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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#226: Dec 30th 2021 at 7:18:24 PM

[up]Or some actual interactions with Kreese.The show wants to beileve that Kreese and Cobra kai is the reason shes getting worse.

But other than the time Kreese saved her from the creepy landlord,I dont recall anyother meanful interactions that would justify the level of zeal she has for him.

Edited by DeanCole on Dec 31st 2021 at 2:25:39 AM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#227: Dec 30th 2021 at 7:51:31 PM

Yeah, you can't attribute Tory’s bad choices to the influence of Kreese. She only knew Kreese for a few weeks of the summer when she decided to go homicidal on Sam over a kiss (rather than do the rational thing and confront her boyfriend for cheating on her).

Okey Dokey!
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#228: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:50:58 AM

Having watched the fourth season, I feel like there was so much potential for all the characters, but it all got squandered for the “shock and awe” factor. They were so focused on being unpredictable that they lost sense of the plot entirely.

I feel like the season would've been much better if it was "predictable but coherent with great character development" instead of "unpredictable and all over the place". What I mean by "all over the place" is that I feel like there needed to be more focus on the core characters (Johnny, Daniel, Robby, Miguel, Sam, Tory, Kreese, and Silver) and not as much on the secondary and tertiary characters. Many characters acted in ways that didn’t make sense or weren’t fleshed out enough to make sense, and some characters were just completely out of character at times, and would basically switch personalities from episode to episode. Robby and Miguel really got shafted with their character development this season; it was just all over the place for both of them. While they kinda drove a wedge between Miguel and Johnny just for the sake of it that just felt out of character for both of them during certain parts.

And what I mean by wanting a "predictable but coherent" story is that I think the final tournament fight should've been Robby vs. Sam, not Robby vs. Eli.

Edited by dmcreif on Dec 31st 2021 at 11:51:50 AM

Okey Dokey!
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#229: Dec 31st 2021 at 11:23:28 AM

Nice to see Terry back again. Already the highlight of the season.

I question what's going through Robby's head teaching Miyagi-Do to the Cobra's when he knows for a fact that they broke into the Larusso House to try and murder everyone there.

Johnny making Danny-boy walk across hot coals. Because of course he would.

Ant-ony is a little shit!

Hell yeah hockey fight!

Cobra-Bros!

Edited by Guy01 on Dec 31st 2021 at 12:20:53 PM

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#230: Dec 31st 2021 at 12:27:21 PM

I'm halfway through.

Now that I've seen the context of the Tory/Amanda scene, I'm....slightly more understanding. Only slightly. While I still don't agree with Tory, I kinda get it, since from her point of view, the entire La Russo family is constantly picking a fight with her....that being said, she's still starting an entire brawl at the school, then lead a house invasion. She's not in the right either.

That's the big thing here. Everyone thinks their the good guy here, and this leads to a lot of dumb mistakes. Johnny and Daniel still can't get past their own shit, Hawk, despite his Heel–Face Turn, is still a bully, resulting in that one kid joining Cobra Kai, and then there's Daniel's son....he's probably gonna get his at some point.

Sam taking advantage of Tory's poor situation to mock her is understandable, but didn't help the situation. I feel like, at least at this point, a lot of them have learned absolutely nothing. The Us Vs Them mindset has just shifted.

Well, we'll see how the next 5 episodes go. I love the absolute train wreck that everyone is.

One Strip! One Strip!
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#231: Dec 31st 2021 at 1:23:33 PM

Tory joins in on ANOTHER gang attack on someone and we're supposed to feel sorry for her. Sorry but no. Scrappy needs to get a beating.

Edited by Guy01 on Dec 31st 2021 at 1:26:26 AM

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#232: Dec 31st 2021 at 1:36:28 PM

We have the trope Jerkass Woobie for a reason

Attachments are not the problem, Indifference is. Keelah se'lai
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#233: Dec 31st 2021 at 1:40:11 PM

[up]Except that she doesn't fit the Woobie part. At least IMO.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#234: Dec 31st 2021 at 1:40:16 PM

One of my main problems was the fact that for most of the plot to work, basically every character had to be reduced to a complete moron who doesn't see what is right in front of them. That's before all the blatant criminal behavior being completely ignored, or having very little repercussions. Then again, that was also the case after Kreese initially usurped Cobra Kai from Johnny at the end of season 2: they've gone beyond just teenage pranks and bullying. Now it's stuff like assault with deadly weapons, breaking and entering, breaking bones, throwing people through windows, shaving someone's head, the kinda stuff that would get them actual prison time in real life (and get Cobra Kai shut down on the grounds of being a gang haven) gets glossed over completely because plot reasons.

