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Note that two tropes being distinct in theory does that mean they are distinct in practice. If participants agree that two (or more) tropes really don't seem distinct enough to be separate, one can start a thread in the Trope Repair Shop for further discussion. A a wick check demonstrating redundancy will likely be required, though.

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    Original OP 

I've decided to start a new cleanup thread dealing with trope similarities. This thread is for discussing tropes that appear to be a duplicate of another trope, and if it's agreed upon that the two tropes talked about are similar enough, one should start a thread about it in the Trope Repair Shop.

I'll start with my issue...


Asian Hooker Stereotype and Mighty Whitey and Mellow Yellow are pretty much the same trope—they both involve a white man and an Asian woman.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 8th 2024 at 5:29:57 AM

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#301: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:55:04 AM

I think Arsenal Attire is weapons hidden inside clothing, while Clothing Combat is the clothing itself used as a weapon (without any knick-knacks)?

I'm asking here for confirmation.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#302: Nov 18th 2019 at 5:11:04 AM

The descriptions, at least, seem to agree with you.

...

I'm wondering what's the relation between Thirsty Desert and Shifting Sand Land, and if Crossing the Desert is a subtrope of either of those and shouldn't be listed with them.

Edited by Malady on Nov 18th 2019 at 5:58:28 AM

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#303: Nov 23rd 2019 at 3:59:18 AM

Begging the Question seems awfully similar to Circular Reasoning. Whats the distinction between the two?

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
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#304: Nov 23rd 2019 at 4:29:24 PM

I'm a little unclear on that myself, but both are pre-existing terms, so theoretically you could ask someone who's into formal logic. I'm pretty sure Begging the Question is a subtrope of Circular Reasoning, though.

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#305: Nov 23rd 2019 at 11:29:46 PM

Help me understand:

Am I getting it right?

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Nov 23rd 2019 at 11:32:11 AM

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#306: Nov 25th 2019 at 9:55:57 PM

Difference between Out-of-Character Alert and O.O.C. Is Serious Business? Is the former an intentional effort by a character to let others know something is wrong, or...?

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#307: Nov 26th 2019 at 2:58:48 AM

Out-of-Character Alert: This character is doing something they wouldn't plausibly do. They must be under duress/an imposter. Must be addressed by the characters.

O.O.C. Is Serious Business: This character is doing something they wouldn't ordinarily do. They're definitely doing it of their own volition, because of the significance of current events. Often only implied that the characters notice.

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#308: Nov 26th 2019 at 3:17:23 AM

Hmmm, ok. I'll keep that in mind.

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GoldenDarkness Since: Jan, 2001
#309: Nov 26th 2019 at 9:45:56 AM

Few weeks ago we have launched the trope Comic Book Continuation, which is about comics that are written to follow up on other media. As it turns out we have Sequel in Another Medium, which seems to be a Super-Trope, but it is a Trivia item. What's the best way to reconcile this?

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#310: Nov 26th 2019 at 2:32:37 PM

Make Comic Book Continuation a trivia, too.

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#312: Nov 26th 2019 at 11:21:01 PM

[up] Unlaunch then.

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#313: Nov 28th 2019 at 6:07:52 PM

From what I can understand, Thirsty Desert seems to be a more realistic, deconstructed/dramatic version of Shifting Sand Land.

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mys. minty from the silly dimension
#314: Nov 30th 2019 at 10:10:01 AM

Too Powerful to Live is an objective trope for villains.

Too Cool to Live is a YMMV item for heroes.

... But as far as I can tell that's the only distinction between them? They're both too similar and too precisely differentiated.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Nov 30th 2019 at 10:10:09 AM

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#315: Nov 30th 2019 at 2:44:43 PM

[up] Yeah, not seeing them as necessarily separate.

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#317: Dec 1st 2019 at 6:52:39 PM

Twelfth Night Adventure seems to be specifically a plot where the crossdressing character uses their disguise make the society more tolerant of their true gender.

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wootzits (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#318: Dec 1st 2019 at 8:32:51 PM

Most of the examples don't seem to reflect that if that's the case.

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
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#319: Dec 1st 2019 at 9:19:07 PM

Well, I only read the description, since I've never heard of this trope until today.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#320: Dec 2nd 2019 at 7:36:28 AM

Is Ground Punch and Ground Pound sufficiently different? The one is slamming the ground with a fist (or both fists), either for intimidation or for making it shake and causing damage, the other is doing the same but with the entire body (jumping and then landing to shake the ground). The two names are very similar (especially since "pound" can also mean hitting something with a fist), and the effect is often very much the same, so I think it may be a good idea to merge the two.

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#321: Dec 2nd 2019 at 1:48:51 PM

From my understanding, Ground Pound is a supertrope to both Ground Punch and Belly Flop Crushing.

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#322: Dec 13th 2019 at 5:34:43 PM

How does Gut Punch relate to Shocking Moments?

I'm also gonna ask the difference of Chekhov's Gunman and Small Role, Big Impact. That is, I know they're different, I just don't know the way to word it right.

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Dec 13th 2019 at 5:46:22 AM

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wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
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#323: Dec 13th 2019 at 6:55:42 PM

From Gut Punch itself: "This is about a single moment that instantly and clearly establishes that the tone of the work as a whole is fundamentally darker than what the audience has been led to expect."

... Odd name for that trope.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#324: Dec 13th 2019 at 8:32:27 PM

Bringing back "Blind Idiot" Translation discussion... What's the difference between that and Lost in Translation?

Especially as their descriptions don't crosswick...

Edited by Malady on Dec 13th 2019 at 8:34:40 AM

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#325: Dec 13th 2019 at 8:53:18 PM

"Blind Idiot" Translation is about a translation being overly literal and awkward.

Lost in Translation is about information present in the original work failing to appear in a translation.

A "Blind Idiot" Translation might still contain all the necessary information. A case of Lost in Translation may still read perfectly smoothly. (Kingdom Hearts I has a lot of the latter, due mostly to having been localized under the assumption that it would be a standalone game.)

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