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"Moments" cleanup and maintenance (Awesome, Funny, Heartwarming, Shocking, Tear Jerker)

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See here for Nightmare Fuel, which has frequent enough problems to deserve a thread of its own.

A while ago, I made a thread for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages, since they tend to attract all sorts of gushing about anything vaguely unsettling, as well as violations of Example Indentation and the Spoiler Policy among other problems. Well, other Moments pages have similar issues, though to a slightly lesser extent, so they may as well have a cleanup thread too.


"Moments" reactions should:

  • Be free of spoiler tags, in accordance with the Spoilers Off policy which states that:
    Fridge, Headscratchers, and the various Moments subpages (Tear Jerker, Moment of Awesome, etc.) are for post-viewing discussions. Spoiler tagging there defeats the purpose of the articles. You shouldn't be going there if you are worried about them.
  • Be based on things that actually have happened, not things that could happen, will happen, or might have happened. Speculation belongs only on the Wild Mass Guessing pages.
  • Have affected the writer of the entry themselves. If you don't find something funny or sad, let someone who did add it to Funny Moments or Tear Jerker.
  • Elicit a strong reaction. Not every single time a character accomplishes something is an Awesome Moment, not every attempt at comedy is a Funny Moment, not every time someone does something nice is a Heartwarming Moment, and not every unhappy event is a Tear Jerker.
  • Explain why they're so awesome/funny/sad: Zero Context Examples aren't allowed on this wiki. Your description should allow anyone to understand your reaction.

Moment images have their own Image Pickin' cleanup thead.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 3rd 2024 at 5:50:03 PM

AoeAbility Akarat bless you. from Personal Evil Tower of Ominousness Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#851: May 13th 2022 at 3:42:25 PM

Funny.Creamsicle is looking pretty bad, with only 3 examples, none of which are from the parent work.

Edited by AoeAbility on May 13th 2022 at 3:43:23 AM

You keep using the term "POV". I do not think it means what you think it means.
AoeAbility Akarat bless you. from Personal Evil Tower of Ominousness Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#853: May 18th 2022 at 1:05:11 PM

Well, the entire work seems to be one of those "collaborative fandom work" pages anyway, so it's hard to judge what really belongs there.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
AoeAbility Akarat bless you. from Personal Evil Tower of Ominousness Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#854: May 18th 2022 at 2:29:28 PM

Then again, there are only three examples, all of which are short, and at least one link is dead.

You keep using the term "POV". I do not think it means what you think it means.
GiantCicada from Washington Since: Jun, 2019
#855: May 19th 2022 at 12:27:13 AM

Funny.Bobs Burgers has this in a Meta folder:

Does anyone familiar with Bob's Burgers know when/if this actually happens on the show and if it's funny without the meta context?

MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#856: May 30th 2022 at 9:20:41 AM

Sooooo, I dropped by Count Jackula and I'm not at all sure about the "Moments of Awesome" there.



Seems like both are just about real life Social Media stuff and not anything in his actual reviews. That second one especially seems like it's just mudflinging.

[up] I have no idea. Either way the account is gone private so I can't see it. Maybe it should be taken down.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#857: Jun 2nd 2022 at 8:48:56 AM

A bit of an atypical query:

Black Mirror is a Genre Anthology where each episode is standalone with its own Recap page (eg. Recap.Black Mirror San Junipero), and most of if not all Recap pages have their own YMMV/Trivia subpages. However, some of the moments pages are organized by season:

And the following pages compile entries from across the show:

Since the individual episodes have nothing to do with each other save the occasional Easter Egg, does it make more sense to punt each entry back to the Recap pages' YMMV (if they're not long enough for their own pages) or their own subpages for organization, keeping the "series" pages for indexing (as Black Mirror does)?

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 2nd 2022 at 10:50:48 AM

underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#858: Jun 3rd 2022 at 10:56:43 PM

Funny.NCIS is a mess of improper indentation and some conversational troping.

  • The page is currently folderized by season.
  • Not all episodes of the series have a recap page, and so far I don't think I've found a YMMV for any of the recaps.

What might be the best way to break this up? Something like this:

  • "Episode Name":
    • Moment 1
    • Moment 2

(Assuming, of course, that there are multiple moments listed per episode) Or would this be better:

  • "Episode name" Has Moment 1
  • During the climax of "Episode name" the team takes the time to Moment 2

Other?

