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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51: Sep 25th 2018 at 12:03:07 PM

It is, admittedly, explicit in the books that if you transfigured a human being or screw up the animagus procedure, you end up an animal without human cognizance. That’s probably what happened here, especially since they note her personality now is not what you’d expect.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#52: Sep 25th 2018 at 12:22:15 PM

According to Rowling Nagini's a maledictus not an animagus. A maledictus is someone whose blood was cursed since birth thus them slowly turning into a beast till it's permanent. JK also said on Twitter that maledictus are women only, passed down from mothers to daughters. But it can be any beasts form.

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#53: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:03:54 PM

...this is stupid and I hate it.

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#54: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:12:03 PM

Oh, Merlin's beard. It's a literal Dragon Lady.

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#55: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:29:12 PM

...Jesus Christ you’re right.

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#56: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:37:22 PM

I swear it's like every piece of info that comes out about this movie makes me even less inclined to see it. Jesus Christ.

I think at this point I'm quite comfortable just sticking with fanfic. There's plenty of choice out there, I'm bound to find what I'm actually looking for.

/crawls back under rock
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#57: Sep 25th 2018 at 5:01:31 PM

This tweet sums up my sentiment exactly.

2007 me: i can't believe harry potter is over forever.... i wish jkr would write more!

2018 me: voldemort and bellatrix have a love child called delphi who is albus severus' nemesis

2007 me: what -

2018 me: nagini is a human woman and voldemort's been sucking her milk

(Seriously, it'll make the passage about "Milking Nagini" soooo uncomfortable to read. Doubly so when it's Peter Pettigrew, already sort of a Memetic Molester that' been doing the milking.)

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 25th 2018 at 8:03:34 AM

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#58: Sep 25th 2018 at 5:40:15 PM

Wasn't it her venom? Don't think snakes produce milk.

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#59: Sep 25th 2018 at 5:52:40 PM

It was.

Though there's a specific bit (thankfully never used) concept art for the films that's surfaced. As it's prolly NSFW and also kinda gross I won't link it, but it has the "Small body" Voldemort suckling on a snake with boobs. (From GOF's concept art, It appears in the "Harry Potter: Page to Screen" book.)

Eitherway, the (several) times where "Milking Nagini" is brought up in the books got really uncomfortable to read.

Also don't forget Nagini ate people. So that's some Cannibalism on top of this.

Can't wait to find out if she was a willing participant. Or a Victim being controlled.

Also this retroactively means Neville killed another human being.

Suddenly this old joke tweet about how JK Rowling "adds" to her universe seems apropos.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 25th 2018 at 8:54:07 AM

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#60: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:47:51 PM

...I need so much brain bleach now.

/crawls back under rock
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#61: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:04:41 PM

[up][up] Inb4 Neville created a Horcrux when he killed Nagini. tongue

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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#62: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:16:31 PM

Not even that... does this retcon the whole 'Human Horcrux thing'?

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#63: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:53:15 PM

[up][up] Inb4 Nagini created a Horcrux when she killed people!

This also likely means we're getting a "Young Voldemort" in this film trilogy. He joined the school in 38, Grindelwald is defeated in 45 (Putting Voldy in his 7th year), they are gonna set up Nagini meeting Tom Riddle somewhere. I mean, why else write this right? The only fathomable reason I can think for this is that they want to tie this film series with the books further, and having Nagini meet Tom Riddle seems like a logical endpoint.

And I don't even wanna think what dumb retcons this might lead us to.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 25th 2018 at 11:59:57 AM

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#65: Sep 25th 2018 at 9:01:20 PM

If two Horcrux kill someone while near one another, can they make each other in double horcruxes?

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#66: Sep 25th 2018 at 9:42:30 PM

Wow. Here I thought you'd all be talking about Dumbledore being gay in the trailer.

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#67: Sep 25th 2018 at 9:45:56 PM

Well that's old news now.

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#68: Sep 25th 2018 at 9:50:14 PM

Well I didn't think Voldemort's snake needed a backstory but, I guess if its interesting enough?

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#69: Sep 25th 2018 at 10:14:26 PM

Trailer doesn't elaborate on it enough for me to care. After so many years of 'He is, but we won't show it', I need them to be direct and explicit about the matter rather than this elephant in the room nonsense.

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#70: Sep 25th 2018 at 10:21:17 PM

I mean they don't meet face to face this movie so I can see it just not coming up, but in the eventual confrontation I would be dissapointed without more explicity.

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#71: Sep 26th 2018 at 12:50:13 PM

So I just heard about the Nagini retcon. Who asked for this. Nagini was just a snake that Voldemort put a piece of himself I don't see the reason to make it more complicated. That's like saying the Rancor in Return of the Jedi was once a powerful jedi or Blofeld's cat was the true leader of SPECTRE.

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#72: Sep 26th 2018 at 12:52:39 PM

Or C 3 PO was built by Anakin or that Yoda fought alongside Chewbacca in the Clone Wars or...

It's standard "prequels feel the need to explain things that no one asked about."

The guy who loved snakes having a giant fuck-off snake needed no explanation.

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#73: Sep 26th 2018 at 1:01:47 PM

JK Rowling is becoming the second George Lucas

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ShawnRi Since: Nov, 2016
#74: Sep 26th 2018 at 1:26:12 PM

To me this is the biggest pitfall of a lot of prequels. They try to establish a link to the original by referencing someone or something from the original. With this retcon, I don't know who was asking to find out the origins of Nagini. To me it would've made more sense to introduce a new character who's a relative of someone from the original series, like maybe Draco's grandfather. It'd still be pandering to fans of the character, but it'd at least make sense.

Edited by ShawnRi on Sep 26th 2018 at 1:30:29 AM


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