90th Academy Awards (Oscars)

Zootopia didn't even deserve to win Animated Feature, Moana and Kubo and the Two Strings were both better.

Maybe you can make a whole case for Deadpool. You can absolutely make a case for The Dark Knight; that was bullshit. But seriously, click back through the last 10 years or so on the Box Office Mojo page. Not a ton of movies that deserve little statuettes.

Again HOW are we making a case for Deadpool ?

Seriously most of the characters are very stock, it’s story is very simple (and no. Don’t mean that in a good way), and it’s quality rides in no small part off of its over the top violence and crude humour.

edited 24th Jan '18 12:14:58 PM by thatindiantroper

Moana I’ll uphold, but whatever my mixed feelings on Zootopia it has WAY more depth, clarity of metaphor, and success in plot execution than Kubo. Kubo fell apart badly at the climax.

edited 24th Jan '18 12:12:15 PM by Tuckerscreator

I'm more curious how Logan is being sidestepped here while The Dark Knight and Deadpool aren't.

You mean why wasn’t it snubbed ? Yeah I’m surprised it got that nomination too.

Zootopia was the deserved winner that year....if someone cares, I can link to an article I did recently comparing Moana with Pocahontas which, among other things, took apart the structures of the movies and explained how Moana fails multiple times to execute tropes in a meaningful manner (most notably the ticking clock and the all is lost moment). But I think Maona was shafted in the music category, it had a way better soundtrack than La La-Land.

And Kubo is an artistic masterpiece, but the narrative is important, too. Zootopia has both, top-notch animation with a lot of creative elements and a story which was not just topical but did some really interesting thing structurally. And I honestly think that it deserved a best picture nomination and would most likely had gotten it if it had been released closer to the award season instead of the beginning of the year.

Backing Zootopia over Moana is fightin’ words for me. Moana had a much tighter story and deeper emotional catharsis. And the animation was better. The ocean/water animation was lush and the Te-Ka design was gorgeous.

Since I don't want to write a whole article here:

https://swanpride3.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/double-take-pocahontas-vs-moana/

There is a lot to love about Moana, but the narrative weaknesses keep it from being an all around success.

Or, if you want to see a more positive video, here's one from Lindsay Ellis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ARX0-AylFI&t=4s

Lindsey only discusses the quality of the portrayal of the culture. She isn't talking about the quality of the movie. I actually agree with pretty much all of her points in my article, if anything, I am even more positive about it than she is. But that doesn't just remove the weaknesses of the movie on a structural level.

edited 25th Jan '18 3:25:55 AM by Swanpride

“Moana had a much tighter story and deeper emotional catharsis. And the animation was better. “

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

...Great, now I’m agreeing with Swanpride again. That’s three now.

It is known to happen. Once a while. Hell, you might even like my article and agree with me regarding what I say about Pocahontas in it.

Anyway, this year Coco is pretty much set. Breadwinner already won the Annie for best independent production, so it got some love too. Otherwise I am more p... about Boss Baby being nominated than about anything else. Boss Baby. Freaking Boss Baby!!!!

Which reminds me though....ever realized that there actually is one Superhero movie which has won an Acadamy award? It's called Big Hero 6. Two if The Incredibles won too, but I would have to look it up.....

edited 25th Jan '18 5:01:21 AM by Swanpride

I watched Darkest Hour yesterday. It's a pretty great and entertaining film, but it doesn't deserve a best film academy award (if anything, nominating it for best photography would have made more sense given the gorgeous chiaroscuro, borderline noir-ish framing of several scenes).

Best actor, however, is an award Oldman definitely deserves. If nothing else for his sheer capacity to maintain a performance as tight as this one under this weapons grade amount of prosthetics.

That’s the one nominee I’d cut from the list.

Replace it with Blade Runner.

The Academy has been marginally more forward thinking with its nominees in recent years, but Darkest Hour smacks of the Oscar Bait productions that have been nominated and won in the past, like The King's Speech.

I would like the record to reflect that Kobe Bryant has been nominated for an Oscar.

Like I said, it's a great film, just undeserving of the best film nomination.

For what is worth, I find Logan would actually be more deserving of being on the running.

The King's Speech is a great movie. One of my favs released in the last years.

The Darkest hour has no chance to win anyway.

edited 25th Jan '18 6:14:48 AM by Swanpride

Just saw Coco (release got pushed back over here for reasons of "not competing with Paddington 2).

If they've actually watched the films, clear winner (unless The Breadwinner is flawless, but I won't know that until May).

I’m calling shenanigans that A Silent Voice wasn’t nominated for animated feature... especially over the crap that was actually nominated.

edited 25th Jan '18 8:44:05 AM by Memers

It’s fitting that the award for animated movies is called the Annies

Because clearly they’re the red headed orphan nobody cares about. (Note I have never seen Little Orphan Annie, so if I screwed this joke up somehow....don’t correct me.)

Casey Affleck has announced that he will not be attending the Oscars this year or presenting the Best Actress award.

As you might recall, Affleck was accused of abuse by several women who worked on the set of his film “I’m Still Here”. After receiving the Best Actor Award last year, considerable attention was given to Brie Larson and Denzel Washington both refusing to clap for him. Now with the Me Too efforts in the limelight, it appears he’s feeling the heat and retreating.

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She does comment on the narratives a bit and I think her other videos make the stance clear. Pocohontas is a really weak movie. Everything is pretty shallow with not much depth. The character motivation is non-existent with an entire "I WANT" song dedicated to just the subject and verb with no, well, direct object.

Moana has a clear motivation and personality: She's facinated by voyaging to great new places and has good leadership skills. She's also got an entire number about discovering her own culture's history and has a firmly established goal to follow that discovery.

Moana and Pocohontas may not have the same kind of story as one is a Disney romance and the other is a buddy road trip fantasy, but Moana kind of is the stronger package.

A Silent Voice is a 2016 film… unless they count the American release date?

The animation industry cares about the Annies. And those are the people who matter most. It's not like anyone than animation fans pay attention to the Academy award for animation either.

The question was, though, if Moana is better than Zootopia, not Pocahontas...that wasn't the topic of the article I linked to, I know, but the article did point out the structural problems in Moana. And some other aspects. Because at the end of the day, both Pocahontas and Moana have a the same problem narratively: They follow the Disney Princess formula in places where they would be better off ditching it and doing their own thing.

edited 25th Jan '18 1:46:47 PM by Swanpride

Exactly. Not all award shows are for everyone. Your favorite animated feature is not recognized? Look for the Annies. No recognition for your favorite comic book movie? The Saturn Awards are here.