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An animated series from Vivienne Medrano, it follows the escapades of the princess of Hell as she tries to curb hell's overpopulation by creating the titular hotel to redeem souls and get them into heaven.

First trailer.

For discussion of Hazbin Hotel (2024) please go here.

Edited by Tabs on Oct 14th 2023 at 3:44:53 AM

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#3951: May 22nd 2024 at 4:08:13 PM

So, here's a random question. Were Stolas and Stella a case of Kissing Cousins? Cause it's made clear Andrealphus is Stella's brother, but traditionally Andrealphus is a member of the 72 Pillars of the Ars Goetia, being Marquis 13 compared to Stolas being Prince 5. And considering they've seemed to keep the detail that Asmodeus is a member of the Goetia family too, since Asmodeus is King 5 and has a Goetic crest in the series, unless the Marquis and the Princes are different families, something I doubt since Stolas's father Paimon is King 2, wouldn't that make Stolas and Andrealphus relatives, and in turn, make Stella Stolas's relative?

It would fit with the whole royalty thing the family has, since incest wasn't exactly uncommon in royalty for the sake of preserving the bloodline.


Side note, but if going by the 72 Pillars, then the demon in the trailer is likely not Satan like many have speculated since he isn't one of the 72 Pillars, but rather the highest ranking Goetia: Baal, which fits the whole "hoarsely voice" thing too.

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AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#3952: May 22nd 2024 at 7:12:21 PM

Okay, what if they're planning on releasing the date of when the episode releases tomorrow since that's when it's the night of the Full Moon?

AudioSpeaks2 Since: Apr, 2022
#3953: May 22nd 2024 at 7:20:01 PM

[up] Yeah maybe they'll jumpscare us

Elfkaiser Since: May, 2013
#3954: May 23rd 2024 at 2:29:05 AM

Tweet from Viv regarding The Full Moon Episode.

From the tweet:

I know a lot are expecting our next episode out this weekend. Because we are trying to make it the best it can be it’s looking much more like next week! Solid dates coming for the next eps, but this one is just a tad special, still a little cooking left to do! 🙌❤️ thank you all!

MagmaTeaMerry My Head Is On Fire from A forest somewhere Since: Sep, 2020
My Head Is On Fire
#3955: May 23rd 2024 at 3:43:12 AM

Hm, if this episode is going to be one that really shakes up the status quo, then I get wanting to give it more time to cook. It’s preferrable to them rushing it out.

… Though that leaves me wondering even more what’s going to happen. Could this be the episode where Stolas is effectively put to trial that was seen in the trailer?

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AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#3956: May 23rd 2024 at 6:57:03 AM

Really wish they said something earlier about this. Something like "Hey, we know you're excited for this episode, but it'll likely come out by the end of the month"

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#3957: May 23rd 2024 at 6:58:03 AM

[up][up][up]

(This is a joke)

Edited by ReginaldOgron5 on May 23rd 2024 at 7:01:38 AM

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MrMediaGuy2 Since: Jun, 2015
#3958: May 23rd 2024 at 11:57:52 AM

Not gonna lie, it kind of bothers me how the Hellaverse fandom is constantly coming up with conspiracy theories as to why something got delayed.

A lot of times the delay is due to something simple that doesn’t rely on complex conspiracies like “Viv is deliberately trying to disappoint her fandom” or that kind of thing. Projects from big studios get delayed all the time, so I don’t see why an indie studio should be any different.

MagmaTeaMerry My Head Is On Fire from A forest somewhere Since: Sep, 2020
My Head Is On Fire
#3959: May 23rd 2024 at 12:16:35 PM

[up] Yeah, or even just something like they THOUGHT they were gonna be on time and realized late that they weren’t for various reasons. Time-estimation can be hard to do.

I’m just glad that they CAN take a little extra time to polish up on the episode. Remember, ”A delayed product can eventually be good, a rushed product is bad forever.”

Edited by MagmaTeaMerry on May 23rd 2024 at 9:16:55 PM

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#3960: May 23rd 2024 at 12:27:44 PM

[up][up] It might have something to do with the low degree of transparency? Like, sometimes they'll go dark for three months and the only update they'll give afterward is a vague tweet. Not saying that that's their fault or that they're obligated to inform people every step of the way how production is going, but several months of radio silence (heh) is all it takes for someone to start going "ZOMG! Maybe someone died!!!!11!!"

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Zalem Since: Mar, 2024
#3961: May 23rd 2024 at 2:09:26 PM

For me I'm just confused how the trailer looks as though the next three/four episodes are pretty deep in production, yet the first one of the three isn't 100% finished yet. It makes me think there's something in the next episode that doesn't follow the normal production pipeline but I don't know outside of that (I realise productions likely cascade where some staff will be picking up the next thing while the last thing is being finished, but it's going to be very late May for a May release yet there's still no solid release date).