Wafer Troy Verde from the Banjo-Tooie world, meditating (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Troy Verde
#859: Jun 4th 2022 at 8:09:15 PM

Did a quick check for both of the moments pages for There Will Be Brawl. The Funny page has little context, but the Tearjerker page is fine for the most part (but has one fridge example, which I removed).

Guys how cool would it be if Super Megaforce had a green ranger...
Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
#860: Jun 5th 2022 at 1:11:36 PM

Posting this again because I didn't get a reply:

From TearJerker.Star Trek The Original Series:

  • The deaths of so many Red Shirts. Yes, the death of Red Shirts was a Running Gag, but let's be honest: Some of these deaths were very heartbreaking. I don't think the redshirt deaths were ever played as a gag, but leaving that aside, I don't think they're developed enough for their deaths to be sad.
    • Poor Yeoman Thompson, the only female red shirt to die onscreen in TOS, who was turned into a mineral cube by Rojan and crushed in "By Any Other Name." Not sure.
    • The young engineer Harper who got vaporized by a plasma flow activated by M-5 to restore its power supply. The worst part is how Daystrom tried to rationalize it as Harper simply "getting in the way." That seems more disturbing than sad.
    • While it's not mentioned afterward (figures), the two security officers who got beamed into open space while Sulu and Chekov were under the induced illusion that the ship was still in orbit of a planet in "And the Children Shall Lead." Poor guys... I don't think they were ever stated to be Sulu and Chekov's friends...
    • The death of the man who was about to be married in "Balance of Terror" and his fiancée's reaction at the end of the episode, is probably the saddest one in the series. OK, I'll admit, THAT one was sad.
    • Galloway, the young man from "The Omega Glory" who was killed not by an enemy race or savage monster, but by a rogue Starfleet captain — one of his brothers-in-arms. Not sure if that's sad or just Fridge Horror.
    • Part of this is that, Running Gag it may have become, to Kirk, the fact that these crewmen died on his watch is clearly a personal failing—he may have saved the ship, but his role as captain is to protect those men and women under his command, so to him, not coming home with everyone means he still failed. Combine that with the number of crewmen killed during the series, and the poor captain seriously comes off as a Stoic Woobie. More Fridge Horror, and again, I don't think their deaths were meant to be a gag.

For every low there is a high.
underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#861: Jun 5th 2022 at 1:49:48 PM

[up]Def keep the "Balance of Terror" one, probably with a little expansion. Otherwise... Too many generalities?

[up]x4 Sounds like it makes sense to me, but I'm fairly new to the thread...

Edited by underCoverSailsman on Jun 5th 2022 at 3:50:02 AM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#862: Jun 6th 2022 at 11:44:21 AM

  • Yeoman Thompson was used as example. She and Shea are given some limited focus in the episode, leading up to her death, and the way she's killed is lingered on. Probably because she's a woman, given the way the show handled women. So, I'd lean towards it being a keeper. However, as written, that's just a wordy ZCE. It says what happened, but it doesn't discuss the actual audience reaction to what happened. So, it'll only be a keeper if it's rewritten.
  • Agree on the Balance of Terror example.

I don't think any of the others are examples. The M-5 situation was supposed to be shocking, dramatic and disturbing. More pathos was devoted to Kirk potentially being out of a job and being called Captain Dunsel than Harper, who was barely on screen, and whose death happened so quickly it's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#863: Jun 12th 2022 at 5:01:35 PM

Question before I start trying to clean up Funny.NCIS: is it normal/expected that moments that refer to a particular episode wick to the appropriate Recap/ page? Or is it discouraged?

Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#864: Jun 12th 2022 at 5:29:59 PM

I think it's a good thing to have those links, but not a huge deal either way. If there are such links, keep them, if there aren't, it's up to you to decide if you want to add them.

underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#865: Jun 14th 2022 at 10:18:26 AM

Just reformatted the Season 1 folder on Funny.NCIS. Quick sanity check before I do other folders? Also, I'm not sure what is causing the wrong indentation in the second "Seadog" example. I thought I understood the formatting system pretty well.

supernintendo128 Semi-retired editor from My desk Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Semi-retired editor
#866: Jun 16th 2022 at 12:27:27 PM

I'm trying to overhaul The Happy Video Game Nerd page and I think the Awesome, Heartwarming, and Tearjerker pages should be cut since the Tearjerker page only has one example, the others have two each, and on the other two pages, the second example is just James Rolfe being subscribed to the channel, which to me is debatable if it qualifies for either. Also the only other entry on Awesome is just him covering the Chip n' Dale theme song which would fit better under Awesome Music.

