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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#301: Oct 28th 2024 at 1:46:03 AM

That's just the Nidia eyes, yeah they're unsettling but I think in junah's case it adds to the retro look she's got going on. She looks like a late 60s/early 70s shojo character.

Silentedge89 Since: Apr, 2012
#302: Oct 28th 2024 at 1:55:45 AM

I don't think she is one though? She doesn't have the same eyes they do. Maybe I'm wrong because I don't have the game quite yet but she looks like an Ishika.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#303: Oct 28th 2024 at 2:00:37 AM

Okay, so I've made progress on the second dungeon.

I love Heimsay. He's a cool bat creature knight. Awesome. So he's like the Teddie and Morgana token non-human teammate right? Granted, none of us so far are humans and the Elda is a human looking non-human.

Then again, Morgana and Teddie were personas given form so unless Heimsay is secretly an archetype in mortal form, then there's one Atlus trend not followed.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Silentedge89 Since: Apr, 2012
#304: Oct 28th 2024 at 2:59:55 AM

Yeah but surely Atlus wouldn't repeat that gimmick three times in a row right?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#305: Oct 28th 2024 at 3:39:30 AM

Hmmmmm I feel like your egging me on to think more about this. [lol]

Regardless, I don't have any evidence so far that any of the party members are personas. But that may change.

Heimsay def can't be because he had a kid, Strohl and Hulkenberg are ruled out because they have backstories involving a childhood, and we see the traveling boy as a kid with the prince in flashbacks, so he can't be an archetype.

But still too early, and I think you know something I don't.

Hmmmmmmmm....I do see someone's backstory having certain holes under scrutiny, though.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 28th 2024 at 6:39:54 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#306: Oct 28th 2024 at 4:05:10 AM

Oh guys, before I forget, are there any royal virtue requirements needed for leveling up Berserker?

I need to spill blood for the blood God.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#307: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:11:50 AM

There’s an unused Summoner skull in the game that summons Mara. Has a model and everything.

Thankfully his absence means it’s not rated M for Mara.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#308: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:12:55 AM

I haven't really looked too closely at the game's rating, but I'm both surprised and not surprised that Mara isn't in this game.

Surprised because Mara is one of the most popular demons in the Megami Tensei franchise.

Not surprised because Mara is, well, Mara.

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#309: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:15:19 AM

[up][up] This isn't exactly the same world as a typical SMT/Persona game so I can see why Mara and other traditional demons aren't showing up.

More unique monsters.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 28th 2024 at 11:15:34 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#310: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:22:30 AM

Just wait till you get the Summoner Archetype and the implications.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#311: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:27:53 AM

Oh? Okay, that sounds intriguing.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#312: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:29:58 AM

Given a certain reveal later in the game, I kind of wish that the elemental dragons of Etrian Odyssey were superbosses in this game. I suppose we did get a dragon superboss at least...

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#313: Oct 28th 2024 at 3:25:20 PM

Just wait till you get the Summoner Archetype and the implications.

Dancer before that is the first to obviously reference Persona/SMT.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#314: Oct 28th 2024 at 4:07:59 PM

A good number of High Tier Archetypes are references: Soul Hacker which is why you need it and Devil Summoner for Royal Summoner, Samurai, Trickster, Persona Master, and Saviour(Messiah in Japanese).

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#315: Oct 28th 2024 at 7:10:52 PM

A very accurate cartoon about the soundtrack for this game:

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#316: Oct 28th 2024 at 7:33:04 PM

Gotta admit I hate seeing the usual antiwoke grift going around Metaphor. First it started with the fake whining about translations and then acting like progressive views haven’t been in many JRPGS for years even when those games have their own problematic elements.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#317: Oct 28th 2024 at 7:35:10 PM

Ugh yeah it's annoying seeing the same grift go on with literally every big game release. I try to ignore them as best I can.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#318: Oct 28th 2024 at 7:47:30 PM

[up][up]I know how you feel. I've mostly stopped reading people's reviews on games in general because I dislike running into those "antiwoke grifters," and I don't really see much value in reading people's reviews nowadays, especially since online commenters in general are shit at media literacy and giving constructive criticism, AND because I don't really find them all that helpful in giving me an idea on how much I'll like a game because we likely have different likes and dislikes.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Oct 28th 2024 at 8:07:00 AM

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#319: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:03:35 PM

People pretend that games like Final Fantasy X and Tales of Symphonia weren’t about racism

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#320: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:42:11 PM

Considering this game has a brown skinned protagonist AND talks about diversity, it’s no wonder outrage tourists are trying to get their takes in.

I feel like if FF X came out today, it would be subject to the same anti-woke grifters.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#321: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:47:28 PM

I saw the one chud take about this game so mind-boggling that one can only pray it's satire: the protagonist of this JRPG isn't muscly and masculine because of modern Western devs tainting Japanese aesthetics. Please let that sink it. (I think it also had something to do with Hulkenberg being taller than him, but that point stood out for obvious reasons.)

Does anyone actually read these?
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#322: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:53:41 PM

There’s a lot of dumbasses out there who think Japan is like this fascist paradise that keeps out foreigners, teaches women their place, men reign supreme, and shows the superiority of conservative values.

So this is why you see takes like that. Fascist weebs can’t have anything that challenges that image they are trying to sell.

I know this one certain dumbass in You Tube who proclaimed that Japanese cinema is doing better than “woke Hollywood” because they aren’t poisoned by politics, then failed to name a single modern Japanese movie he actually liked.

It’s called outrage tourism for a reason.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#323: Oct 28th 2024 at 8:56:39 PM

Shoutout to Kotaro Uchikoshi, who made a habit to roleplay as a 15-year-old girl from California on Twitter after grifters said that's the only type of person who'd put a nonbinary character in their game after he clarified a minor NPC as they/them.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#324: Oct 28th 2024 at 9:04:00 PM

On a positive note, I was pleasantly surprised the game did have the guts to make a game about fantasy racism and discrimination, and have a brown-skinned protagonist be the lead. It makes the scenes where he's discriminated for being an Elda actively have some more bite than it would have.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#325: Oct 28th 2024 at 11:35:05 PM

The morgana/teddy of the game is Gallica I'd say. I feel like she's the mascot of the party.


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