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An animated series from Vivienne Medrano, it follows the escapades of the princess of Hell as she tries to curb hell's overpopulation by creating the titular hotel to redeem souls and get them into heaven.

First trailer.

For discussion of Hazbin Hotel (2024) please go here.

Edited by Tabs on Oct 14th 2023 at 3:44:53 AM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#301: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:09:11 AM

[up] Given Cherri is supposed to have taught Angel when Angel arrived in Hell, we know for sure she lived before him. Other than that... not really sure.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#302: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:11:04 AM

Queen Charlie the tyrant. She could end up like that.

We already know that beneath the surface there's a terrifying demon waiting to erupt out of Charlie.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#303: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:12:37 AM

And that's how we know why the Royal Family are the top dogs in all of Hell.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#304: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:13:12 AM

On plus side, we were shown he has her limits and is gonna fight back without going One-Winged Angel

she whooped Katie's ass good

So yeah she would definitely throw a punch or a kick if someone proves repeatedly rude, disrespectful and provocative and just be herself, not let her inner demon overtake. That can change...

So yeah, this is also a test for Charlie if her convinctions are strong, if she'd trudge on despite everything else.

Edited by Dhiruxide on Nov 4th 2019 at 6:15:44 PM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#305: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:14:51 AM

Royal family or not, nobody in Hell has any respect for them. Not just for Charlie, for Lilith or Lucifer either which I found kinda weird. Not respecting oddball "left here from a Disney movie/Broadway musical" Charlie is something I can see Hell's denizens do but her parents are another category.

As for this being a test not for the others but for Charlie... Yeah Alastor is going to screw with that any chance he gets isn't he.

Edited by akanesarumara on Nov 4th 2019 at 6:15:33 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#306: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:16:06 AM

It's Hell. Genuine respect is not a thing there. Fear yes, but not respect.

And it kind of makes sense no one respects Lucifer. He's not really Hell's ruler if one thinks about it — he's just its first prisoner.

Edited by M84 on Nov 5th 2019 at 1:16:26 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#307: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:16:18 AM

How involved are they? Where are they in Hell? In pilot everything's chaos, her daughter became a laughingstock and more.

You'd think they'd throw their weight around and remind them who they're dealing with.

I dunno, I feel like Lucifer would've retaliated

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#308: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:17:25 AM

One also gets the feeling that maybe Lucifer and Lilith just don't give a shit anymore.

Disgusted, but not surprised
akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#309: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:19:30 AM

They sure a f seem to have given up on Charlie. Poor girl can't even get her mom on the phone.

Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#310: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:20:29 AM

They're probably sucking and fucking somewhere in the ass end of Hell on their honeymoon or something

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#311: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:22:22 AM

They prolly fall under the idea that as their kid Charlie should be able to deal with her own problems.

And this includes being bullied. Charlie is "taking shit from other demons" which goes against the words received from her father. If someone mocked Lucifer or Lilith to their faces, its obvious things would not end well for the mocker.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 4th 2019 at 9:23:19 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#312: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:25:37 AM

While Charlie has her limits, she tries to be tolerant. She knows fighting back and being rude back won't work so she tries to limit it. She does want to show non-violence is the way to go, even if she puts up with disrespect.

But if you're someone like Katie who intentionally presses her button repeatedly without any care in Hell, well... you deserve a kick in your face

Also I'm in love with those two demon chicks near beginning when they did Rosie's job of killing Franklin with the divine spear. Especially the one in science labcoat.

Edited by Dhiruxide on Nov 4th 2019 at 6:26:43 PM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#313: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:26:07 AM

Fair is fair, as pointed out, she didn't exactly take Katie's thing lying down. True she didn't maim Katie or anything as far as we saw but she did fight back and gave as good as she got (even getting away without a scratch).

She also didn't fall for Alastor's deal even if she did add Alastor is free to leave when suits him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#314: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:26:13 AM

They might think it's weird that Charlie is letting herself be pushed around by demons she could tear apart limb from limb if she really went all out.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#315: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:27:27 AM

Hey if Alastor can take control of the room just by being there then logically Charlie should be able too.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#316: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:28:49 AM

Anyone find it weird Alastor expected the daughter of Lucifer to shake his hands and make a deal?