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#3962: May 23rd 2024 at 3:09:51 PM

@ Rebel Faction: wild mass guessMy guess is that Asmodeus is a Living Distant Ancestor (he says he's known Mammon since the start of Hell) and while the Ars Goetia are descended from him, its so many generations that it doesn't really count as incest. FDR and Eleanor were fifth cousins but no-one really cared

Elfkaiser Since: May, 2013
#3963: May 26th 2024 at 1:30:12 PM

From a tweet showcasing a panel, the crew has stated that their goal is to hopefully release the Full Moon on friday.


Youtube alternative

Edited by Elfkaiser on May 26th 2024 at 1:37:47 AM

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#3965: May 26th 2024 at 1:50:09 PM

Maybe they meant that it may release?

I don't mind waiting, I'd rather they spend as much time as necessary on it.

[down]They should probably have been more open, but overall, I'd much rather them delay it a bit to really perfect it, then release something they know could be better.

Edited by king15 on May 26th 2024 at 9:05:18 AM

AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#3966: May 26th 2024 at 1:53:30 PM

I'm kinda annoyed. They say that it's coming out in May, they then go radio silent for weeks, and then when they finally say something, it's coming out on the literal last day of the month.

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#3967: May 26th 2024 at 2:16:39 PM

I'm not sure I understand the issue. The episode is done, right? So why not just release it? It's a You Tube channel they shouldn't have any obligations for arbitrary releases.

Or is it not finished and they are doing crunch to get it out before the deadline?

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Elfkaiser Since: May, 2013
#3968: May 26th 2024 at 3:17:54 PM

I'm going to say that the trailer literally stated that the episode was going to come out on May. Going by that, the release window was very wide. It can mean at the start of the month, the middle of it, or the end. Yes, it was annoying for some of us but that's the time frame they gave and expectations should be more adjusted.

As for why they didn't release it earlier, Viv literally said in the video that they were putting finishing touches and stuff to make it the best it can be.

That's kind of the flip side of the indie format though that has to be accepted for better or worse. Not having arbitrary deadlines means that creators can make it as perfect as they want without some corpo higher ups forcing them to cut corners just to meet release dates. However without deadlines, it's going to come out way later than what we fans may want because of the desire to make it super perfect.

At the very least, the episode is going to come out and we were treated to Millie and Sallie's short to ease the wait. Imagine how much worse it would've been if the short didn't come out.

If we're being honest, patience and tempering expectations really should be reiterated as being requirements to fully enjoy indie shows due to show format, circumstances, and etc. Going by the relatively recent Jax discourse from The Amazing Digital Circus's second episode, this is really something that should be stressed further.

MagmaTeaMerry My Head Is On Fire from A forest somewhere Since: Sep, 2020
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#3969: May 26th 2024 at 9:56:36 PM

[up] Thank you for putting it all so eloquently - This is exactly what I’m thinking, too.

I understand being bothered by a lack of info and ”transparency”, but you need to remember that an indie company’s deadlines is more likely to change because they CAN take the time to make the episodes as good as possible. Like I said, I’d much prefer that an episode is late and polished than rushed out just to keep an arbitrary deadline. And time estimations are hard sometimes and shouldn’t always be taken so literally.

And, who knows - Maybe the announcement came late because they thought they WOULD get the episode out ”on time” and only realized late that they weren’t satisfied with it yet.

Could they have said something earlier? Yes, probably. But people also need to be a bit more understanding and patient. (And different indie studios also have different work methods, so going ”But [X] got [Y] out in that time, what’s [Z]’s excuse?” doesn’t say much)

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Zalem Since: Mar, 2024
#3970: May 27th 2024 at 2:18:44 AM

I don't have any complaints if the episode comes out on Friday, but I do think it's fair to be a bit critical/disappointed if the episode releases after May is over.

The trailer came out a month ago today and it didn't give quarters or broad periods for the episodes to release, but specific months. The team gave the impression that they had everything pretty locked down and there's a bunch of other factors that don't help the fandom's impatience:

- it's been a long, long while since a new episode dropped - the trailer makes it look like they have substantial portions of the next couple of episodes done, so logically it would follow that the first of the batch should be nearly - if not totally - complete - Brandon supposedly said at a convention that he and the team had watched a version of the next episode I think all the way back in Jan, giving the fanbase the impression it was pretty far along - it being kind of a wasted opportunity not to release on the actual full moon, especially since episodes have dropped on meaningful dates before & the instas used to update then too

Like imagine if after a half a year of silence Team Cherry came back with a trailer for Silksong that made it look like the game is 99% complete and that trailer committed to a specific month or day for it to drop. The fanbase are happy and hyped and everything since it's been so long, only for the end of the time frame to approach and another update to come stating that the date in the trailer was only a goal and not a set target and there might be more delays with no set release in sight.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't approve of tweeting at staff members and that kind of thing (especially since most of them aren't even responsible for the release timeline) but I don't really think it helps to tell people 'just stop being frustrated/annoyed/etc' because the whole point of having a release date trailer is that they provide a release date that's supposed to be taken literally.

