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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#76: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:00:36 PM

and then the hero kills a bunch of children

No, he killed Goblin children.

Maybe I'm just hard to impress, but there's been like a zillion DND "inexperienced adventurers run headlong into danger and pay for it" stories that are much better than this was.

Not many of them treat Goblins and Slimes as actual threats though.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 6th 2018 at 5:04:24 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#77: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:10:24 PM

I'm not sure that qualifier makes it better. Like, that scene serves no purpose but to go "isn't this serious and edgy?'"

I mean...the "goblins and orcs as serious threats and/or fleshed out characters" isn't really new either.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#78: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:21:20 PM

Orcs are usually treated as serious threats, far more often than Goblins.

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#79: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:31:12 PM

And I've rarely seen a series that treats slimes as not a joke, even a lethal joke.

And the whole point is that DnD doesn't always do Reality Ensues. How could it? Any campaign is going to revolve around the player party and what immediately concerns them, and few, if any, DMs are going to go to the trouble of outlining everything happening in the world concurrently and what changes occur due to the party's actions.

Why is something like an adventurer's guild necessary? Because guards and the army can't take care of every problem. Why not? Cuz there's way too many monsters and also an ongoing war with demons and the forces of darkness that are tying up troops. So what happens when adventurers who are only in it for the money decide to not do high-risk, low-paying quests? The monsters multiply because nobody's keeping their numbers down and low-level newbies get stuck trying to clean up the mess.

Edited by danime91 on Oct 6th 2018 at 2:39:39 AM

gropcbf from France Since: Sep, 2017
#80: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:40:34 PM

This feels like the fantasy version of The Searchers (goblins would be the Comanche).

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#81: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:47:44 PM

[up][up] My point was this stuff has been explored before, and without resorting to edgy garbage.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82: Oct 6th 2018 at 3:00:45 PM

I wouldn’t really call it garbage.

It’s just edge & I think this is as worst as it gets.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#83: Oct 6th 2018 at 3:05:33 PM

So being brutal is automatically edgy?

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Exactly.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 6th 2018 at 6:06:02 AM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#84: Oct 6th 2018 at 3:07:58 PM

[up][up][up]Can we just agree that the term "edge" has been overused and misused to hell and back so that it pretty much equates to "somewhat dark thing I don't like"? Seriously, you can say that the rape is gratuitous or that the total party wipe was over-the-top or whatever, but it all serves a purpose. Goblins are murderous, Always Chaotic Evil scum, they rape women, they're a serious threat in numbers, and not even their children deserve mercy. What happened in this episode shows that. Now that the focus has shifted to the true protagonist, Goblin Slayer, who is in DnD terms a mid-to-high level player whose favored target is goblinoids, we'll be having significantly less of the edgy stuff because we'll be following a dude who actually knows his shit.

Edited by danime91 on Oct 6th 2018 at 3:10:16 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#85: Oct 6th 2018 at 3:49:41 PM

Being 'brutal' is one thing. 'Edgy' is what happens when you craft a scenario for a group of characters to do nothing save die pointlessly while the monsters are, for some reason, mass rapists as a race, who promptly sexually assault one member of the group and other women, with the hero being a broken man who lives for nothing more than killing goblins to come in and finish them off...and just so we really, really get it, he slaughters the goblin chldren, too.

That is what we call edgy. And the argument of "well, it's not all like this" doesn't change that the writer thought this was a good intro.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#86: Oct 6th 2018 at 3:55:29 PM

I, too, feel the term is over-used all to heck. Goblin Slayer is no more edgy than Berserk or Spawn, if not as refined or visually impressive.

I haven't watched the episode yet, but if it's based off of the manga then I imagine it's "gratuitous" at points but otherwise "Berserk-lite" like I said at the beginning. The presence of a protagonist who can actually fight the rapey goblins lessens the "edginess" to me.

