You... keep making false dichotomies. Yes, he learned a breath technique. Because he was subjected to Training from Hell he didn't want to do and was physically forced into. That he developed a relationship with the man who bought him and forced him to train against his will and eventually learned a technique to make the guy happy doesn't make that any less sketchy.
Are you... like literally incapable of admitting that there's any faults with this work?
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Put like that Zenitsu does kind of come off as a case of Stockholm Syndrome.
x3 Like did you even read the thing? He literally become good at one move because he keep practicing that one move on his own since he thinks that the only thing he good at despite he could not doing that(he could just half-ass practice it), his confidence issue came from the fact that most people just gave up on him when he show any sight of quitting. Even Zenitsu admitted that the training wasn't hard, he was just making a scene for attention. His master was the first person who didn't do that and instead keep pushing him to embrace his talent.
There criticism and then there nip-picking about the story because it doesn't dive into the organization stuffs despite it was never the focus of the story(aka:the cinemasin approach)
Edited by BattleRaizer on Jun 7th 2021 at 7:53:12 PM
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Except asking obvious questions that the story gives you a reason to ask is not nitpicky. If the story itself didn't bring up the fact that things are apparently getting worse while they're understaffed, people probably wouldn't feel a need to ask why the shown response is so obviously counterproductive to both of those facts.
I have to agree with Larkman, I've gone through this entire thread, and any time anyone brings up potential criticisms of the story you just say "nitpick" and act as if the point is obviously illegitimate.
Edited by LSBK on Jun 8th 2021 at 7:34:48 AM
Guys, I understand how into the argument you all are, but in the end, this was a Shounen series, and here where real world logic fails rule of cool normally picks up the slack.
Try not to think too hard, otherwise you run into the same issue some people have with the recruitment process of Space Marines in 40k. Or Grey Knights even.
I think that's actually pretty insulting to other Shonens and fiction in general. That Rule of Cool and Acceptable Breaks from Reality are things doesn't mean there's anything wrong with pointing out lazy writing.
No one has even said the series was bad or unenjoyable just acknowledging things that bothered them. That only seems to be a problem because one person is insistent that there are no logical inconsistencies at all.
You are trying to apply real world logic to a story that run on myth and folk tale logic. And the point is that the inconsistency you speak off literally doesn't matter in the story. This isn't the story about the social implication of the politic of a world with monster hidden in them, this isn't a story about military or how to organization a private army. It's about a brother trying to save his sister. Heck even in the last chapter it show Zenitsu's descendant reading the story from Zenitsu writing.
Also like many shounen or even every stories, the author could find a plot point that doesn't fit the story anymore and just ignore it. It not lazy writing, it's know which part is important to the story and which isn't.
Edited by BattleRaizer on Jun 9th 2021 at 12:18:24 AM
E.T technically is a Isekai movieDemon Slayer is set in the 1910s, that's way too modern to say the story runs on myth and folklore logic.
It seems to go that direction in the start, but then it establishes that it's actually pretty modern and... does nothing with it. It doesn't fit the modern era at all, which makes me wonder if it was only done so that the epilogue could have the grandkids in the present-ish day.
It feels like an afterthought, like most of the manga's worldbuilding. Taisho is such an underutilized period, to my knowledge, and Croc-sensei just does nothing with it beyond giving Muzan a fedora. Even the Train Arc could have happened in Meiji, period-wise.
Like, the ranking system among the Demon Slayer Corps? Unimportant; main characters ascend to Pillar-esque strength almost right after it's introduced. The final battle taking place in a giant city? Doesn't matter, it's been "evacuated" (if it was; and even then, I question the logistics of an illegitimate paramilitary organization evacuating an entire city without causing a fuss, to put lightly) and it's merely a background prop to change things up a bit. Lower Moons? Straight-up slaughtered after Rui, the presumably weakest one of them, falls.
Honestly, you could have just made the kids in the epilogue generic descendants just as readily.
It would frankly make more sense both ways if that was the case. The further back the story is in the past, the more it makes sense that the demons are a fringe problem and the more generations between the story and the present day descendants, the more it makes sense for them to write it off as a story.
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1. Taishou period: It the last period before WW 2, where the past still mix with the modern due to how Japan modernize. It the period where the modernization process is almost complete and the remain of the feudal era on it last leg. The setting is choosen for the theme, the end where the last remains of the past go away in a final battle(The Corp and the Demon). It's essentially an End of an Era story.
2. The demon slayer ranking: it one of the thing that doesn't fit with the story anymore. None of the young characters see climbing the rank as their main motivation. Even the story poke fun of this by show that Tajirou didn't even know about how the ranking work and he simply didn't care.
