Infinity War spoiler thread

I though flash speed was that.

Tobias: well, the spider sense is that...a sense, of Venom bound with Peter then it means he register as him rather than a enemy.

Well, I mean ultimate in the sense that it comes with a built-in excuse, rather than ultimate because they do it a lot.

Spider sense is one that's quite hard to show without relying on Snyder style slow mo. Though sometimes the comics play it as more passive yet permanently "on" for example how he always manages to snag webs perfectly without even aiming.

I liked how they portrayed it in TAS 2. One of the few good aspects of the movie.

That scene with Spidey saving people in slow motion on metal benches while lightning arcs towards them and a bus flies overhead is fucking amazing. Like, whatever flaws the movie had with pacing and story structure, that scene is phenomenal.

Imo, the movie all the way up to the end of the first Electro battle is great. The opening scene, imo, is the best, most quintessential "Spider-Man in action" scene ever set to film, Electro's origin hits all the notes it intends to, and Peter's something of a creeper where Gwen in concerned but the romantic arc isn't too bad.

Then right after Electro is defeated, that's when everything starts to fall apart and the movie squanders what it built up.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 5th 2018 at 7:40:08 AM

I found Electro's origin to be the kind of ridiculous slapstick writing commonly seen in Silver Age comics and pre-MCU superhero films.

Dude's doing some work in a SCIENCE LAB when he pratfalls and accidentally falls into a SCIENCE TANK with terrible safety features, where an army of SCIENCE EELS murder him into having superpowers. Like. There is no way to take any of that scene seriously. It manages to stand out as the worst safety failure in a company where one man injected himself with lizard DNA and another guy walked blindly into the Spinning Room of Magic Super-Spiders.

But I was willing to give the cheesiness of Electro's origin a pass right up until he met Dr. Nazi, the Evil German Torture King.

Electro's Amazing origin is actually even goofier than his actual Silver Age origin, which had him get electricity superpowers by being struck by lightning while working on a telephone pole.

It's sad when an attempt to do a more 'plausible' style ultimate origin is ultimately more ludicrous

For some movies, imo you can pinpoint an exact moment where everything just stops working. For Iron Man 3, for example, imo the moment is the point where Killian breathes fire: after that, the writers just plain stop caring about the plot.

For Amazing 2, it's "don't you know? I'm Electro!"

... was it meant to be plausible? It's so over-the-top that honestly I think it's supposed to be played-for-laughs.

Like, say, Sandman in SMIII just seemed ridiculous to me because it was nonsensical, but seemed to try to handwave it ("There's something there!" "Probably a bird, it'll fly away.") whereas this was "FUCK IT. EELS."

I don't think you're going to get an origin for Electro that grounded in any sense.

The most grounded origin for Electro I could see is giving him the "struck by lightning while working on a telephone wire" origin, but also say that the two different sources and types of electricity activated his dormant mutant or Inhuman gene. And that's only grounded as far as the rules of the setting say it is.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 5th 2018 at 8:11:16 AM

The fact that he was grounded was his problem

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Electro and the Sandman feel like they'd make a good villian team for a film... the cue water incapacitating both at once.

Anyway, I don't want to discuss TAS spiderman movies in detail because it doesn't really matter for the MCU except this one aspect: Those movies did an amazing (no pun intended) in portraying Peter's powers. You always knew when he reached the limits of his abilities, the way his swinging around was shot was engaging (frankly, I wish the MCU would be a little bit closer to that) and I can't praise the time square scene enough. It is just really clever how the movie slows down just to show the audience "okay, this is all the stuff Peter is able to notice in this split second" just to speed up again immediately. It's slowmo used right.

The MCU does well showing Peter's limits, too, but sometimes I feel his movements aso could be a little bit more, well, spectacular.

""There's something there!" "Probably a bird, it'll fly away.""

Well, that could be belive, is clumsy but easy to see.

Now super EELS......yeah, it dosnet help that electro remind me of the riddle of batman movie.

I believe in (once again) The Spectacular Spiderman, Electro got his powers while fixing a Electric Eel Tank for Curt Conners.

The latter had been doing some experiments, and when the tank malfunctioned while Max was working on it, he got the eels all over him and that changed him. It was the combination of the Eels being genetically altered and their electricity that did it.

I don't think I'm doing it justice though: it sounds as silly as Tobias made TAS II Electro sounds (and it does sound pretty silly).

I feel like it's hard to get a superpower origin right. If you try to go 'realistic' that rules out most powers. Going down the sci fi route seems to be 'pick a phlebotinum', especially things that exist but don't work like that (radiation, genetic modification, etc) while using magic immediately turns it into fantasy. I guess it's a matter of getting the willing suspension of disbelief right.

All Banner SHOULD have got from that explosion is death, either disintegration or acute radiation poisoning. Its really very silly in its glorious silver ageness.

That's accurate.

This is one of many areas where live-action is trickier than animated mediums. You have more leeway in a cartoon or comic for suspension of disbelief because the nature of the medium is fundamentally less "real". Once you put live actors on a screen, the brain has a higher standard for "realness".

Many a live-action adaptation has failed because the producers thought you could just do the same thing you would do in a cartoon, but with live actors. However, when executed well, that higher standard of realness can produce a result that's so much cooler than anything animation can provide because it feels like something that could literally happen.

Even though we all know it's not, it feels like it is. That's something animation can't really offer.

So it's always a gamble. Done poorly, you have Howard the Duck. Done well, you have Rocket Raccoon.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2018 at 9:55:20 AM

I admit, live action superhero stuff has come a long way.

Though as a whole while there's been stuff like the previous Flash Series and the Dean Cain Superman series, Japan has had the West beat on that front since at least the 70's, what with both Kamen Rider and Super Sentai.

Then again, they also have a much simpler and more kid friendly view of Superheroes as well.