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Aug 10th 2018 at 12:55:28 AM

The reaction to this idea is intensely negative; if we're lucky, it's killed.

This is all because they're petrified that Black Panther won't get nominated. Instead of creating some stupid award for comic book movies and the cinema of Michael Bay, they should do something smarter to rectify whiffs in the nomination process. How about a committee to add nominees that the Academy membership passes over? They do it with the baseball Hall of Fame!

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Aug 10th 2018 at 1:30:05 AM

Thereís 10 slots; it was basically guaranteed BP would be nominated anyway, considering fitting in the most popular movie was what the 10 slots were originally designed for, after The Dark Knight got snubbed. Itís more likely a ratings attempt to give a consolation prize now that viewers have wised up that half of the nominees are ballast.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 10th 2018 at 1:30:12 AM

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Aug 10th 2018 at 1:44:34 AM

it was basically guaranteed BP would be nominated anyway

I disagree. Comic book movies are never nominated, not even after the field was expanded. And it's not just a comic book movie, it's a movie with an almost all-black cast and crew. That's two strikes.

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Aug 10th 2018 at 1:45:27 AM

[up] Well, Logan got nominated for adapted screenplay.

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Aug 10th 2018 at 1:50:04 AM

The Oscars are special in that to even be nominated is to acquire some respect from people who are well versed in that category. Actors vote for actors, directors vote for directors, writers vote for scripts, etc. That is what makes the Oscars something special, it can still be political (Oscar nominating packages "For Your Consideration" are passed out and everyone votes for the winner after the nominations are set) but it is about being recognized by your peers. Other awards are about critics and movie buffs instead of people who actually know what they are looking for. Cinematographers could tell you what lens was used for a particular shot, stuntmen know the difference between free fall, wires and green screen. That's the biggest problem with the "Best Popular Movie" category, what area of movie making does it recognize?

The Golden Globes is more about nominating big names so the Hollywood Foreign Press can hang around them for an evening. People's Choice, Critics Choice and even the Golden Rasberries are just trying be heard.

Aug 10th 2018 at 1:52:01 AM

Well, Logan got nominated for adapted screenplay.

There are a few examples of movies based on comic books that have gotten odd nominations for stuff outside of the technical awards and such. But—and this is my favorite piece of Oscar trivia—the only movie based on a comic book, comic strip, or graphic novel to ever be nominated for Best Picture is a 1931 film called Skippy. It was based on a comic strip, and it's awful.

We'll find out next year of course. Maybe the huge tide of good reviews behind Black Panther and the somewhat less white membership of the Academy and the knowledge of just how terrible the Academy will look if it gets snubbed will do the trick.

I still think they need a committee for extra nominations. Presumably AMPAS has some kind of governing board. Let them fix things if the membership's voting results in a Dark Knight-style whiff.

Edited by jamespolk on Aug 10th 2018 at 1:51:49 AM

Aug 10th 2018 at 2:51:17 AM

I am actually not that into seeing Black Panther nominated. The movie just isn't good enough overall. It is culturally significant, but how do you reward cultural significant movies?

Hence my suggestion to do the whole "important moments of the year" segment. I mean, that Black Panther will get nominated for costumes is kind of a given. So why not doing a segment acknowledging what a cultural impact it had and then segment into the category itself? The only downside of it would be that the audience will automatically root for Black Panther over everyone else, but, well, exactly that will make it more engaged in what is happening and maybe they will check out what this other movie which got the award did so great (though I actually expect Black Panther to walk away with this one anyway).

There are a lot of ways to acknowledge a movie at the ceremony even if it doesn't have a best picture nomination.

Aug 10th 2018 at 4:05:25 AM

I am actually not that into seeing Black Panther nominated. The movie just isn't good enough overall. It is culturally significant, but how do you reward cultural significant movies?

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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:17:32 AM

I'm bored. Let's play a game! It's called "When Oscar Got It Right". The following will be a list of Best Picture winners that one could make a case for actually deserving to win the award that year. Here we go!

Edited by jamespolk on Aug 10th 2018 at 4:19:59 AM

Aug 10th 2018 at 4:21:28 AM

I love Casablanca so much. I still find it insane how much it was lightning in a bottle regarding the production.

Aug 10th 2018 at 4:23:17 AM

[up]Just a perfect movie, really.