3. The lower moon: Muzan kill them because they haven't accomplished anything worthwhile for hundred of years. Muzan only keep the LM around because he like Rui. It also to show how petty and arbitrary Muzan in constrast with the leader of the Corp in the way they treat their subordinates. Heck even the strongest LM under Muzan buff can't even touch a Pillar.
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- That's great, except I can't help but feel this is not an immediately apparent notion. And if you wanted to go for something that's "end of an era", you could have taken the twilight of Edo before it transitions into Meiji. Makes for a more optimistic future in comparison to what came after Taisho...
- The problem with the argument with the Lower Moons is that we meet them and see them die in a span of five seconds. We learn from Muzan that they haven't done anything notable in a while, but considering he's got the mindset of a modern shareholder who's only satisfied when the impossible happens, this is just something we're told.
- Rui's the toughest fight Tanjiro's had up to that date, and even with his dramatic power-up he still couldn't come out on top until Giyuu swept in for a save. There's no reason to believe other Lower Moons wouldn't give him a hard time. Certainly would be more believable than him jumping from barely surviving a Lower Moon to just slugging it out with Higher Moons like it's Tuesday.
From Muzan logic, why bother sending keeping and sending the weak one out to kill Tanjirou? Might as well send the strongest among them out first and save your time. Also it tie in with Muzan belief in his own superiority and his incredible short temper.
Edited by BattleRaizer on Jun 9th 2021 at 7:44:53 PM
E.T technically is a Isekai movieI think the point being made is, from a writing perspective, why include the Lower Moons at all if you were just going to unceremoniously dump them all the moment the protagonist surpasses one. Muzan could have killed any number of mooks for much the same "belief in his own superiority and his incredible short temper" impact without hyping them up the way the Lower Moons were.
Alternatively, if the Lower Moons were all at about or just over the Ball and Arrow demons' power, the story could have gone much the same and not have this issue. Part of the threat of the spider family was there were so many of them. Focus on that rather than the one's high power and things might have gelled better for that sequence without losing anything in the arc itself.
And speaking of Muzan, I know where not supposed to like him, but I didn't even really enjoy hating him. Because while people here have said things like the story actually wants us to think he's a powerful idiot who just got lucky, I never got that impression. It feels to me like the writer wanted us to consider him this big Machiavellian mastermind and just did a shit job of actually making him one.
Muzan never strike me as some mastermind like Aizen. Despite the way he talk and act, he was ridden with flaws that readers could pick up on. Even in his first appearance, his temper and insecurity were very clear. Other characters even point out Muzan is a huge coward despite how much power he has. Basically he know how to pretend to be smart and above humanity (since he was a noble back in ancient time) but in reality he not. Even his backstory emphasize how short temper he was and how it comeback to bite him. Really Muzan doesn't even have a grand plan, he just want to find a way to become total immortal.
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I think something could be done with that notion, if the Lower Moons never existed. You could have Rui be an outlier, an aberration that lucked out beneath Muzan's notice, have the characters wonder just what would happen if Muzan did actually let demons team up in coherent teams - and then the reveal that he, in fact, has a whole cadre of demon enforcers ready to sic on things that bother him, would hit that much more strongly.
As it is, the fact that Lower Moons exist naturally implies the existence of Higher Moons and takes that mystique away, even if Akaza makes a hell of a first impression.
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Which never really made any sense to me. He was so ridiculously above all the others, and also apparently could literally destroy them at anytime, in what world is something like that going to happen. And also that thing about how all other demons's lives (except Tamayo and Yushiro, I guess) were tied directly to his own.
Which might be the point, he's such a coward he's worried about things he knows are literally impossible, but if so, I feel like there are better, less nonsensical ways to get that point across.
Edited by LSBK on Jan 10th 2022 at 7:15:10 AM

No, he did pay Zenitsu dept because he feel pity for him, he never ask Zenitsu to call him gramp or follow his foot step beside want him to inherit his breath Style with his other students. The fact that while Zenitsu whine and complain all the time, he actually try hard enough to master at least one move (this is what he done completely on his own) and his master could see his confidence issue. He know Zenitsu need someone to give him a motivation and force him for he to be able to be his best. This has happened multiple times in the series, Zenitsu literally said he despite him resisting, he would ready to go into the spider mountain if the other 2 actually ask him to. SO in reality, Zenitsu just looking for an excuse to do things since he can't see himself doing those things voluntary.
Edited by BattleRaizer on Jun 8th 2021 at 1:00:20 AM
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