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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Apr 14th 2018 at 8:56:42 PM

Just watched the movie with my wife who had never seen in it.

Aside from Al Pacino playing a Cuban, it still remains one of my favorite movies.

Misaimed Fandom and all.

edited 15th Apr '18 1:08:49 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#2: Apr 14th 2018 at 9:22:51 PM

Was there any reason to lock the other thread?

Anyway, I'd like to recommend the 1932 Scarface, which has a villain who's actually more evil than Tony Montana.

TheShadow Since: Apr, 2009
#3: Apr 15th 2018 at 12:34:29 AM

Probably because it was a complaint thread, or at least started as one.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Apr 15th 2018 at 6:58:14 AM

But yes, I want to point out that Scarface is actually a very manipulative movie in that our sympathy with Tony remains for the vast majority of the film. His relationship with his sister is screwed up and ultimately leads to his Moral Event Horizon (except not because Tony doesn't know what's going on and is high on cocaine) but he's notable as a mob boss who dies because he refuses to cross the final line to make himself a monster.

Probably why the games and comic books are Fix Fic.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#5: Apr 15th 2018 at 10:31:31 AM

As I recall he dies more because he didn't listen to his mentor (Frank Lopez) about getting more involved with a violent drug lord like Alejandro Sosa, and that it'd come back to bite him. His greed and ego got the better of him.

LongTallShorty64 Frumpy and grumpy Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#6: Apr 15th 2018 at 12:22:59 PM

Ya know, I always avoided this film mostly because I was put off by Al Pacino's unconvincing Cuban accent, but I finally got around to watching it three weeks ago, and I actually liked it a lot. I think another factor of my dislike even if I hadn't watched the whole film was the Misaimed Fandom which I always found irritating and thought the film was at fault because of it. But the film makes it crystal clear that he's not someone to emulate... at all. And he's kinda....lame? Like his mansion is the most ugly, gaudy thing the 1980s could ever conjure, and he has no class whatsoever. Like mobsters and gangster were cool in the 1970s, they hid behind a veneer of class (looking at you The Godfather) while these gangsters are all ugliness, inside and out.

edited 15th Apr '18 12:24:33 PM by LongTallShorty64

"It's true that we had a gentleman's agreement, but unfortunately, I am no gentleman."
AlityrosThePhilosopher from Over There Since: Jan, 2018
#7: Apr 15th 2018 at 12:27:33 PM

I haven’t seen that one for a long while, loved it as a kid and still very fond of it, what with the dark themes in a colourful film.

[up]×6 Charles Phipps:

Misaimed Fandom and all.
Do you mean Tony’s character?
I never understood the appeal, seen one of them busters seen them all, though I found the way Al Pacino portrayed him to be good (though not that wholesome) fun.

edited 15th Apr '18 12:28:03 PM by AlityrosThePhilosopher

Just as my freedom ends where yours begins my tolerance of you ends where your intolerance toward me begins. As told by an old friend
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#8: Apr 15th 2018 at 12:33:21 PM

I mean, he's charismatic and played by Al Pacino.

Far worse characters have gotten the Misaimed Fandom treatment.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#9: Apr 15th 2018 at 1:05:06 PM

Was Scarface the film that ruined Al Pacino? Was that where the Large Ham was born?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Apr 15th 2018 at 1:07:01 PM

Eh,

I'm one of the Misaimed Fandom to an extent. Tony is a dirt poor immigrant who wants to make it in America after growing up dirt poor in a communist country where it's implied that if he was thrown in jail for legitimate reasons, he was still done so by a government he hated. The movie really tackles the American Dream in a way that's endemic as it's a story of making a success of oneself.

The deconstruction happens, though, that everyone Tony wants to provide for like his wife and sister and mother disrespect him if not outright hate him for it.

Then again, Values Dissonance may apply as people today tend to be more ambivalent about the War on Drugs and its usage.

Plus, Tony's mansion is awesome and everyone would want to live there. :) I know I would.

edited 15th Apr '18 1:07:45 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#11: Sep 20th 2019 at 1:16:33 AM

Finally finished the movie yesterday. What with the "finally"? Truth be told, I started the movie a few weeks back and couldn't even go over a fourth of itnote  because the first half was atrocious with the pacing. Pacing was reasonable at the second half.

Now, what made me even watch the movie in the first place:

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