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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:27:20 AM

I'm embarrassed to admit that out of all the movies listed,the only one I've seen is The Return of the King,which absolutely deserved it's win

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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:31:17 AM

I think that the Wizard of Oz or Mr. Smith Goes to Washington should have won over Gone With the Wind. Iíve seen it. It is melodramatic schlock thatís basically propaganda for the glorious south/lost cause myth.

The book is even worse.

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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:35:53 AM

I've read the book too,portraying the KKK as noble and heroic nearly made stop reading,but I continued on despite the clear disgust I had for the author

The only nice thing I can say about Gone with The Wind 's film is the costumes were gorgeous

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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:37:58 AM

I think that the Wizard of Oz or Mr. Smith Goes to Washington should have won over Gone With the Wind.

Those are both very solid picks.

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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:46:55 AM

I've seen Wizard of Oz but not Mr.Smith,after learning what happened to actress to played who Dorthy it's harder for me give the film any sort of award,I'd have given the award to Mr.Smith instead

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 10th 2018 at 11:46:42 AM

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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:56:18 AM

Judy Garland's troubled life really shouldn't be laid at the feet of The Wizard of Oz.

Aug 10th 2018 at 5:00:54 AM

No, but the movie studios and bosses certainly bear a decent amount of responsibility for how badly they treated her.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 10th 2018 at 8:02:43 AM

Aug 10th 2018 at 5:05:56 AM

Gone of the Wind won for the gorgeous costumes and set, the mass scenes (especially the scene in which Scarlet is looking for a doctor and is surrounded by wounded soldiers is still impressive...and frankly, I can't think of another movie which did that. I have seen a lot which used those shots to show the battle, but not a single one which used such a shot to show the aftermath of a battle, not in this scale. Plus, as melodramatic and problematic as the story is, Scarlett O'Hara somehow ended up a very interesting character.

It was also the highest grossing movie of the year, soooooÖ.

Anyway, I am absolutely sure that they DIDN'T get it right with My Fair Lady - Mary Poppins should have won, or Doctor Strangelove - and with Forrest Gump. Because as good as Forrest Gump is, both Pulp Fiction and Shawshank's Redemption (which would have been my pick for the year) are even better movies.

I am strangely not sure if Silence of the Lambs was the right pick because you have to make a strong case for Beauty and the Beast.

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 10th 2018 at 5:16:19 AM

Aug 10th 2018 at 5:08:56 AM

[up]If we were making an Award Snub "Oscar fucked up" list the list would be a *lot* longer. You list a few of the worst misses. The 1980s really was a terrible decade for the Oscars; I put Platoon up there but I'm not sure about it and the other nine years were awful mistakes.

GWTW remains a technically staggering achievement. You are right, that scene with the wounded in Atlanta is jaw-dropping.

Edited by jamespolk on Aug 10th 2018 at 5:08:31 AM

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Aug 10th 2018 at 5:11:04 AM

And the burning of Atlanta,holy shit that scene

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Aug 10th 2018 at 5:23:29 AM

Let's see the 1980s...

is it bad that I haven't seen one single movie from 1980 including the winner? In 1981 the movie which still resonates the most to this day is clearly Raiders of the Lost arc and not Chariots of Fire, in 1982 they picked Gandhi over the arguably way more influential E.T. (in terms of film making, not pop culture)...and after that...holy sh... how didn't The Colour Purple win? How could Dead Poets Society lose to Driving Ms Daisy of all movies? If it had lost against Born on the fourth of July but DRIVING MS DAISY??????

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 10th 2018 at 5:26:12 AM

Aug 10th 2018 at 5:26:38 AM

1980: It's bad that you haven't seen Raging Bull, it's bad you haven't seen The Elephant Man. The other movies including the winner are extremely missable.

1989 was real bad. The real bad part was how Do the Right Thing wasn't even nominated.

Aug 10th 2018 at 5:35:05 AM

See, that is the problem with the a popular movie award...because I don't think that you can really gauge the popularity of a movie in the year it was released. Nobody saw Shawshank's Redemption. I was literally the only one in the theatre when I saw it, and in my case it was a "let's see, what can I watch, mmm, prison movies are usually at least not boring" decision. Everyone saw Forrest Gump. But now, years later, Shawshank's Redemption is the way more beloved movie.

Everyone was talking about Shakespeare in Love back in the day, but does anyone still care about the movie NOW?


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