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Steve doesn't actually care about the nationality of either Strucker or Ernstein. He's just bringing it up to highlight the parallel between him and the Maximoffs.
It's not about being German. It's about being German and having a connection with HYDRA. The only context where being German is notable is if you're connected with Nazis, and that's why he bothers to mention it as a parallel. This is incredibly obvious, I can't believe I have to explain this.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 11th 2018 at 9:21:09 AM
"In response to a question about whether half of the animals died as well—citing dogs and ants, specifically—Feige replied: "Yes! Yes. All life."
Depending on how strictly we're to take "all life," that would include plants as well, which would undermine Thanos' entire plan to solve resource scarcity. Plus killing half the animals will mean sudden shortages of other food sources, but they don't call him the Mad Titan for his well-reasoned plans.
Despite this obvious oversight, Thanos has gathered a fan following. The subreddit r/thanosdidnothingwrong recently engaged in a wild stunt, mass-banning half of its users and turning them into virtual carbon dust. It did this with the blessing of Thanos actor Josh Brolin, though, so at least it's all on-the-level."
If that also includes cellular organisms and bacteria the survivors aren't probably in good shape.
Again, being German is completely irrelevant to the conversation. Hill doesn't bring it up, she doesn't talk about it at all, her issue with Strucker isn't that he's German.
Edited by windleopard on Jul 11th 2018 at 10:04:41 AM
Honestly, that reeks of Author's Saving Throw because they didn't expect Thanos to have so much Rooting for the Empire. If it was the intention from the getgo, it would've been effortless to do; show one of the Wakandan war-rhinos being dusted.
I could see some "animals" being dusted. Whales, dolphins, most primates, and a number of pet species are arguably sapient but we don't really acknowledge that. But having half of all animals being dusted simply doesn't fit with what we are shown, and all life, including plants, is even worse. The Snap occurred in the middle of a forest, and we didn't see half the trees turn to dust.
It's not about whether the plan makes sense or not, it's about whether the effects match what we are shown.
This movie has an odd relationship with showing and not telling. We're supposed to think the Hulk isn't fighting because he's selfish when all evidence in screen points to him being afraid of Thanos. We're supposed to think Thor went for the chest because he wanted to gloat when nothing indicates he'd know the only way to kill Thanos was to go for the head and the position of the axe means Thor would have to go for a chest shot anyway.
We see Thor pause to gloat.
That is on the screen.
Yeah because he thought he'd won not because he only wanted to gloat.
I mean, are you telling me he wouldn't have gloated if he'd gone for a head shot anyway?
Steve doesn't emphasise the German part because he has an issue with Germans, but in order to point out to Hill the parallels. Hill is basically saying "it is nuts to let some foreigner experiment on you" and Steve is saying "well, this is basically what I did out of patriotism", pointing out that from the point of view of the Sokovians, they are the ones under attack. All the time.
Gloating when the bad guy is actually dead is a different matter.
And once again, Hill's part in the dialogue makes no mention of Strucker's nationality. It means nothing to her. She doesn't care. Steve for some reason does.
Even with the beat down there wasn't much to suggest he was, Hulk refused to fight any of the Black Order or their mooks.
I understood it as that Thor specifically wanted to make Thanos suffer, that's why he waited until he pushed the axe slowly deeper into his chest. Thanos wouldn't have suffered at all if Thor immediately went for the head.
I agree with the part about the Hulk, though, almost everyone online interpreted it as Hulk being afraid until the Russos clarified how it really was meant.
Edited by Hjortron18 on Jul 11th 2018 at 7:43:25 PM
Steve only mentioned the fact that Strucker is German because it was a parallel between him and Erskine, not because he or Hill actually cared about Strucker being German. It was just to show a similarity, nothing more. It's actually a fairly unimportant part of his statement, I don't know why you're focusing on it.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 11th 2018 at 10:44:49 AM
I mean, his gloat wasn't just "I won." His gloat was specifically gloating about killing Thanos, not just beating him. He only hesitated to finish the job to gloat.
Don't blame him for it, but that is clearly what happened.
Thor went for a Pre-Mortem One-Liner when he should have done a Post-Mortem One-Liner. But gloating to a corpse just doesn't feel the same. For the sake of his wounded pride, he wanted Thanos to acknowledge that he'd been beaten. His fragile masculinity desperately craved vindication from the man who'd humiliated him previously.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 11th 2018 at 12:01:15 PM
I mean it was more for revenge than his own humiliation. Look at Hela. Thors willing to have conversation with her first despite her being way out of his league and thinking she's just the worst.
Thanos happens to be that kind of strong, undermines how many Asgardians survived, killed his brother, and Heimdall one of the few high ranking Asgardians left gives up his life.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Revenge for his people and his friends is why he wanted to kill Thanos. Revenge for his precious ego is why he took his sweet time rubbing his balls on Thanos's face first.
Thor has a good heart but his masculinity is very fragile. He's a confident, charming, and likable guy as long as everyone agrees that he's the biggest, strongest guy in the room. But the second he encounters an equal or worse, a superior, he falls utterly to pieces like so many hammer shards hitting the Scotland turf.
He lacks true confidence. He's cocky and braggadocious because his masculinity craves validation. His ego is wrapped up not in his own personal strength, but in the strength of his toys. He perceives himself as only being so strong as Mjolnir permits him to be; he's terrified that the hammer is the one that's truly strong, and he is merely its vessel. He can only be a man so long as he is Worthy of Mjolnir. It acts as the gatekeeper for his entire identity.
Thor is the strongest man around and yet utterly petrified of his own weakness. When Banner learns about their arena fight, he asks if he'd won. Thor could tell him the truth, but is instead compelled to lie and say, "I won. Easily." The truth is that Thor by all rights should have won, but the battle was hard fought and the final blow stolen by a third party.
But that's not what he says. He says it was easy. He can't bring himself to admit that the Hulk even pushed him. He's lost his hammer and, with it, his sense of identity. Now he desperately needs Banner to look him in the eyes and tell him, "You are the manliest man to ever man some manliness."
The "God of Hammers" speech saw Thor realizing his true worth as a person and finally self-actualizing. This directly corresponds to him realizing that the way to defeat Hela was not to be the Awesomest Violence Lord around, but to cede the field to someone who could do it better than he could. It's a critical moment of his journey.
...but then Infinity War came along and Thanos broke him. And the first thing he did was run crying to a new Mjolnir to restore his fractured self-worth, and then try to do to Thanos what he'd previously tried doing to Banner. And now he's the God of Axes and half the universe has been annihilated because he wasted time begging a wounded Thanos to declare him manly again. So much for that.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 11th 2018 at 12:57:25 PM
Thanos destroyed half the plant life too? But Wakanda still looked just as leafy at the end.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 11th 2018 at 12:45:32 PM
That's what I was saying. Feige emphasized "ALL life," but I assume he just didn't think it through because that makes no sense.
This is a really random possibility, but I wonder what would have happened if Thanos and Ego has pulled off their master plans at the same time, with Ego spreading like a virus with extensions of himself as the galaxy's only life forms. Would the Snap have killed half of Ego, or all of him?
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 11th 2018 at 12:52:51 PM
Thatís actually a pretty good question.
x3,x4 I have had this exact argument today.
RE: The Snap probably killing half of the world's animals and plants:
Sigh, as if we needed more reason to hate Thanos...
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 11th 2018 at 4:54:48 AM
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