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nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Apr 17th 2019 at 11:42:29 AM

Honestly, as far as I can tell, They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot are pure complaining pages. Pretty much any character/plot can have people who wanted to see more done with them, regardless of actual screen time.

Apr 20th 2019 at 3:07:06 PM

I don't know what happened to TearJerker.Arthur, but it definitely wasn't organized by season and episode the last time I saw the page, with "moments" like " Mr. Ratburn is established as The Dreaded. When the kids find out they're in his class, they go Mass "Oh, Crap!" and scream." It feels like someone was rewatching the series and added moments as they went along regardless of them being sad.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Apr 20th 2019 at 3:19:29 AM

Apr 29th 2019 at 9:57:03 PM

I'm also noticing that Wham Episode is being added to virtually every Arrowverse episode recap page these days, because we're nearing the end of the season, and each episode is supposed to move the plot forward at a lightning pace at this point in the season. To paraphrase Syndrome: if everything is special, then nothing is. I know there was discussion back in the fall of potentially making that trope YMMV, but it looks like that didn't pan out. I don't know...Wham Episode isn't listed on the Square Peg, Round Trope page and the trope description never explicitly says that it can't be used all the time with each episode, but I still get the feeling it should probably be used more conservatively. What do you folks think?

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Apr 30th 2019 at 2:33:38 AM

I don't think Wham Episode is YMMV. Tropers just don't read - thus this thread.

Apr 30th 2019 at 9:02:18 AM

We had a specific thread discussing the Whams a while back. Not a whole lot was decided, but it was agreed that people shoehorn it too much. Wham Episode isn't just "something interesting happens in the episode." Remember that you can use Plot Twist or The Reveal instead.

I was cleaning up the Arrowverse whams as they came out, but I'm far behind on most of the shows, so I can't be much help right now.

Apr 30th 2019 at 9:27:07 AM

[up] I don't think you should use Plot Twist, that's an index and not a trope.

Apr 30th 2019 at 9:37:03 AM

Whoops, you're right. I haven't been using that, but I didn't remember why when I was making that post.

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May 23rd 2019 at 7:31:24 AM

Many examples on YMMV.Ant Man And The Wasp are written under the assumption that the Snap deaths will never be undone - now that it was undone, should they be rewritten?

Edited by Albert3105 on May 23rd 2019 at 10:34:07 AM

May 23rd 2019 at 9:14:44 AM

Ideally, they should be rewritten without also committing the opposite of episodic troping — I forgot if it has a name — where people go back to earlier episodes and spoil what happens in later installments.

May 23rd 2019 at 10:23:46 AM

I'm not sure we have a name for that, but yes. Future works should not be spoiled on the pages for older works. That's the policy for recap pages, it should apply elsewhere too.

I believe someone was banned for putting Endgame spoilers on the Infinity War page.

May 23rd 2019 at 12:17:10 PM

YMMV.Duck Tales 2017 has a lot of this, especially under 'they wasted a perfectly good x,' 'Win the Crowd,' and even And You Thought It Would Fail, since the show has proven to be very divisive.

Jun 8th 2019 at 1:52:49 AM

Found these examples on YMMV.Final Fantasy Tactics Advance that I'm unsure how to rewrite.

  • True Art Is Angsty: Fans mainly complain how this game is not as dark and angsty as the first Final Fantasy Tactics.
    • Vindicated by History: As of 2016 with its Virtual Console release on the Wii U, there have been some people who have pointed out that while the plot concept is adolescent (it was mentioned by several magazines it was like The Neverending Story), it actually has a lot of mature themes in it that a lot of people didn't notice in 2003 such as the effects of divorce on children, the stages of grief with the death of a loved one, how disabled kids feel, bullying and the desire to retreat into fantasy as a coping mechanism, etc.

  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Back in 2003, this is how a lot of people felt about the characters. Marche was seen as a Villain Protagonist simply wanting to destroy the fantasy that he and his friends wanted. Mewt was seen as a selfish kid, Doned was seen as an unappreciative jerk (But was the only one people sympathized with back in the day, as his concern was to be able to run like everyone else), Ritz's "wish" was seen as absolutely petty, and on top of it all, they wished for their classmates to die in the snow. However, see Vindicated by History and Fridge Brilliance - the characters are all children. This actually makes a lot of sense for them to have such "petty wishes" or not even understand the consequences of their actions.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jun 8th 2019 at 1:53:14 AM

Silverblade2 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jun 8th 2019 at 5:22:37 AM

[up]Sounds like there's Justifying Edit

Edited by Silverblade2 on Jun 8th 2019 at 2:22:50 PM

Jun 8th 2019 at 10:20:17 PM

[up][up] The Vindicated by History example is improperly placed and indented and is being used as a Justifying Edit.

Crossover-Enthusiast The Absolute Mad Lads from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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Jun 9th 2019 at 11:05:54 PM

Oh hey, we do have a thread for this!

A lot of examples of LoveDodecahedron.Web Comics (especially the Homestuck ones) are obviously written as events unfold, with more and more text piled on and no attempt to edit the original example. The result is that a lot of examples and their various subullets are very, very, very long.

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Jun 23rd 2019 at 10:21:09 AM

There are a lot of pages, especially YMMV pages, from series that were popular but have ended. For example YMMV.I Carly still reads like it's 2011.

Jul 1st 2019 at 6:54:54 PM

I can't remember, is Tough Act to Follow on the list of "you need to wait at least a few months after the work comes out," or not? Also, where is that list? Because I know we had a page for it, but now I can't find it.

EDIT: Nevermind. Found the page and found the thread.

Edited by Discar on Jul 1st 2019 at 7:00:42 AM

Primis from Nsburg
Aug 13th 2019 at 6:47:08 PM

YMMV.Attack On Titan is another one that seems to have lots of "this recently happened"-type entries.

I avoided looking too closely at it, though, since I'm still not caught up myself and don't want spoilers.

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Silverblade2 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:50:30 AM

Young Justice has issues in particular with Young Justice which is use for speculation about the true motives of characters which are certainly going to be answered at one point.

Edited by Silverblade2 on Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:51:36 PM

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