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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#151: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:33:14 AM

I'll keep this game on my radar. Persona 5 is one of my favorite games of all time.

Once Upon A Time.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#152: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:34:02 AM

Not sure how the Polytheistic Muatari will be treated but it’s the playable one who has the Summoner Lineage(aka the Archetype with Devil Summoning).

Indeed one of the more minor Muatari candidates for the Throne wants all religions to be accepted.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Sivartis Captionless One from Lubberland, or the Isle of Lazye Since: Apr, 2009
Captionless One
#153: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:54:03 AM

I knew the church was going to be evil the second the game opened with a "this game should not be taken as a condemnation of any real-world political or religious organizations" disclaimer.

♭What.
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#155: Oct 11th 2024 at 9:08:43 AM

[up][up]Hah. They knew what they were doing, so they at least covered their bases.

Very shockingly, in the Trails series, you do play as a priest as part of a JRPG church, and they aren't evil at all.

No, I'm not shitting you.

....whut....

Like, I think that La Pucelle is one of the few JRP Gs I can name off the top of my head where the church isn't evil, and that's because there are two churches and the main character is part of one of them. They had another church that was evil.

Beyond that, there's Castlevani, that portrays the Church as pretty heroic and a staunch ally of the Belmont family, which makes Netflix making almost all church characters assholes, and distancing characters tied to the church distant from them ironic.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 11th 2024 at 9:08:58 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#156: Oct 11th 2024 at 9:25:43 AM

Also as I just pointed out Trails.

Legit, the third game stars a PRIEST who is a member of the Church's Jedi Order and his nun sidekick.

I do need to actually play that, but from what I see, the Church is shockingly not evil at all, and are legit good guys.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 12th 2024 at 12:26:00 AM

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BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#157: Oct 11th 2024 at 9:37:08 AM

Someone changed the page image without opening an image picking thread so I made one. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17286643840.27392900

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#158: Oct 11th 2024 at 9:59:31 AM

I'd put an asterisk next to Trails, as the series isn't over yet and you never know for sure what's going to happen.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#159: Oct 11th 2024 at 10:05:36 AM

Please tell me that Kevin is secretly a bad guy, and more evil than Osborne.

But I guess we'll see.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#161: Oct 11th 2024 at 11:24:39 AM

Fuck I should have pre-ordered this game when I had the chance. Oh well.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#162: Oct 11th 2024 at 1:38:46 PM

Sales have apparently already surpassed a million copies.

I’d have pre-ordered, but I got a birthday coming up and it’s more frugal to drop a hint to my folks.

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Oct 11th 2024 at 4:41:25 AM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#163: Oct 11th 2024 at 3:24:21 PM

The official list of all confirmed SMT Demons in Metaphor in the Summoner Lineage. Warning: Spoilers for the ultimate Archetype for said character(only they get to use it).

https://www.rpgsite.net/guide/16413-metaphor-refantazio-demon-cameos-all-smt-persona-crossover-summons-from-devil-summoner-archetype

The ultimate Summoner Archetype of the game uses a mix of Metaphor monsters(excluding humans) and SMT demons.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 11th 2024 at 3:25:15 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#164: Oct 11th 2024 at 5:58:11 PM

Edelgard: The church is to blame! Again

Just Makima.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#165: Oct 11th 2024 at 7:28:59 PM

It’s funny because I do see similarities with Edelgard and Louis albeit the latter gets to play villain more.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#166: Oct 11th 2024 at 7:55:06 PM

I always see all the memes about the church being evil in JRP Gs. It would be interesting to see if that ever held true for a church derived off of Shintoism, Buddhism, or anything that isn't evil foreigner-ish to the Japanese devs.

Does anyone actually read these?
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#167: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:12:55 PM

The major theme really is 'Organized Religion is bad' rather than just 'religion is bad', Shinto and Buddhism really arn't extremely organized at all. While on the opposite side... Japan has been beset by missionaries and such for something like 600 years.

But well... Sekiro the Buddhist monks gone wrong of Senpou Temple. The horrors they caused like the Centipede Men and such...

MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#168: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:20:15 PM

[up] Pretty sure they're doing it because they can portray Christianity as negatively as they want without sparking any controversy in Japan.

After all, Atlas has been doing it for the last thirty years and absolutely nobody in Japan has ever complained about Megami Tensei.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Oct 12th 2024 at 6:40:07 AM

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#169: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:24:23 PM

It would be interesting to see if that ever held true for a church derived off of Shintoism, Buddhism, or anything that isn't evil foreigner-ish to the Japanese devs.

The Fatal Frame games often had religious rituals that are basically perversions of Shinto, especially if you're familiar with the concept of kegare.

From Software has a couple games that contain perversions of Buddhism and Shinto beliefs. Like [up][up] said, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice featured a major example of perverted Buddhism with the Senpou Temple monks. But even their European-ish settings often delve into Buddhist and Shinto beliefs.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Oct 11th 2024 at 8:25:05 AM

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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#170: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:24:48 PM

I'm not criticizing this game for anything as I haven't heard any spoilers. I'm just talking about the trend that JRPG standards tend to be that any Western-coded church is demonic brainwash devil-spawn and any religion that's actually practiced in Japan like Shinto or Buddhism is automatically right and holy.

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Oct 11th 2024 at 11:26:13 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#171: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:29:15 PM

] IIRC, there was quite a lot of nationalist undertones in SMT IV where the Japanese gods were aligned with Neutral which is the good guy alignment compared to Law and Chaos which have non-Japanese deities like YHVH and Lucifer.

There’s also the unfortunate portrayal of a Chinese mythology figure who is outright called a “foreign demon” and is fought in the corner of Tokyo that is known to have immigrants IRL.

SMTIVA DID address the nationalist undertones by revealing the prime minister of Japan fucked shit up by trying to get rid of foreign influence to make Japan great again, and a major Buddhist figure is aligned with the Divine powers.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 11th 2024 at 11:30:12 PM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#172: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:37:06 PM

[up][up][up][up] Eh? P3 was positively dripping in positive Christian mythology. Its not the religion that Atlus has any issue with.

Same for other religions like Digital Devil Saga is spot on with its use of Hindu mythology, excessively so.

Edited by Memers on Oct 11th 2024 at 8:37:20 AM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#173: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:38:08 PM

Most of the games I've seen that portray Japanese religions in a darker fashion tend to be horror games. Like I mentioned before, the Fatal Frame games derive quite a bit of their horror from how the religious practices are basically blasphemous if you're familiar with Shinto beliefs.

Higurashi: When They Cry is another example of a game that portrays Japanese religious practices in a darker manner. Though like the Fatal Frame games, it does require players to know about the concept of kegare to really understand why the religious practices portrayed are taboo.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Oct 11th 2024 at 8:40:44 AM

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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#174: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:42:16 PM

It's not that they cannot portray other culture's religions positively, it's the idea that they themselves are the only ones who will never be portrayed negatively unless it's niche horror.

Say what you will about the western world, but our media has no hesitance about slamming major religious practices.

Does anyone actually read these?
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#175: Oct 11th 2024 at 8:44:23 PM

Except when comparing it to foreign religion.

“This is a shit hole, but it’s OUR shithole” is an attitude that is pretty prevalent.

Speaking as a MURICAN from New York, while we do have a lot of diversity, there’s a lot of shit heads who will complain about going to Church but say it’s better than the Quran.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 11th 2024 at 11:45:56 PM

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