Being 'brutal' is one thing. 'Edgy' is what happens when you craft a scenario for a group of characters to do nothing save die pointlessly while the monsters are,

If crafting scenarios for groups of characters who die "pointlessly" is "too much edge" than you might not care for Attack On Titan, DOOM, Spawn, or most comic books from the 90's, or pretty much any work with a Bolivian Army Ending either.

Edited by Soble on Oct 6th 2018 at 3:56:32 AM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#87: Oct 6th 2018 at 3:56:48 PM

Goblin Slayer is no more edgy than Berserk or Spawn, if not as refined or visually impressive.

I'm...not quite sure this statement is as vindicating as you might have thought...like, Berserk has become considerably less gratuitously grimdark from the earlier volumes, but...Spawn in the 90s?

When the story is cramming in every horrible thing it can think of to the first episode as an intro? Then we just hit a status of where it starts being silly. Dark works don't have to be badly written....and there's Akame ga Kill.

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 6th 2018 at 4:27:51 AM

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#88: Oct 6th 2018 at 4:01:04 PM

I haven't watched the episode yet, but if it's based off of the manga then I imagine it's "gratuitous" at points

So far IIRC it's more in line with the novel than manga.

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#89: Oct 6th 2018 at 4:38:30 PM

Having seen the first episode myself, I liked it a lot.

Yes, its dark.

So what? Its not darker than something you see from Other Dark Fantasy series, like Ralph Bakshi's Wizards.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#90: Oct 6th 2018 at 4:45:26 PM

Wizards had an actual point to it. That might as well be "anti-fascism, the movie"

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#91: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:06:53 PM

Seriously, I know that Don't Like Don't Watch is a rather reductive argument, but I feel at this rate, you're making it harder for me not to use that, because you obviously didn't like the first episode (Judging a whole series based on a First Impression? Truly logic at its finest, isn't it.)

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#92: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:15:26 PM

How much is one expected to watch before they're allowed to judge a show? This isn't some deep or subversive work for the ages where later revelations or episodes are going to put things in a brand new light or give it a deeper meaning.

The concept is pretty decent. The execution...

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#93: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:34:40 PM

It also had graphic on-screen rape without any warning. So yeah, can't blame people who don't like getting that garbo shoved in their face suddenly.

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#94: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:49:14 PM

@Rynnec Yea, I kind of agree with you. The LN/Manga isn't really for everyone. Especially when you count the rapey scenes from the Goblins. Heck I tempted to watch the anime but at best, I just leave it be and watch other Fall animes that are on my belt

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 6th 2018 at 7:49:09 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#95: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:52:56 PM

How frequent are the rape scenes?

Cause I know at least one character's backstory involves it.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#96: Oct 6th 2018 at 6:03:05 PM

Also, an adventuring party being unprepared and killed? That's one thing.

But when completely nonhuman creatures are sexually crazed monsters to a one and rape human women just to be as evil as possible? That's where we hit the realm of being just ridiculously edgy and frankly gratuitous.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#97: Oct 6th 2018 at 6:04:58 PM

Well it’s not completely without reason.

Goblins are a monogendered species so they need woman of other species to reproduce.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#98: Oct 6th 2018 at 6:07:11 PM

Yes, but that's because the writer made it that way. the existence of female goblins would solve that no issue.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#99: Oct 6th 2018 at 6:10:20 PM

It would but this is an interesting concept nonetheless.

It adds a dimension as to why goblins are so obsessed with women than just for lulz.

I really don’t have a problem with the goblins being rapists, I just don’t want to see them doing the deed is all.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 6th 2018 at 6:09:51 AM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#100: Oct 6th 2018 at 6:18:33 PM

I just don't quite see why it's necessary. Like, you have a group of monsters that are already violent killers, who bulldoze villages, torture people, etc. It's like "oh and they rape women to reproduce" is just another mark on the edge abacus. It just doesn't add anything.

For all my criticism of Attack on Titan, at least the Beast Titan wasn't having village women gang raped to make them have new titans or whatever.

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 6th 2018 at 6:18:16 AM


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