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The Broken Base cleanup thread discusses about examples in Broken Base, but this talks about examples in YMMV pages of works containing Base-Breaking Character, (despite being an Example Sectionectomy, this can still be seen in the YMMV pages of works) where the details on what is suitable is also vague.
Here is the criteria for Base-Breaking Character:
Base-Breaking Character is when half of the fandom likes a character, yet another equally sized half dislikes it. Now that happens, but the problem is, some entries aren't really contentious (thus not resulting in flame wars when someone says they "liked that character").
Also, several entries are one-sided towards the negative or the positive side describing that only side in detail, but then wrapping up with a single line saying "But the other half likes that character". A correct way would be describing it like "a split in the Fandom on who likes it or not", with details on both sides why they're liked and disliked.
Here's an example from YMMV.Undertale:
While it may have annoyed players due to these reasons above, there has been a considerable amount of fanarts and comics or her, and not only that, the like-dislike situation hasn't been so contentious (compared to Sans, whom he's popular, now he sucks.)
edited 21st Feb '18 1:46:31 PM by AppleGates
I think this thread is a good idea.
BaseBreakingCharacter.Game Of Thrones has many entries that are one sided like Arya and Podrick.
Super Mario Bros. has a few characters that are also listed on the Ensemble Darkhorse page. Specifically listed on both pages are: the Koopalings, Waluigi, Rosalina, and Pauline. Bowser's depiction is Paper Mario: Sticker Star is listed on the Base-Breaking page and The Scrappy page.
Since they are on Ensemble Dark Horse, cut those who are on Base Breaking Character, and cut it for Bowser on Sticker Star.
Also, I'm not sure if the entries on that subpage fit the "little to no middle ground criteria" or "vicious conflict criteria".
edited 21st Feb '18 1:30:29 PM by AppleGates
Rosalina is an extremely important character in her first appearance, so she's not really an Ensemble Dark Horse by any means. Pretty sure they need to be a background/non-important character first, right? Later appearances can change up things, but the first appearance is key?
Yes at first, but has later became less important.
Which isn't relevant to the point. She started off as an important character. Those can't be Ensemble Darkhorses. It's for non-important characters.
Oh... You're right. Ensemble Dark Horse requires that the character wasn't important at all, not a Demoted to Extra status.
BTW, this is supposed to be cleaning up Base-Breaking Character entries in YMMV pages that don't fit these criterias.
edited 21st Feb '18 9:52:40 PM by AppleGates
I don't think any of those characters are minor enough to qualify for Ensemble Dark Horse. They're one step below Mario and Bowser at most. May be an issue for the thread we have for that trope, or we can just delete them.
So does anyone approve of the entries getting cut? I'm going to list the entries side-by-side so you can see what I'm talking about.
Bowser in Paper Mario: Sticker Star:
edited 22nd Feb '18 8:24:55 AM by chasemaddigan
Is it ok when a fandom is so contentious, there's no agreement on any character? Like Doctor Who where literally every single doctors and companions have their fans and detractors.
Doctor Who is definitely one of those fandoms where trying to trope a 'definite' fan opinion isn't really possible. There's just too much disagreement.
If the fans and detractors have the same size, then it would count.
edited 22nd Feb '18 8:52:57 PM by AppleGates
Doctor Who has a much too large middle to qualify.
The Mario entries should probably all be deleted for much the same reason. The exception might be Bowser in Sticker Star. The problem there is that the entry meanders way too much outside the actual example and talks more about the games where he's not an example. There's one game he might be The Scrappy (the actual game the example is about), but the rest of them are far too divisive and spread out to fit either trope.
Yeah delete the doctor who page. There is waaay to much middle ground in the fandom for anything to truley be a Broken Base or Base-Breaking Character
Um... I wouldn't advocate for a cutting the entire Doctor Who page. There're some characters who are more divisive than others.
I took care of the Mario examples and moved them to discussion page. I left a link to the thread in both my edit reason and the discussion page, so we'll see if there's any objections to this decision.
Alright. Bring it here and we can see who to keep and who to cut right off the bat.
Well the Base-Breaking Character entries I cut are listed earlier in the thread, so you go through those again to see if there are any keepers. I only cut the characters that were also listed under Ensemble Dark Horse or The Scrappy.
oh whoops I was talking to silverblade about Doctor Who
Which of the Base-Breaking Character entries in Super Mario do you think should be kept?
I'd argue somewhat towards the Koopalings being kept. The entry makes a fairly decent case for it (half the people still like them and the other half are sick of them being everywhere)
So, this section got added to the Splatoon 2 page recently. I'm personally in favor of cutting it, but I don't like doing that without getting a second opinion.
edited 8th Mar '18 3:46:39 PM by MisterTambourineMan
Yeesh, that's a wall of text. Seems quite one-sided as well and written by someone with a bit of an axe to grind.
I notices that Base-Breaking Character isn't listed in No Real Life Examples, Please!. Do you think real BBC are kosher?
I found on YMMV.Garth Ennis
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How well does it match the trope?