, I doubt anyone else will count.

Heads up I may have a Power Rangers S.P.D. EP coming here for a two parter villain.

Edited by papyru30 on Aug 17th 2021 at 7:07:42 AM

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#56052: Aug 17th 2021 at 6:08:53 PM

Bakura/Florence also comes close, but his story isn't over yet. So that will probably be like ten years or something, lol.

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#56054: Aug 17th 2021 at 8:35:39 PM

[tup] Operator and Mayor

So about Gloria's work as a brothel madam, it's really more of giving woman who have nowhere to go a viable job, and it's never done by force since Gloria does offer the job to women she thinks could do well, and even then she never targets minor, as shown with Amy who's 15 where Gloria said if she has nowhere to go when she's older she's more then happy to recruit her as one of her girls after the war. Plus there's mention Gloria does keeps the girls safe and protected, and properly trained. Lastly it should be noted this game takes place in a steampunk like era where prostitution is more widely accepted and seen as a legitimate job, and Gloria's brothel is one of those high class ones people work professionally.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#56055: Aug 17th 2021 at 8:53:06 PM

Okay then [tup] gloria.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#56056: Aug 17th 2021 at 10:23:15 PM

Is there a reason why the Darker than Black page doesn't have a quote? I know one was proposed (even if I wasn't the biggest fan of it).

BlackFaithStar [Hiatus til March] from 🇲🇾 (UTC plus 8) (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#56058: Aug 18th 2021 at 5:53:24 AM

Based on the EP, [tup] to The Operator.

Having rewatched the film last night, I understand the concern about Sonia losing her cool quite a bit, especially in the nightclub scene when she really goes off—but I don't think those moments as a whole really drag her down. With that scene, the cover's already been blown—so not her fault—and she still keeps her focus on the fighting and keeping the bomb from going off. Other times, her losing her cool isn't interfering with the mission and even if she doesn't pull it back that often, I think the scene where she pretends to play into Aristotle's hands and goes along with things does show her devoting herself to a bit for a decent amount of time.

Anybody who's watched it recently feel like weighing in too? You agree? Got a different opinion?

[down]It's just because there was doubt cast that that's why I mentioned it. You're right though. It's over and done and there's not really reason to have doubt or self-doubt at this point.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Aug 18th 2021 at 6:20:11 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#56059: Aug 18th 2021 at 6:01:38 AM

Future...the discussion ended, and I believe she even went up. You've gotten much better but don't dredge up old discussions without reason

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#56060: Aug 18th 2021 at 8:27:10 AM

Put this between Pegasus and the Thief King.

  • Ishizu Ishtar, sister of Marik and Rishid/Odion, vowed to stop the former's dark side at all costs to save her brother. To this end, she took possession of the Millennium Tauk/Necklace, using its power of predicting the future to win duels. Ishizu uses Kaiba to organize the Battle City Tournament to lure out her brothers and their criminal organization, the Ghouls/Rare Hunters, by using the many duelists as bait, nudging Yugi to enter the tournament as well. Advancing to the quarter finals, Ishizu uses her powers to back Kaiba into a corner and, after her loss, entrusts her will to Yugi in hopes that she can save Marik.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#56061: Aug 18th 2021 at 10:18:42 AM

Hey ya'll, I wanted to ask a question - what should I do if a potential candidates' actions run into Fridge Logic upon further inspection? Basically, I'm thinking about the demon from the Angel episode "I've Got You Under My Skin" - as he's being exorcised, he puts up one hell of a fight and gets in all of the heroes' heads, manipulating all of them pretty well, except the end reveals that the demon wanted out all along, so him putting up a fight during the exorcism is weird. Now, the episode doesn't call this inconsistency out, but by the same token that means that anything that we can come up with is fair game, and I can think of a few reasons why he'd fight the exorcism - should I just present it as is and just not focus on the contradiction, or should I present a few possibilities?

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#56062: Aug 18th 2021 at 11:24:23 AM

I mean... it's a light entertainment show, I'm not going to hold it to the deepest level of scrutiny.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#56063: Aug 18th 2021 at 12:31:49 PM

Hey my mom came from Hawaii to visit me here in Florida for a week so I may not be very active during that time period aside for the occasional vote

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#56064: Aug 18th 2021 at 1:16:29 PM

Alright, back to Angel - it's another tentative one, but let's check out the episode "I've Got You Under My Skin". No, I'm not talking about Ryan Anderson, cause that kid is fucking terrifying....

Who is the Ethros demon? What does he do?

...I'm talking about the demon possessing him.

