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May 20th 2018 at 9:06:15 AM

One of the shows I follow has a problem with staggered release dates making episodic troping a repetitive problem: it's first released to paid sponsors, who may knee-jerk post and be cleaned up. Days later, it's released to free-account holders, and repeat. A week after the sponsor release, it's finally released to the general public, and repeat again.

Such situations run the risk of introducing accidental Edit War situations because different populations are reacting to the same information at different times. It also raises the potentially sensitive issue of whether a work with staggered publication should be troped by exclusive audiences before it's been made available to the general public.

The show I'm describing is RWBY, but it's not the only show that experiences this problem. Just to give one example that happened several months ago: within hours of the sponsor release, a character was moved without consultation from one page to another, revealing an alliance-switch to a general public that had only just been given access to the previous week's episode (and obviously was just beginning to knee-jerk trope in response to an episode that had been knee-jerked by sponsors the previous week). This can obviously create clean-up confusion as well.

edited 20th May '18 9:36:10 AM by Wyldchyld

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May 27th 2018 at 4:03:06 PM

[up] I was JUST about to post that from viewing RWBY trope pages for the first time! (I'd noticed its main page is like "The four main characters were introduced one at a time in four trailers: Red (Ruby Rose), White (Weiss Schnee), Black (Blake Belladonna), and Yellow, (Yang Xiao Long), to much anticipation and speculation. On July 18th 2013, the first episode premiered for the general population" and the YMMV page talks about pre-release speculation that was proven wrong but helped the series get its fanbase.

The Idiosyncratic Ship Naming entry is ridiculously long and has its own folder at the top of the list, while also linking to 2 google pages with said lists. Since there's a lot of characters and too many ship names to count, should we delete the examples and just link to the lists for brevity's sake? Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh's YMMV pages do that cause there's too many characters and pairings to feasibly list them all.

edited 27th May '18 4:06:52 PM by lalalei2001

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May 27th 2018 at 5:40:51 PM

[up] I noticed Idiosyncratic Ship Naming on RWBY's page too. If it's that long, shouldn't it be split into its own page instead of a folder?

Awesome.Shokugeki No Soma has a lot of blatant episodic troping. The entries for chapters 126-130 and 141-148 should probably be condensed into one single big entry. As is, they're basically summarizing their whole story arc. There's probably more of this, but I'm still watching the anime and don't want to see spoilers.

May 27th 2018 at 6:44:33 PM

WhamEpisode.Darling In The Franxx has episode-by-episode listings for episodes 10 through 19. So far. Its YMMV page also has some questionable examples.

edited 27th May '18 6:46:48 PM by lalalei2001

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May 28th 2018 at 1:38:11 PM

Oh my gosh is King's Quest (2015) troped episodically, and worse, every reference to the old games is added to the page as they happen. Plus natter and losing sight of the original trope.

edited 28th May '18 1:54:04 PM by lalalei2001

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May 28th 2018 at 2:58:39 PM

I'd suggest taking the Idiosyncratic Ship Naming to the RWBY forum thread and discussing its fate there. If you scroll though the YMMV History page, you'll see I did the folder (28th Apr) and, well, read my edit reason. I completely agree it needs looking at — but this isn't the right place to discuss it.

edited 28th May '18 3:04:38 PM by Wyldchyld

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Jun 13th 2018 at 8:29:07 PM

Series.Cobra Kai and its subpages, particularly Cobra Kai, seems to have been troped episodically quite a bit.

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Jun 16th 2018 at 5:32:12 AM

YMMV.Splatoon 2 and especially ThatOneLevel.Splatoon 2 Salmon Run are troped very episodically, with the latter having day-by-day descriptions of frustrating weapon loadouts.

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Jul 24th 2018 at 3:38:12 PM

Just from casually browsing YMMV.Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom and TearJerker.Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom I noticed they have a lot of episodic stuff, and some of it seems to have been added before the movie came out.