Okey Dokey!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#235: Dec 31st 2021 at 4:46:47 PM

All done.

Hey idiots. Maybe if you'd teamed up sooner, you'd have avoided all this.

Anthony got what he deserved, but it was still sad to see Kenny do what he did.

I'm all over the place with Sam and Tory. Like, I don't condone what Tory has done, but Sam keeps pushing things further, despite Samantha's attempts to end things. But Tory is obviously not happy at the realization that Silver paid off the ref to help her win. She wanted to win fairly, and that was denied to her.

And now we're reminded that Silver was actually a worse person than Kreese. And Miguel has gone Awol.

I look forward to watching bad things continue to happen to all of them next season.cool

One Strip! One Strip!
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#236: Dec 31st 2021 at 5:49:19 PM

Now, let's just get Hilary Swank in here for completion!

I'm starting this part next year since my usual shows of note are on hiatus [I guess this prolongs my retirement from this place a little longer]. I'll put up more tomorrow for the New Year.

Edited by terlwyth on Dec 31st 2021 at 7:54:23 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#237: Dec 31st 2021 at 6:06:35 PM

I love the explanation that Silver was on cocaine during Karate Kid 3.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 31st 2021 at 6:06:54 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#239: Dec 31st 2021 at 6:55:57 PM

On ep 4.

Seriously Bert and Nate?Come on you two should know better.

Edit:Done with the Sam and Tory rivaly.This is just stupid at this point.

Edit 2:Seriously, even Daniel acting like he lost brain cells.

Once again we have Johnny more responible and showing more restraint than Daniel.

Edited by DeanCole on Dec 31st 2021 at 7:35:20 AM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#240: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:47:19 PM

Speaking of Tory, her subplot with Amanda is a little out of nowhere, honestly.

It's almost like Amanda did an abrupt 180 in opinion. For all of season 3, Amanda was basically calling Tory a "dime store Freddy Kreuger" with no qualms about it whatsoever, but simply meeting her in person and learning about Tory's sick mother from Kreese (who she immediately believes for some reason) causes her to change her mind completely because suddenly she sees a lot of herself in Tory due to this thing that no one knew about until she tells Daniel.

It makes no sense for a few reasons. 1) Amanda just immediately believes Kreese, just like that? Yes, Kreese is telling the truth in that specific instance, but Amanda, who is aware of his manipulation tactics because she herself has been caught in the crossfire, should be pausing and first wondering whether Kreese is lying to her. 2) As early as season 2 episode 8, the writers seemed to be hinting at Robby being the one to set Tory on the path to redemption. And 3) at the point where Amanda makes her decision to help Tory, Tory hasn't expressed any outward desire to improve her behavior. As far as Amanda knows, Tory still wants to try and hurt Sam at the tournament.

Honestly, the likeliest explanation for what's going on with Amanda here is that the writers wanted to do this storyline with Robby, but Robby already had too much going on with mentoring Kenny and whatnot, and there would've been little to nothing for Amanda to do. So they quickly threw this plotline together with an awkwardly-placed anecdote about Amanda's troubled past to try and make it work.

Okey Dokey!
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#241: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:51:07 PM

[up] There was an easy solution, but I guess Hilary Swank is too far up in billing to pay and get in there.

Otherwise, Julie was the perfect sort of character to deal with that. Besides her obsession with a bird, she was very much that kind of jerk to Mr. Miyagi.

Or, believe it or not, Ayisha herself.

That said, Amanda has always had a bizarre, changing characterization by the plot iirc, so this isn't that much of a surprise.

I'm still abstaining until tomorrow from officially watching.

Edited by terlwyth on Dec 31st 2021 at 10:53:58 AM

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#242: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:03:09 PM

Ayisha;So I meet this girl.Was pretty sure she was going to be my next bully.So I introdunced myself and was nice to her.Now we're best friends.

Sam:So antagonize her.

Ayisha:....Sam,thats not what I said.

Sam:Cool,thanks for the advice. *leaves*

Ayisha:Thank God my parnets moved me out of All valley.

Edited by DeanCole on Dec 31st 2021 at 9:07:57 AM

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#243: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:13:49 PM

Done with the Sam and Tory rivalry. This is just stupid at this point.

Honestly, it would be easier to swallow if they would actually allow Tory to face consequences for her crap.

Regarding Ant-ony and Kenny, idc. I honestly did not care about either of them. That plotline could've been dropped without much of an issue.