Like yeah, time estimations are hard but when they're at a point that it's an estimation and not a commitment, they shouldn't have committed to it in a big trailer. It's a failure to manage expectations on their part and it mostly just leads to a fanbase becoming distrustful whenever the team does commit to something. I don't know how long it takes to perfect sound issues (I think is what was said was the problem?) but I can say Viv being so vague about what the issue is and calling the end of the month a goal rather than the crew just delivering what they promised makes me cynical the episode will come out in May at all. Which is what tends to happen when there's a failure to deliver - people stop expecting anything because it's better to have the nice surprise of an unexpected episode drop than it is to get your hopes up the date promised will be met and then get disappointed.

Going back to the video game example I tend to know that when a trailer is giving dates like Spring 2024 or Q1 2024 that the wide time range there means they don't know enough to fully commit yet and I won't be super surprised or disappointed if the release does slip a bit into the next few months even if my optimistic hope is it definitely drops by the end of that timeframe. I don't expect trailers ending with Day/Month/Year or Month/Year release dates to slip because the specificity of that suggests confidence they will make that date.

Funny thing is they've been much better about this in the past - the fandom are fairly acclimatised to the pattern of preview gifs each week leading to the next episode coming out usually the weekend of the 3rd/4th gif, but this time it's been so all over the place and vague it kinda reminds me of what happened with season 1 episode 8 when there was a bigger problem but no one knew what it was until it got shelved and s2 came out instead. I don't think full moon will totally fail to come out but I do wonder what could possibly be causing enough problems for releasing right at the end of the promised time frame and even that's not a guarantee.

Tl:dr here but I guess my point is that as long as no one is pestering the staff or being rude/disrespectful, I don't see the harm in venting in fandom spaces when it's not the fans' fault for having expectations or being disappointed when they're not met, especially in the event of the episode not dropping by Friday. Like I don't want a rushed episode either to meet an arbitrary deadline, but it's an arbitrary deadline the team themselves set; if they weren't super confident they could make it then I think they should avoid doing it in future since most fans aren't going to assume a release date in a full season trailer is arbitrary & they'll feel shortchanged by that.

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#3971: May 27th 2024 at 6:58:20 AM

[up][up] Honestly, I would love to see an indie animation try and release a whole season at once rather than episodically. Yeah, it would be a lot more work, but it might help buck some of the common fandom trends that emerge from releasing it episode by episode (impatience, complaints when it's delayed, massive amounts of Alternative Character Interpretation between episodes that gets immediately Jossed in the next one, etc). Granted I know nothing about how indie animation is produced, so maybe that's just not a feasible concept to make happen if you have to employ and pay an entire team of animators among others on an indie budget.

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
Have Faun
#3972: May 27th 2024 at 7:08:44 AM

It would solve a criticism I don't personally agree with about plotlines not coming back and characters not reappearing (because you can't judge things like this until the whole season is out, like fair enough in regard to Loona as that's a case of a main character barely appearing, but that's not really fair for like DHORKS or CHERUBS), because then they'd be able to see them appearing.

On the other hand, an episode at a time keeps interest in the series, while all at once would mean that there would be a massive spike of interest for a few months, and then it would start to dwindle. An episode at a time produces consistent interest, allowing for more sales of merchandise and more views per episode, which the funds the creation of more episodes. That's why it was smart of Viv to keep Helluva going an episode at a time, as that both created more consistent interest in the world and more money, funding the rest of Helluva but also helping her create Hazbin (the fanbase was strong, but Helluva helped keep people interested until season 1 of Hazbin came out).

So I think either approach is smart, though the episode at a time approach is probably more feasible for indies.

Zalem Since: Mar, 2024
#3973: May 27th 2024 at 8:31:34 AM

Yeah, I think an approach that lands somewhere in the middle is probably best. You definitely don't want the Netflix binge model approach for indie animation but a somewhat steadier release schedule of going on hiatus for awhile then returning with an episode every month/fortnight what have you gives breathing room for fans to congregate and discuss it without it feeling so far apart that storylines being dropped for several episodes at a time feels like less of a big deal

AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#3974: May 27th 2024 at 5:46:35 PM

Oh, and there's also the fact that after Apology Tour, we're going to have to wait until October for Ghostfuckers. So more waiting. Yaaaaaay.

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#3975: May 28th 2024 at 12:51:08 PM

I need a palette cleanser. I just saw a goddawful fancomic referencing Quagmire tearing into Brian, but with Loona as Brian and Tex as Quagmire, and seeing it as well as the rather disgusting things the commissioner of the fancomic said, it's all just... *ugh*. Anyone got some cute fanart to make me forget this crap?

Edited by RebelFalcon on May 28th 2024 at 4:04:41 AM

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