" The film’s first half revolves around the volcanic eruption of Mount Sibo, and is set to be released to theaters barely a month after the destructive eruption of Mount Kilauea in May 2018 (many of the series’ scenes have been filmed in Hawaii to boot). Even more, a mere week before the film's release in some parts of the world there was a lethal eruption of Mt. Fuego in Guatemala."

" Take That, Scrappy!: According to the Dinosaurs Protection Group tie in website, the Spinosaurus is now extinct. Although this fell under Alas, Poor Scrappy after the DPG released a new article."

" Worries about the Mosasaurus potentially starving to death after the park was abandoned in the previous movie were quelled by the updates made to Jurassic World's website—the Mosasaurus has escaped into the ocean somehow and is mostly unaccounted for. While this opens up a whole new can of worms, including the Fridge Horror that there is now a massive super-predator swimming loose in the ocean (the trailer shows a scene of the Mosasarus stalking a group of surfers), we can assume that she's alive and well-fed. Expect the local Great White population to drop sharply..."

"Another hit of nostalgia in the latest trailer. That vehicle wreck that Blue jumps onto in the jungle? Take a closer look at it. That's Explorer 04, as in the famous green and yellow 1992 Ford Explorer XLT tour vehicle from the first Jurassic Park movie. [insert really long paragraph here]

EDIT: the main page has this too. " Trailers Always Spoil: Zigzagged initially, but eventually played frustratingly straight."

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:52:39 AM

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Jul 27th 2018 at 9:43:54 PM

Octopath Traveler and the character page has a lot of tropes about the demo version of the game when the full one is out now, including spoilers that are for the characters' prologues.

" The barmaid standing in front of the tavern in Cobbleston. She has a power rating of 5★ in the September demo, is available to challenge at the very start of Olberic's route, and will pound your face into the ground if you haven't level grinded. "

" There's a turban-wearing Villager at the south end of Sunshade. He too has a 5★ power rating in the September demo, but manages to top the barmaid in power. "

" Chekhov's Gun: The September demo dispenses quite a few Fire Soulstones on you, which deal medium Fire-element damage. Given how most enemies are already weak to Primrose and Olberic's kits, these aren't particularly useful... until you fight the barmaid, whose only weakness is Fire elemental attacks, which Olberic does not innately possess."

" Difficulty Spike: The September demo has Primeval Shrine. "

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Aug 1st 2018 at 5:34:59 PM

I brought this up in the Removing Gushing from the Wiki thread, but a lot of long running Shōnen anime and manga (One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, FairyTail, MyHeroAcademia, DragonBallSuper, and probably a few others that I missed) are incredibly bad about this. Particularly in their Character and "Moments" pages.

I honestly think that there should be a wait period before posts on recent chapters are allowed (particularly since most posts come from leaked scanslations a few days before the official release date.)

Aug 2nd 2018 at 12:53:34 AM

[up] Don't forget Yu Gi Oh Arc V and Yu Gi Oh VRAINS! those have the "#" problem pretty bad.

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Aug 10th 2018 at 7:11:01 PM

With a new seasons of Voltron airing all at once comes a lot of edits to the YMMV page.

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Aug 15th 2018 at 2:25:16 PM

Heartwarming.Pokemon Anime is troped episodically in the Alola folder. Cleaning up now.

EDIT: The entire thing is as big Kanto through Unova combined and we're only 87 episodes in. ._. The Kalos League folder is really big too.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 15th 2018 at 5:36:48 AM

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Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:16:58 PM

Western Animation/Disenchantment's subpages are troped episode by episode. Fixing now.

EDIT: Fixed!

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 23rd 2018 at 3:20:55 PM

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Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:41:23 PM

I just want to clarify this: Are we talking about sorting stuff like CMOF, Heartwarming, etc. by the episode it occurs in? Because the complain in the OP was about Broken Base-type entries being added about plot developments before the resolution had a chance to air, not about categorizing entries.