I think we should cut these pages and move the examples to YMMV. Thoughts?

Edited by supernintendo128 on Jun 16th 2022 at 2:27:55 PM

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GenericGuy2000 I’m here, I guess. from a generic place. Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Cast away
I’m here, I guess.
#867: Jun 22nd 2022 at 5:49:57 PM

Wasn't sure whether this should go in this thread or the natter thread, but on TearJerker.Attack On Titan under this entry:

When they're tossing the bodies of the cart, it focuses on Levi's reaction alone when he sees Petra's body flung out, Slow Motion style and with a heartbreaking score in the background. That, coupled with his initial reaction to finding her dead, and later having cut off a piece of her coat to keep as a memory, only serves to imply that her feelings for him were returned. It just makes it even worse.

Someone wrote this entry:

It should be noted that the possibility of there having been any romantic feelings between these two characters, and whether it actually was Petra's crest that Levi cut off or not has never been confirmed and is entirely left open for interpretation.

This was clearly just written to contest what the first entry says and frankly feels a bit "ship war-y".

I’m gonna put some Gloom in your eye.
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#868: Jun 22nd 2022 at 5:52:04 PM

Cut cut cut!

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
supernintendo128 Semi-retired editor from My desk Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Semi-retired editor
#869: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:28:26 PM

Any thoughts about me cutting the Happy Video Game Nerd moment pages and moving them to YMMV?

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#870: Jun 23rd 2022 at 6:39:34 PM

Re: Bob's Burgers meta example

It's a multiple whammy: a meta example with a side of Weblinks Are Not Examples and some ROCEJ issues. It's getting the axe.

A better fit for it would be as a Trivia item...and it's already there.

Edited by Berrenta on Jun 23rd 2022 at 8:41:17 AM

ilovewildkratts1 Local Odd Squad Connoisseur from a nice breezy expansive meadow (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
#871: Jun 23rd 2022 at 10:26:06 PM

Gonna be parsing through all the Series.Odd Squad Moments pages. All of them need a mass cleanup to some degree or another.

The Awesome.Odd Squad page in particular is sorted in folders by character, most of which are empty and have been empty since the page's creation three years ago. Those folders that are filled are rife with bad examples, including examples that just don't qualify (most of the villains in "Flawed Squad" are, in fact, not overly loved by the fandom, just generally liked). I'd rather sort the Awesome moments by season than by character since the show has Loads And Loads Of Characters and folders by character would make the page clunky.

The NightmareFuel.Odd Squad page...is a whole 'nother story that I will also be cleaning up and adding to my list of projects. Whoo boy howdy...

Wuewuewuewuewueing my way to the bank.
Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#872: Jun 23rd 2022 at 11:24:03 PM

Guys, is it just me or does the tearjerker page for BlazBlue have a few ZC Es?

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jun 24th 2022 at 6:46:22 PM

She/Her | Currently cleaning: N/A
supernintendo128 Semi-retired editor from My desk Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Semi-retired editor
#873: Jun 24th 2022 at 5:25:45 AM

Ooookay I'm just going to take you guys' silence as the signal to go ahead and cut those HVGN moments pages.

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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#874: Jun 24th 2022 at 5:28:34 AM

[up] If there are few examples per page then go ahead and make the move.

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
supernintendo128 Semi-retired editor from My desk Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Semi-retired editor
#875: Jun 24th 2022 at 7:20:01 AM

[up] They're on the chopping block and the examples were moved to YMMV.

Also this:

  • The fact that out of all the hundreds of rip-offs and homages to the AVGN out there, James Rolfe himself subscribed to him on YouTube.

Not sure if this qualifies as either heartwarming or awesome. It'd be one thing if they were friends irl but as it stands that's like saying, hypothetically, Brian Wilson buying a Weezer album is a Heartwarming/Awesome moment since the Beach Boys heavily influenced Weezer. Thoughts?

Edited by supernintendo128 on Jun 24th 2022 at 9:22:11 AM

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