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I always figured that goblins reproduce in gaggles, as in, one woman would give birth to a number of them in one sitting rather than just a single goblin. That would explain at least some of the inconsistency and would make the number of abducted women smaller than it would be for the 1-to-1 birth rate.
And... actually, assuming the GS-verse population is steady enough to support such a tide of fresh Adventurers (which is another can of worms to open), it's likely most newbies just have an extremely rose-colored view of the profession. A lone goblin, or even a few goblins, in the wild is seen as an extremely inconsequential threat that anyone with a length of stick can chase away, much less people who received some kind of training (Fighter and Wizard from the First Ep party both have that background, at least).
Any attempt to explain that, no, cleaning a goblin nest is whole another thing entirely, falls on deaf ears. Why higher-tag Adventurers don't caution overeager newbies is beyond me, but it's likely they would not listen to a sheepish clerk issuing the same warning.
They reproduce in a matter of days. I think the Year One novelization came close to outright saying it only took 2-3 days, though the beginning already put it at something close to that. The guild will actively warn off newbies from going after a nest if their group is too small to be considered capable of handling it.
Edited by doineedaname on Nov 4th 2019 at 11:51:34 AM
Kinda advise you to rethink the premise of "A critique of racial issues in fiction means you want racism and can't live without it."
Especially a work dealing as a purported deconstruction of high fantasy, which has had sketchy racial issues baked in for a long, long time.
Yeah, this is a classic case of 'see what you want to,' and claiming that "I'm so awake" is not doing your position favors. You're not far removed from yelling about 'SJW ruin everything' with this.
Edited by Lightysnake on Nov 4th 2019 at 11:26:25 AM
Your terms are acceptable.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I mean, Its racist by the simple nature of the premise
cause it is a series revolving around well the extermination of a Race, I mean Goblin Slayer is going for extinction, I mean he's pretty much Eren Jeager'd 'I'm gonna kill them all'
The argument as I follow it "is presenting any form of pro-racism whether fantastical or otherwise good for the cultural product" since We as Human have never had to deal with another sapient society different from us. The concept of Other intelligent societies is... Alien to us
and lord knows what we as humans would react to creatures such as the Skaven or GS's goblins science for the majority of our existence we spend our time dehumanizing each other to justify the atrocities we sow.
Essentially showing Racism as a positive is intolerable regardless of setting cause it sets a precedent that Racism is tolerable in specific situations or targets.
IE any normalization is too much normalization. Basically its a moral argument under a criticism.
That's atleast what I think the point is
This is an outrage against Luminara!I am not really sure if GS is really worth going into such deep discussions about this topic since the story really makes it very clear that goblins are born evil, and that sparing them can have dire consequences. Lot R at least portrayed some orcs who were not really happy about going to war, but even this small ambiguity is absent in GS. Goblins are painted as an existential threat to humans and so far there is no indication that this might not be the case.
I would not mind it too much if this were subverted later on, similar to Eren's "I will exterminate the titans" got eventually subverted. But as it stands right now, the humans in the setting are fully justified to exterminate the goblins, just as the humans in Warhammer 40k are justified in exterminating the tyranids or orcs (not that they are really capable of doing so).
Edited by Zarastro on Nov 4th 2019 at 9:33:03 PM
There's a question if they're even really a naturally occuring species to begin with. The Goblin Slayer tabletop game had a lot of world building details in it and mentioned that there's a spell used to create goblins. They don't live long but if you were an extremely immoral monster with some prisoners...
Edited by doineedaname on Nov 4th 2019 at 3:32:37 PM
I think that's ultimately the issue a lot of people have with it, that 'all goblins are born bad, no good ones, show mercy to them and you will be murdered when you turn your back, even to the children.' That can leave a bad taste...LOTR had brougt this up and Tolkien was famously unhappy with how he portrayed the orcs.
Not even to say I hate the series. I think a number of characters are fun and it's best when it focuses on the adventure side, or other plots.
Edited by Lightysnake on Nov 4th 2019 at 12:37:02 PM
I'dont know the tabletop, or indeed much of the lore, but I suspect that this is where GS is heading to.
It is a lazy fantasy trope (though it can be justified sometimes), and I can understand why it can people turn off. I mean I always stopped Year One because of the gratuitous rape scene in the first chapter (I really wish the scene had not been included, since none of the following chapters came anywhere close to this).
Edited by Zarastro on Nov 4th 2019 at 9:36:34 PM
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but that's the whole bit about Thermians where you can't justify something by using the in universe rules
I mean the simple answer is, Someone sees a pro racism argument cause they see a pro racism argument you can't really tell them their wrong
just like if someone says they find the ending of Avengers Endgame Moral abhorrent Due to Tony having godlike power and choosing to kill Thanos and the Order cause they have deep moral views on killing is never justified.
Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Nov 4th 2019 at 2:40:51 PM
This is an outrage against Luminara!
Well, you could always argue that Tony should have created a special prison for Thanos and his followers from which they are incapable of escaping. Because strictly speaking, Tony sentenced Thanos to death and executed him.
That being said, few would probably believe that leaving the guy alive who literally wanted to erase the universe would be a good idea. It is just one of the cases where our morals hardly apply anymore. I mean you can argue (so would I) that the death penalty is wrong, and since there is no inherent risk in imprisoning a human being instead of executing him on a cosmic scale, it is a valid position.
Edited by Zarastro on Nov 4th 2019 at 9:47:56 PM
Might be a little on the off-topic side, but should the Thermian argument be treated as such an absolute truth?
I mean, by that logic, the entire moral argument about killing Thanos is void because no one in real life would be capable of having godlike powers or killing people on a cosmic scale. Or am I misuderstanding something, here?
If you'll forgive me for the double post, but I'm surprised no one ever compared this one with Orcs Must Die!.
BTW, in fairness, I don't see it being the author's intention to create something "unlike other fantasy series", quite the opposite, it wears its tabletop influence on its sleeve pretty blatantly.
But of course, I'm just speculating, here.
One has to consider the circumstances of Goblin extermination quests. They happen because Goblins are attacking people. It's not a case of Goblins just minding their own business.
And in Orcs Must Die!, they have to, well, die because they are trying to invade the world and nothing can really dissuade them from doing so.
Edited by M84 on Nov 4th 2019 at 9:32:25 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedIt is generally played for comedy, though in the first game the Apprentice does wise up and realize that he's just delaying the inevitable since he's just one guy up against a vast army.
Disgusted, but not surprisedI get were these come from, but I find it hard to, I suppose the correct verb is "take seriously" but I don't want to sound like an asshole, is that there's nothing with the goblins that allow me to make any sort of parallel with any real life ethnicity.
To take the Tolkien Orcs as an exemple, there's a very uncomfortable Hordes from the East, and considering how LOTR is very inspired by chivalric romance and medieval Europe, it brings to mind people like the Turks and Mongols who once threatned Europe, which can certainly make the Orc's portrayal as Always Chaotic Evil a bit unnerving at times.
Now, Tolkien himself probably noticed that, hence why he was unhappy with it, but in Goblin Slayer there's nothing of the sort, far as I can tell: the goblins are a bunch of cavemen at best, barely a step above the Horde of Alien Locusts like the BETA.
That's about all I have to say on the subject, which I'll proceed to ignore from now on.

Just watched that episode, the phrasing used was "worth a King's ransom".
Which, in layman's terms, translates to "a fuckton of money".
Edited by HailMuffins on Nov 4th 2019 at 1:26:10 PM