Aug 24th 2018 at 12:14:23 AM

Both, since it tends to leak onto subpages/YMMV pages. IE 'If episode #215 didn't prove it, episode #220 made x irredeemable' 5 episodes before they were redeemed.

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Aug 24th 2018 at 6:56:30 AM

I removed a few "will"s on YMMV.Kingdom Hearts III. Some examples contained "time will tell if..." or "fans are hoping that there will be...", so I commented them out until said things are confirmed or deconfirmed.

Sep 24th 2018 at 7:26:25 PM

Speaking of Disenchantment, as I was watching it, I was going to the recap pages after each episode...until episode 3, when someone dropped a big spoiler for later on in the Foreshadowing subtrope, without even a spoiler tag.

  • Spoiler warning, obviously***
Disenchantment - S1 E3: "The Princess of Darkness"

That's not really allowed, is it?

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Sep 24th 2018 at 8:21:00 PM

No recap pages are supposed to only recap what happens in that specific episode.

Sep 30th 2018 at 3:27:39 PM

YMMV.Street Fighter V has several entries of this nature, particularly between when characters were announced and when they came out, as well as "current" review scores for the game.

"A lot of fans were excited about the first DLC character Alex, who was set to appear in March 2016. As the month progressed, fans weren't happy that the first batch of DLC was released at the end of March."

"The game has been hit with this following its release due to a lack of various modes that just about all modern fighting games have, as well as the game's servers being unstable and a general lack of single player content. It has received mainly negative reviews on Steam and Metacritic so far."

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Nov 14th 2018 at 3:28:24 PM

Found a lot of examples on Characters.Yu Gi Oh VRAINS, including 4 folders of spoiler characters whose roles are still being revealed and tons of examples added per-episode as well as Speculative Troping.

"Arc Villain: Quite likely, as he holds authority over both Haru and Bohman (in fact, they are expected to literally bow down when greeting him)."

" As of episode #41, this is subverted"

"Ai may have been willing to sacrifice himself because he wanted to make it up to Playmaker for lying about losing his memories."

"Conflict Ball: In Episode 55 and 56, after Playmaker and Soulburner refuse her offer for her and Akira to help them due to SOL Technologies involvement in the Lost Incident, she gets pissed off and demands they give Ai and Flame over so they can find the other Ignis's. Playmaker and Ghost Girl themselves are surprised at her behavior. It's more downplayed in Episode 56, as once she begins the duel she does return to being more civil, though a bit more arrogant than usual, Episode 56 keeps her behavior more in line with her motivation of helping Akira and making up for her loss to Spectre. Later justified in that she believes SOL Technologies to be benevolent, and until later did not quite understand Playmaker and Soulburner's dislike of them."

"Trauma Conga Line: Basically the latter half of #7 is this for her...And continued later during her duel against Spectre, where he brutally breaks her by talking and pretends that she got through to him, only to mercilessly defeat her. Continues in Season 2 where her pedestal for SOL Technologies is broken."

" Like Akira and Aoi, while she doesn't become a Bounty Hunter against Playmaker, she still works against him and Soulburner due to a worry if the Ignis would be enemies of humanity. Averted come Episode 76 she and Aoi drop it."

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 14th 2018 at 6:30:34 AM

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Apr 14th 2019 at 12:19:00 AM

Since the last season of Game of Thrones starts tonight, we might watch over the recap pages so that people won't add Broken Base three minutes after the airing of an episode.

Apr 16th 2019 at 9:15:18 PM

Here we go again. Can someone please give him a helpful reminder?

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Apr 17th 2019 at 3:02:56 AM

How long can a show run before a viewer can fairly lament, "They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character"? YMMV.Carmen Sandiego gained some entries of this type after season one ended. However, since S1 only had nine episodes, I think it feels possible (but not definite) that at least one of those characters will get to do more in the future.

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