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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#101: Dec 7th 2019 at 9:34:19 PM

[up]Other recent TRS threads have used sandboxes for that purpose, so that might be a good idea.

I got a rock for Halloween.
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#102: Dec 8th 2019 at 8:15:29 AM

No objections here.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#103: Dec 21st 2019 at 8:09:20 PM

Has anyone made the draft for Definite Article Title?

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Malady (X-Troper)
#104: Dec 22nd 2019 at 12:19:58 AM

[up] - We were just gonna figure out a description rewrite and move the examples over, to preserve History and stuff, I guess.

Here's a draft?

It may be a stylistic choice, it may just be laziness, but for whatever reason, works usually have titles prefaced a definite article, like "A", "An", or "The". These names are often things like (to take examples from the popular Animorphs series): 'The Experiment', 'The Escape', and so on. If an author uses this trope to excess, expect the names to get a little odd (The Happening), confusing (The Unexpected), or downright unhelpful (The Attack, The Threat). The author may also get really carried away with the "The" count and "The" the title until it makes little grammatical sense.

See also Spell My Name with a "The". Inconsistent use causes The "The" Title Confusion, where it's unclear whether or not something begins with a "the".

Edited by Malady on Mar 12th 2020 at 6:16:15 AM

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#105: Dec 27th 2019 at 5:16:59 AM

A question to those 12 tropers who voted for it, why do you think Definite Article Title is worth having as a page?

Malady (X-Troper)
#106: Dec 27th 2019 at 5:26:11 AM

We had a long talk about it on page 3...

~Water Blap's summary or collection is here:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1517097975055231700&page=3#comment-62

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Malady (X-Troper)
#107: Feb 21st 2020 at 3:52:17 PM

So, we are making Definite Article Title, right? If so, what are your thoughts on the preliminary description above?

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#108: Mar 10th 2020 at 12:31:45 PM

So, let's see if I can get things moving again..

[up] I think it looks ok so far.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#109: Mar 11th 2020 at 1:41:15 AM

[up] - Anything missing in the description?

Maybe less focus on "The", but that's minor?

I guess we can do with a quote and picture, but those are optional...

If you think we're good, just holler a mod to move the page and change the description...

Edited by Malady on Mar 11th 2020 at 1:43:37 AM

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#110: Mar 12th 2020 at 5:52:41 AM

Rather than "Not to be confused with", I recommend "Inconsistent use causes" for the relationship to The "The" Title Confusion.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#111: Mar 12th 2020 at 6:19:19 AM

[up] - Updated "preliminary" description.

Technically, any mod can do the move. Any other changes before I holler a mod, presuming they're not already watching...

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#112: Mar 12th 2020 at 8:47:47 AM

[tup][tup][tup]

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Malady (X-Troper)
#113: Mar 24th 2020 at 2:23:00 AM

Okay, I think I've waited long enough... Who's a mod... Ah.

~Berrenta, could you move The The Title to Definite Article Title, and change the description to the "preliminary" one above?

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#114: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:07:02 AM

Move done.

Time to move wicks. Not counting the redirects that will be cut, we got 250 to move.

Edited by Berrenta on Mar 24th 2020 at 9:09:41 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#115: Mar 24th 2020 at 1:24:41 PM

Calling "The Titling" as a Sub-Trope, of course.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#116: Mar 25th 2020 at 1:55:05 AM

Can we not have somebody go around and add Definite Article Title to all works that start with a "the", like The Babadook? This feels more like an index page that can live without pointless crosswicks.

Edited by eroock on Mar 25th 2020 at 1:57:43 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#117: Mar 25th 2020 at 2:02:14 AM

[up] - Well, no, this is a trope, but there should be context, like,

"Antagonist Title. 'Babadook' is the name of a singular monster, and 'The' means that it's not a personal name, but a type of object."

Edited by Malady on Mar 25th 2020 at 2:04:26 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#118: Mar 25th 2020 at 4:45:44 AM

Right, the definite article needs to have some added meaning. We can't just start adding every title that happens to have a definite article for no particular reason other than grammar. That's why this thread started in the first place.

It should not simply be an exhaustive list of grammatical examples, they need to be significant in some way.

For example, I think "The Dark Tower" (by Stephen King) would be a poor example, because the definite article is just a grammatical addition. "Dark Tower" has a more indefinite sound about it.

Edited by Redmess on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:50:03 PM

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Malady (X-Troper)
#119: Mar 25th 2020 at 6:07:34 AM

[up] - I think that's a fine example to add. People use the Definite Article, for its Definite-ness.

But, we should also discuss, what's so special about this specific Dark Tower that makes it important enough to get the Definite-ness.

I know because it's some Multiversal Nexus or whatever, but that is an important part of the context.

It's not just for the definity, it's why this thing deserves definity.

Edited by Malady on Mar 25th 2020 at 6:07:48 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#120: Mar 25th 2020 at 6:41:31 AM

Yes, you could probably make an argument for that work. The problem is, though, that there are thousands of works with such titles. Do we really want such an extensive list? Who is going to read that anyway? If we really are going that route, then it would be better to either make it an index with a short description of the general idea, or a longer description with a few notable examples, with no further examples added.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
Malady (X-Troper)
#122: Mar 25th 2020 at 7:49:00 AM

Well, then we're getting to the point of calling an Omnipresent Trope, right?

Huh. It seems like that was never floated as an option. Well, I'm okay with making it Omnipresent.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#123: Mar 25th 2020 at 10:05:47 AM

Yes, I think we can make a good case for making it an Omnipresent Trope.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#125: Mar 25th 2020 at 10:22:26 AM

Should we single-prop crowner it, or just call everyone in and manual tally?

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27th Oct '18 4:46:16 AM

Crown Description:

What to do with The The Title? Note: Option 1 to 3 are not mutually exclusive, 3 and 4 are.

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