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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26: May 1st 2018 at 4:42:18 PM

On further thought, they're probably more likely to do Stinger than Stature anyway, given that the Stinger costume is more obviously an offshoot of Ant-Man's costume - in the same way MCU Wasp's is.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#27: May 1st 2018 at 10:35:51 PM

I hope Ghost lives. We need her in a Thunderbolts film.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#28: May 1st 2018 at 10:39:29 PM

This last trailer makes me wary of Ghost's chances, which is a shame because - yeah - Ghost is a freaking cool villain that I want to see live.

Her hopped up on Quantum Realm energy and supposedly being out to take over the world might put her over what I like to call the "power line" depending on how the plot goes, a point where a villain becomes either so powerful or gain so much ambition that them not dying causes eventual fridge logic.

It always bugs me when a character crosses that line, because imo it's like One-Winged Angel as a shorthand for a villain being disposable from that point forth.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#29: May 1st 2018 at 10:54:50 PM

I dunno, that line "now she wants to take over the world or something" comes from Luis, with no confirmation from other characters, so I'm not sure how reliable it is. And what's more, I think they are never going to do a "saving the world" plot for the Ant-Man films.

I have the feeling that ultimately Ghost will stay close to their comic book characterisation, and the Big Bad will turn out to be someone else.

edited 1st May '18 11:02:24 PM by Nightwire

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30: May 1st 2018 at 10:59:42 PM

It's in the trailer, though (and is in fact the only information we have about her as of now), which means that at the moment it's exposition the audience is supposed to take as accurate, regardless of the source.

Unless the trailer is lying, of course. Which is certainly possible.

edited 1st May '18 11:00:07 PM by KnownUnknown

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#31: May 1st 2018 at 11:58:00 PM

I mean, they've straight up CG'd up some fake scenes for trailers before. It's not like taking a line out of context would be outrageous.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#32: May 2nd 2018 at 1:01:28 AM

This film has quite a big cast. Not including villains; Scott, Hope, Cassie, Cassie's mother Peggy, Peggy's boyfriend, his partner Gale, Luis, Luis's two partners, Hank, Bill and Janet.

odds are six of them are going to get snapped.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33: May 2nd 2018 at 2:20:12 AM

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Especially since Luis says himself that he has only heard that she stole Pym's tech and clearly is only assuming she wants to take over the world.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#34: May 2nd 2018 at 3:29:38 AM

Yeah it would be quite a disappointing leap from high-tech corporate spy to Take Over the World villain

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#35: May 2nd 2018 at 9:20:52 AM

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The exact line in the trailer is "Now she wants to take over the world or whatever", so I'm pretty comfortable saying that Luis has no idea what Ghost's objective is, but knows it would be really bad for everyone.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36: May 2nd 2018 at 12:52:21 PM

I mean, they've straight up CG'd up some fake scenes for trailers before. It's not like taking a line out of context would be outrageous.

I mean, I'm expecting that entire line to not be in the actual movie, because it's too useless as exposition and too awkward to be dialogue if we already got that exposition at the point where it would show up.

But that would mean they intentionally recorded that line specifically for the trailer, as exposition, and the only reason they would do so is because that's what they want the audience to know about Ghost before walking into the movie.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#37: May 2nd 2018 at 1:12:31 PM

I mean... there’s a pretty epic CGI shot in the Infinity War trailer that wasn’t in the movie, so...

When Cap, T'Challa, Black Widow, Bucky, Okoye, Rhodey, Falcon, and Hulk charge at the camera.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#38: May 2nd 2018 at 1:25:56 PM

I remember when the Hulk’s CG was so expensive The Avengers could barely afford 15 minutes of him. Now they can create fake shots of him for trailers. Technology’s advancing (and that New Zealand deal on CG workers is paying off....)

edited 2nd May '18 1:26:35 PM by Tuckerscreator

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39: May 2nd 2018 at 3:15:35 PM

I mean... there’s a pretty epic CGI shot in the Infinity War trailer that wasn’t in the movie, so...

And those were minor, slightly misleading action scenes, not exposition, and certainly not the only exposition we get on any particular subject at that.

edited 2nd May '18 3:15:43 PM by KnownUnknown

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40: Jun 2nd 2018 at 12:41:41 AM

Do you guys think we'll see Pfeiffer's Janet Van Dyne in a trailer before the film's release?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#41: Jun 3rd 2018 at 7:57:35 PM

[up] I'm guessing they want to keep the circumstances of her reemergence out of the marketing material entirely. So her showing up at all might clue people into those circumstances.

So overall, I'd say maybe 50:50 chance we'll get the briefest of glimpses or have the trailers/TV spots acknowledge she shows up in the movie at all, and only a 10% chance we get the slightest bit of context for whatever glimpse they show.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#43: Jun 6th 2018 at 7:58:19 PM

A question, because I'm too lazy to go through the edit history at the moment.

On the respective character page, I see Ghost is identified as Dawn/Ghost. The Dawn name was news to me. When I googled it, I came across an article from a year back discussing new characters, and Kamen's role is indeed identified as Dawn, which the article predicts means that she's Dawn Starr, who apparently is a character that is the daughter of the villain Egghead.

However, I'm wondering if the name Dawn might have just been a place-holder, since at the time of the article, it wasn't publicized that she was playing Ghost.

I mean it would be interesting if she actually was a composite of the two, but is there any basis for thinking that Dawn really is Ghost's civilian name in the movie?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#44: Jun 6th 2018 at 8:40:32 PM

Dawn being Ghost and the daughter of Egghead would be a nice plot point. It would even immediately explain her knowledge of and apparent willingness to track down and steal Hank's research: if Egghead was an enemy of his and Jan's from back in the day, and Dawn came for some kind of revenge only for everything to go extremely pear shaped for everybody involved, that would be pretty interesting.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#45: Jun 7th 2018 at 5:42:36 AM

I thought Egghead's relative was Trish Starr?

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#46: Jun 7th 2018 at 11:56:54 AM

[up]x2 That would be interesting . . . and contradicting to my own head canon that Darren Cross in the last film is a composite of the character of the same name, Egghead, Yellowjacket and Ultron.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#47: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:27:43 AM

This one snuck up really quickly, didn't it? Looking at the trailers, I'm absolutely in love with the idea of using the size-changing as a weapon. It's definitely more fun than a normal tiny action scene, or heck, even Giant Man's fighting in Civil War.

The legend has returned.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48: Jun 17th 2018 at 4:20:52 PM

They do seem to be using size shifting to good effect going by the trailers.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#49: Jun 18th 2018 at 11:12:18 AM

I wonder if this will start with a flashback like the first Ant-Man, but this time it shows how Clint Barton (Hawkeye) recruited Scott for Team Cap in the first place and it's like:

Scott: Oh hey, I know you! You're from the Avengers too! Arrow Guy!
Clint: ...Sure, I'm Arrow Guy. And you're Scott Lang, right?
Scott: That's me. What's up? I'm not getting into the Avengers, am I?
Clint: Not exactly. Cap's in trouble and I'm hoping you could help out.
Scott: You kidding? Teaming up with Captain America! What could happen?
(Cut to black, then Opening Logo, then news report talking about "Giant Human rampaging in airport")


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