In this episode, Angel is investigating one of Cordelia's visions, and it takes him to an average suburban house. However, when he gets there, he sees a little boy, Ryan, walking out of the house and straight into the street, almost getting hit by a car before Angel saves him. Later on, Angel tricks the family into eating brownies laced with something that will make the demon reveal itself, making the family realize that Ryan's been possessed by an Ethros demon.

With the demon now called to the forefront, it begins resisting the exorcism in any way it can. First, it uses Ryan's voice to manipulate his mother, calling out for her and begging her to come near him and break the ritual circle. Eventually, despite how hard Cordelia and her husband try, she comes near him - so he begins strangling her until Wesley arrives and forces him down with a chant. As Wesley continues the chant, the demon starts taunting Wes, revealing that he knows that he's primarily seeking his abusive father's approval and is hiding his fears about his incompetence, bringing all of his fears to the forefront. This shakes him so much that he stumbles in the chant and eventually loses his place, leaving the demon successful. He also reveals to Angel that Wes intends to kill him if the chance arises, splitting the two for the moment - and distracting them long enough for the demon to take advantage of Wes' rage and telekinetically stab him in the neck with his own crucifix.

At this point, as the gang recovers in the kitchen, a cup of marbles spills and magically forms the words "save me", filling the gang with more resolved to get the demon out. At this point, the demon channels the recently-deceased Doyle's voice, throwing Angel's guilt for his death right back in his face and telling him that Doyle blames him for his death. This ends up strengthening Angel's resolve to the end, making him grab a cross to do the ritual himself - he succeeds in expelling the demon, but the box they brought to retrieve his spirit breaks, so the demon's non corporeal form takes off.

Angel manages to track it down to a sea cave, where the demon remains unfazed by Angel and Wesley, telling them that he has been possessing people and corrupting souls since before his species was even named, and that Ryan was only the latest of tens of thousands of people. However, when Wes says that he didn't get Ryan's soul, the demon reveals the truth: Ryan doesn't have a soul. The demon possessed him and then got trapped in the soulless husk, forced to watch as Ryan committed atrocities for no reason at all until he eventually became suicidal. Only able to control Ryan while he was asleep, he first tried to kill himself with the car - the attempt that Angel stopped - and when that didn't work, he sent the gang the "save me" message. Having seen pure horror and wanting to die, the demon willingly submits to Angel's ax after warning him of Ryan's evil, so he lets Angel decapitate him without fighting back.

Is he Magnificent?

The demon is the very definition of a Defiant Captive. He comes within an inch of killing Ryan just to finally be free, and when that doesn't work and he gets exorcised instead, he puts up one hell of a fight, getting to the heart of everyone's issues - he manipulates Paige into breaking the circle to attack by racking her with guilt, gets straight to Wesley's daddy issues to distract him long enough, torments Angel with Doyle's voice and taunts, uses his power and Wes' own fury to stab Wes in the neck with a crucifix, and in the end, when Angel and Wes confront him, he shows no fear towards them, simply letting them strike him down in peace. Even when he's talking about how he's afraid of Ryan, he does so in a calm manner, never having any kind of breakdown and simply warning Angel of the horror that boy has within him. Overall, for someone that we don't even see until the last five minutes, he's a fierce antagonist and rolls from one target to the next easily.

There's the slight issue of the Fridge Logic regarding his motive as I described above, but... the fact is, it doesn't stop his effectiveness in what he's actually doing while he's doing it, and the fact that the episode itself doesn't call it out doesn't make me very inclined to pay a lot of attention to it.

I also wanna be clear since some of the logistics of this is weird - everything I listed in this list is stuff that we can confirm was the Ethros demon and not Ryan controlling his body. During the exorcism, it's specifically his spirit being summoned to the forefront to do the taunting, so we know that this is the demon and not just the particularly cruel child doing all the manipulating and telekinetic stuff.

Is he a Bastard?

This is much trickier because, the fact is, I can't hold him trying to kill Ryan against him - Ryan is a freaking monster and the world is better without him, even if he's a kid. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that the demon ultimately possessed Ryan in the first place because he wanted to corrupt the boy and has done this "tens of thousands" of times in the past, plus he stabs Wesley in the neck with a crucifix and chokes Paige during the exorcism. It's baby stuff in the Buffyverse, but it's there.

I guess there's the slight issue of if he's sadistic since most of his rap sheet is manipulating others with their harshest fears, but I don't really see it - he clearly takes joy in what he does, but he's a demon, that comes with the territory, and especially in the final conversation where he claims credit for tens of thousands of corrupted souls, he says it with a simple matter of fact tone that doesn't really come off too bad. Overall, even if he is slightly sadistic, it's not to a disqualifying degree.

Final verdict?