Edited by Guy01 on Dec 31st 2021 at 9:15:47 AM

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#244: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:31:56 PM

Though I can imagine Amanda would take tbe time to confirm that information rather than take kreese at his word. I am doubtful any information regarding Tory is hidden away and not accessible given her mother's health problems.

The main thing was the original rivals pretty much let their rivalry drive a wedge all over again and pretty much did just as much damage to their chances as silver's bribe with the judge.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#245: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:33:03 PM

[up]Ymmv, but it felt like there was a lot of Character Derailment this season so Cobra Kai could win.

Edited by Guy01 on Dec 31st 2021 at 9:34:08 AM

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#246: Dec 31st 2021 at 10:01:05 PM

[up][up]Honestly thats the most annoying thing about this season.The Johnny/Daniel rivialy is no longer interesting to me at this point.Especially since them continuing to butt heads makes Alies talk in last season a a complete waste of time.

At least hopefully next season we dont have to deal with that again.I hope chozen finally knocks some sense into Daniel

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#247: Dec 31st 2021 at 10:08:40 PM

[up]

Me too.

They deserved to lose that fight the moment they fell into that shit again. They knew the stakes, and they still let their derail everything.

One Strip! One Strip!
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#248: Dec 31st 2021 at 10:37:43 PM

The Johnny/Daniel partnership dissolving so quickly is such a big disappointment. It makes the final scene of season 3 feel like a fake-out in hindsight.

Okey Dokey!
Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#249: Jan 1st 2022 at 12:36:31 AM

I'm still watching, I don't know any spoilers yet though I can guess the usual response. Anyway, on episode 4, early in it, and this among other things helped me put my finger on the one thing which still bothers me about Johnny. He seems way better at dishing things out than he is enduring it and taking it. More he'll do things to other which touches into him honestly being overly aggressive, but when he receives the same stuff in turn, especially if it involves emotions at all, he's fragile.

Also, the Miyagi-Do students who keep acting aggressive and shit are annoying me because they AREN'T listening to the lesson which keeps getting repeated not to pull that shit. This is why martial arts is for defense. >_> I brought this up on Page 2 all the way back in season 1 stuff, and it bugs me still.

I look forward to seeing responses to characters like Kenny so far. Since he's going through the same stuff Miguel did in season 1 and people rooted him on no matter what and Kenny is a parallel, but he's with Kreese. Kreese isn't doing anything different from Season 1 Johnny, who I kept getting told to root for and being told I was wrong for not wanting to support him.

And damn it, Sam, don't antagonize Tory here. -.- Because while I do feel Tory lashes out a great deal and instantly escalates to the most violent solution (plus shows no remorse whatsoever over the shit she pulls), being a brat for some petty payback is far from ideal. It needlessly incites further conflict.

Huh, I just realized a grand irony for Johnny fans, who act like Daniel is always in the wrong. Daniel when he is at his most angry and such is following Johnny's methods, so bitching about him means acknowledging that Johnny's method of living is wrong. ...Which means that what Daniel preaches is what would get them past all their issues and the problem lies with Johnny's way of living, which was the original source of the problem at the beginning of the series. And what caused everything to spiral.

Seriously, for what I'm sure is in the spoilers above (I still haven't seen) with regards to probably them arguing and such, look beyond the surface of the fact they are arguing and look at the substance of why they're arguing. Can you truly say you want to support what Johnny preaches and how he goes about things? All this machismo shit he keeps teaching people?

I said this on the 1st page and I stand by it still: his ideas & approach ARE dangerous (not even calculated risks, just machismo bullshit). I just hope people are able to look past the fact they like him and his struggle to recognize why he's struggling.

Edited by Prime_of_Perfection on Jan 1st 2022 at 5:35:44 AM

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#250: Jan 1st 2022 at 6:44:57 AM

And damn it, Sam, don't antagonize Tory here. -.- Because while I do feel Tory lashes out a great deal and instantly escalates to the most violent solution (plus shows no remorse whatsoever over the shit she pulls), being a brat for some petty payback is far from ideal. It needlessly incites further conflict.

Where I take issues with that particular point is more how Amanda's handling the whole situation. In season 3, Amanda was so concerned about her daughter and the impact that Tory was having on her, then does a 180. It's very jarring to see her go from calling for Tory to be locked up in a mental health facility for the rest of her life, to promising Tory that she's going to scold Sam later for being kind of mean towards Tory at a birthday party. (Yes, Sam was being catty towards Tory at the birthday party, but Amanda acts like it's out of nowhere and she's being like that for no reason at all. Amanda really needs to be spending more time with her daughter and getting Sam trauma counseling)

Okey Dokey!

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