How the hell would it work when Charlie is the daughter of OG? I find it weird, it wouldn't have any effect. Vaggie or Angel, yes, but Charlie? I can't see it

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#317: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:29:17 AM

Which reminds me... just imagine Lucifer's face when hearing Alastor's broadcast from way back when he went on that legendary carnage.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#318: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:31:15 AM

[up][up][up]Alastor's able to do that because he immediately proved to the rest of Hell that he's not a pushover. Charlie hasn't done that yet.

[up][up]Depending on how Alastor's deals work and what kind of power is behind them, I doubt even a demon of Charlie's lineage could break one without consequences.

Alastor probably figured it was worth a shot since everything up to that point had shown him that Charlie's not particularly wise.

[up]I imagine Lucifer's reaction was mild curiosity that quickly faded. He's been in Hell long enough that he probably just Stopped Caring for the most part.

Edited by M84 on Nov 5th 2019 at 1:35:10 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#319: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:37:04 AM

Okay, so Lucifer being the OG fallen angel... what if he actually hopes Charlie's plan works.

I mean, what if he devises a plan to invade Heaven with it and enact revenge on God? It could be like a Trojan Horse. Like God actually becomes impressed with Charlie's handiwork and somehow subverted and disposed of Alastor, only for Lucifer to ruin it all and invade Heaven? And of course, it spectacularly backfires and...

Like M84 said, Hell is repetition. Only this time you inconvenienced God, you'll wish it was like before.

Okay so I ran out of things to muse about and uhhh...dunno what else to add.

Edited by Dhiruxide on Nov 4th 2019 at 6:43:05 PM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#320: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:37:56 AM

[up][up] Not sure but I'd say the thought occurred to him that Alastor may be coming for him next.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#321: Nov 4th 2019 at 9:42:52 AM

My guess is that Lucifer is so jaded and bored after untold ages in Hell that he almost wished Alastor would take a crack at him.

Disgusted, but not surprised
akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#322: Nov 4th 2019 at 10:01:32 AM

[up] Maybe though I can only see anyone thinking "I'd love to see him try" if they were 100% certain Alastor didn't get his hands on some of that angel weaponry the Exterminators leave behind after each purge that goes around on the black market. I mean those can permanently kill demons and I'd say if you know there is only one thing that can kill you you fear that one thing even more.

Also, remember, Alastor never took any turf from the overlords he toppled. That's gotta confuse people ("he's a new arrival, he can't be that bored yet, but if not for turf or out of sheer boredom, why is he doing this?!")

That said... if he didn't permakill the overlords and didn't take the turf, that is an effective "don't fucking try me" message without painting a huge "topple the little upstart" sign on his back at the same time.

Edited by akanesarumara on Nov 4th 2019 at 7:07:12 PM

Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#323: Nov 4th 2019 at 10:05:02 AM

Here's a stupid thought: some demons actually tried to attack Exterminators, hoping to do anything.

And...okay one more thing to muse about: I know overpopulation is a thing, but do Exterminators have predetermined or set targets, or do they go after everyone in vicinity?

Demons like Angel, Vaggie, Pentious, Cherri and few more are still around.

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#324: Nov 4th 2019 at 10:05:36 AM

Charlie seems to have a demonic side interestingly enough, she has shown it during her music numbers.

As for Lilith and Lucifer. I think that chances are either they are not the best parents or they are too busy to help Charlie. Lucifer may be more antagonistic towards Charlie but I imagine he doesn't like her plan because he knows that sadly it wouldn't work cause God wouldn't let sinners be redeemed. Lilith I am not sure. I imagine she is busy and that's why she wasn't on the phone with Charlie but whom knows.

Hell could have paperwork.

[up]I imagine the Angels would have targets? But they might kill demons indiscriminately on the way.

They could be killing anyone wantonly anyways instead of going for the bigtime demons as the bigtime ones may be harder to kill and probably have killed Angels before.

Edited by Wispy on Nov 4th 2019 at 10:10:11 AM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#325: Nov 4th 2019 at 10:08:20 AM

[up][up] I'd say everyone in the vicinity. When Charlie sends up the fireworks, windows open and demons go to the streets in response, meaning anyone who can, barricades themselves inside buildings as best as possible.


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