I think a yes, all things considered - what about you?

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Aug 18th 2021 at 4:24:41 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#56065: Aug 18th 2021 at 1:22:44 PM

[tup] Ethros guy.

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Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#56067: Aug 18th 2021 at 1:39:35 PM

Yes to the demon possessing Ryan.

Here's one of my own

Work Scooby-Doo: Monsters Unleashed is a Scooby-Doo live action movie following the gang's hometown being attacked by real monsters brought to life from the costumes of the originals.

Who is Jonathan Jacobo

Jonathan Jacobo is a Mad Scientist who is Faking the Dead and seeking to accomplish his ambition of creating new monsters while discrediting Mystery Inc. for arresting him in the past. He disguises himself as a reporter in order to do this.

Intelligence: He manages to create real monsters out of monster costumes by exposing them to certain chemicals. He also created a pterodactyl costume capable of actual flight and recreated a scaled-down version to escape from prison. He then faked his death after escaping, either overcoming a malfunction or pretending to have one in the first place to deliberately fake falling to his death.

When his accomplice dresses in the costume to provide him an alibi as Daphne grills Jacobo in his reporter disguise (whether the accomplice is acting independently or Jacobo gave orders to do that is unclear but the speed with which it happens suggests the later), seemingly proving Daphne wrong while Jacobo does a quick and seamless job of acting legitimately innocent, surprised, and annoyed at Daphne.

He does a good job of using his press alter ego to turn the public against the heroes and does a pretty good job impersonating that (female) reporter without tipping anyone off until the end.

His monsters come very close to catching Scooby who only barely manages to stay out of their clutches and reach the device that shuts down Jacobo's experiments.

He sets hsi mounters loose and lets them do their own strategizing rather than directing them during the key scenes where they go against the gang but that does work out pretty well for the most part.

Charm

This is the weakest area. He does have some charm but it isn't very much. He spends most of his screen time in an assumed identity who is capable of seeming polite while interviewing Mystery Inc but is clearly otu to make them look bad, or as a gloating Ax-Crazy masked figure. He does take pride in having played Eliza in the prison production of My Fair Lady and seems to have taken the role seriously. He's fairly calm and dignified after being unmasked asinde form the usual meddling kids line.

He seems to care about his monster creations and displays a brief moment of grief when they are turned back into normal costumes.

Bastard He creates real monsters and watches with glee as they attack the heroes in dangerous and lethal ways. He is obsessed with revenge against people who had every right to go after him in the first place. His monsters frighten or injure plots of innocent bystanders. He tries to frame his former cellmate and also stole the guys tater tots while they were in prison together. He openly states an intention to have his monsters destroy Coolsville.

Edited by Melinda on Aug 18th 2021 at 8:08:23 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#56068: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:06:40 PM

I can't evaluate that Melinda. I'll need an expansion or verification from someone else who's seen it.

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#56069: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:07:11 PM

[tdown] Jonathan Jacobo. Seemed like too much of a bastard with not much to balance him out from my recollections. I actually considered proposing him as a Complete Monster a couple years ago considering how murderous his monsters were; his public persona as the Evil Masked Figure scared the daylights out of me as a kid.

Edited by k410ren on Aug 18th 2021 at 5:08:06 AM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#56070: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:11:56 PM

Btw does someone have that DTB quote? I may as well add it now if someone can find it.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#56071: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:16:21 PM

[tup] Etrhos Demon. Melinda you've been asked several times to expand your EPs. I too am not evaluating this until I see an expansion.

I do think there is enough context for me to say [tup] for now, but I would've appreciated more detail.

Edited by jjjj2 on Aug 18th 2021 at 5:19:36 AM

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#56072: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:31:51 PM

[tup] to the demon

[tdown] to Jacobo

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#56073: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:31:54 PM

'Yes' to the demon, abstaining on Jacobo, been too long since I've seen the flick.

@43: Got the quote and episode in the drafts for you.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56074: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:36:05 PM

[tup] Demon

How murderous are the monsters here? I ask because this is still a Scooby-Doo property.

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#56075: Aug 18th 2021 at 2:44:03 PM

Repeated attempts to kill the heroes, particularly by the Black Knight Ghost, the 10,000 Volt Ghost, the Tar Monster, and the Miner 49er, but there's a scene where the Tar Monster starts drowning a street in... well, tar. There's a shot of one unlucky guy in the process of being strangled/drowned in his car. Plus the Evil Masked Figure (Jacobo's disguise) orders his monsters to destroy the city just so long as they get his control panel, so he gives them free rein to do whatever they want so long as they get it back.

Edited by k410ren on Aug 18th 2021 at 5:48:38 AM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills

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