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    Original OP 

I've decided to start a new cleanup thread dealing with trope similarities. This thread is for discussing tropes that appear to be a duplicate of another trope, and if it's agreed upon that the two tropes talked about are similar enough, one should start a thread about it in the Trope Repair Shop.

I'll start with my issue...


Asian Hooker Stereotype and Mighty Whitey and Mellow Yellow are pretty much the same trope—they both involve a white man and an Asian woman.

Edited by Tabs on Nov 1st 2022 at 10:57:37 AM

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#576: Jun 7th 2020 at 12:05:50 PM

What's the difference between Leaving Audience and Walking Out on the Show? (Walking Out seems unaware that Leaving exists, while Leaving is kind of starved of wicks for a trope launched in 2007.)

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#577: Jun 7th 2020 at 12:39:31 PM

[up] - Yeah, as "Same Situation, but split between performer and audience POV"... I say Merge.

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#578: Jun 7th 2020 at 7:46:38 PM

You Can Always Tell a Liar is a trope about how someone has a "tell" for when they're lying.

Pinocchio Nose... is a trope about how someone has a "tell" for when they're lying.

The former claims the latter is a subtrope for "direct lying", but I'm a little unclear on what that leaves to the supertrope?

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#579: Jun 8th 2020 at 2:29:07 AM

You Can Always Tell a Liar wants to establish a difference concerning indirect and direct lying but I fail to see how it would make for a meaningful difference. Look like merge candidates to me.

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#580: Jun 8th 2020 at 11:05:56 PM

Heel Face Mole and Falsely Reformed Villain are both defined as villains pretending to turn good.

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#581: Jun 9th 2020 at 12:45:51 AM

[up] One is specifically being The Mole. The other is not; they can just be civilians (its old title is "Civilian Villain")

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Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#582: Jun 9th 2020 at 3:30:47 AM

...Is that really a worthy distinction?

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#583: Jun 9th 2020 at 5:19:21 AM

[up] I believe it is. HFM is about working with the good guys. FRV is usually about deflecting suspicions from their latest scheme.

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IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#585: Jun 10th 2020 at 12:28:00 AM

[up] DFL is the subtrope, specifically when someone in the bad guys' side defects because of love, usually towards one of the good guys.

Love Redeems can be used in context of, say, causing a gangster or a thief to stop their criminal ways.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#586: Jun 11th 2020 at 6:57:15 PM

Un-Confession and Aborted Declaration of Love? The page quote of the former is the page image of the latter.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#588: Jun 12th 2020 at 5:58:05 AM

[up] - Given that the latter says this, no:

For Hollywood Law tropes on this wiki, see Artistic License – Law.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#589: Jun 12th 2020 at 7:28:03 AM

The former is simply a collection of all the times that people get something wrong. The latter is for when some errors make a pattern to the point of being a convention.

This is in fact the more general distinction between Artistic Licence-X and Hollywood X pages.

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4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#590: Jun 12th 2020 at 8:17:00 AM

[up] Hollywood X is therefore Tropes in Aggregate, right?

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TantaMonty Since: Aug, 2017
#591: Jun 14th 2020 at 2:54:36 PM

Hello, I recently posted this ATT, where I noted a few problems with the trope Signature Line. Among them, it was the fact that its description is remarkably similar to that of Signature Scene. Another troper instructed me to bring the topic to this thread. So, what do you think?

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#592: Jun 14th 2020 at 5:31:20 PM

[up] A line is a quote, a scene is a scene.

Easy to differentiate...

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MisterSnuffy Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#593: Jun 15th 2020 at 4:19:06 PM

All There Is To Know About The Crying Game is literally just an exaggerated version of It Was His Sled. The Same But More Specific pretty much.

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#594: Jun 15th 2020 at 4:26:23 PM

How are Warring Natures and Halfbreed Discrimination any different?

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MisterSnuffy Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#595: Jun 15th 2020 at 4:30:53 PM

[up] They're not lmao

Any thoughts on the crying game and it was his sled

wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
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#596: Jun 15th 2020 at 4:45:13 PM

[up][up]Warring Natures is when the fact that someone is half-and-half causes trouble because the halves don't get along. Halfbreed Discrimination is when they're discriminated against for being mixed.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#597: Jun 15th 2020 at 6:59:39 PM

[up] Wouldn't one causes the other? They're inseparable.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#598: Jun 15th 2020 at 7:10:32 PM

[up][up][up]Not seeing a meaningful difference either though they spent an entire paragraph on All There Is To Know About The Crying Game to explain it.

MisterSnuffy Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#599: Jun 15th 2020 at 7:14:45 PM

[up] There is no meaningful difference. Crying Game is literally just "It Was His Sled but it's the only thing people know about it". That's just an exaggeration of the trope.

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#600: Jun 15th 2020 at 7:53:52 PM

[up][up][up] - Laconic.Warring Natures:

A child whose parents are members of different factions currently at war with each other.

A.k.a, something that could happen between raiding warring tribes.

Without Half-Breed Discrimination, because such "half-breeds" are an expected results of such "raiding", and are treated as belonging to the culture of the father, or something.


And then there's cases which don't mention any discrimination, like the Literature.Dresden Files one, where the warring natures are all about characters' dealing with their hybrid natures.

... I think the original title was making a Nature vs. Nurture pun.

A.k.a Warring Parent Races / Species.

Edited by Malady on Jun 15th 2020 at 7:58:15 AM

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