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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1726: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:34:17 AM

A live-action version of the female-centered comic “Lumberjanes,” from animator Noelle Stevenson, has also been canceled.

...curse you with the fury of a thousand suns.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 13th 2019 at 10:35:15 AM

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#1727: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:47:09 AM

So do you think Disney is still going to try to use Fox as an outlet for its more adult offerings? Or is Fox going to be "Disneyfied"?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1728: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:59:48 AM

[up][up] Quell your fury, we're still getting Nimona by Noelle Stevenson as a Blue Sky movie. I'd like to think that if Nimona turns out well, they might revisit the notion of Lumberjanes but as a cartoon.

Besides, live-action adaptations from Fox have a tendency to underwhelm anyway.

So do you think Disney is still going to try to use Fox as an outlet for its more adult offerings? Or is Fox going to be "Disneyfied"?

[up] Using Fox as a label for mature movies was always the game plan. I'm thinking this canning of movies in development is more to have a clean slate.


Speaking of underwhelming live-action adaptations...

In related news, that article also had a curious side of news: Disney is not very impressed with The New Mutants.

The bleh performance of Dark Phoenix was a pretty huge indication that audiences don't care about Marvel movies from Fox now that the deal means mutants are coming to the MCU, so Disney might cut off their losses and have New Mutants be on Hulu or something.

I get people were looking forward to New Mutants, but between Dark Phoenix's underperformance and the fact that Disney is on a financial roll (for better or worse), dropping New Mutants on Hulu might be the best course of action.

I just hope the NM actors get compensated somehow. (Anya Taylor-Joy as MCU!Magick? She really does look the part.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 13th 2019 at 3:00:57 PM

OldLadyNightMan Since: May, 2018 Relationship Status: Hiding
#1729: Aug 13th 2019 at 12:18:15 PM

Not really related, but Viacom is finally merging back with CBS. I know it was discussed for some time, but I knew it would finally happen in order to complete with Disney/Fox.

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#1730: Aug 13th 2019 at 12:24:28 PM

[up]I already did that.

But hey, don't overhaul it. I want to say something about this.

I'd rather want CBS and Viacom together rather than separated.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Aug 13th 2019 at 10:27:47 PM

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Ramen Fairy from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#1731: Aug 13th 2019 at 1:28:25 PM

I get people were looking forward to New Mutants

Really?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#1732: Aug 13th 2019 at 1:59:39 PM

Yeah, New Mutants was getting really good preview screenings, as opposed to Dark Phoenix.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1733: Aug 13th 2019 at 2:52:00 PM

New Mutants was getting really good preview screenings

[up] Was that before or after the "alleged reshoots to make it more horror because IT happened" business?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#1734: Aug 13th 2019 at 2:55:33 PM

Was that before or after the "alleged reshoots to make it more horror because IT happened" business?
There haven't been any reshoots. Fox scheduled them, but then came the merger and the reshoots were put on hold indefinitely.

Also, it was always supposed to be horror, but Fox initially wanted it more teenager oriented, but when they cut the first trailer like a horror film, Fox changed their minds.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 13th 2019 at 2:56:13 AM

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#1735: Aug 13th 2019 at 3:07:59 PM

[up]Are you sure it's just the merger? Maybe you should all read here (at the Troubled Production part).

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Aug 13th 2019 at 1:09:13 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#1736: Aug 13th 2019 at 3:12:03 PM

Yes, I read that part and am reasonably sure the reshoots haven't happened yet because Disney is wondering if there is a need for them/if they have to expend any more money on the film.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#1737: Aug 13th 2019 at 5:36:45 PM

Understandable given the Dark Phoenix fiasco.

Just Makima.
DevilMayhem666 Since: Aug, 2011
#1738: Aug 13th 2019 at 5:53:06 PM

[up] Apparently, Disney didn’t put much effort marketing the movie.

https://uproxx.com/hitfix/disney-fired-dark-phoenix-marketing-team/

Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Aug 13th 2019 at 8:56:53 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1739: Aug 13th 2019 at 6:03:27 PM

[up]On the one hand, this sounds shady...

On the other hand, we've all kind of moved on from Fox!Mutants by now, right?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1740: Aug 13th 2019 at 6:08:44 PM

It's not about the loss to Fox Mutants. It's about the loss to every single other film Fox had planned following it.

Disney got a known disaster, cut its marketing budget even further, then made dozens of other unrelated movies all pay the penalty for a problem contained to Dark Phoenix itself.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 13th 2019 at 6:10:56 AM

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#1741: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:25:13 PM

This is unrelated, but apparently Family Guy, American Dad, and Bob's Burgers are NOT going to be among the Fox properties that Disney owns outright.

In the case of Family Guy and American Dad, they are not produced in-house by Fox itself, nor do they currently air on the Fox network. They are produced by Seth Macfarlane's Fuzzy Door Productions and currently air on TBS. This means that they are effectively outside of Disney's control. As for Bob's Burgers, its production company, Bento Box Entertainment, is currently owned by Rupert Murdoch's Fox Corporation, which controls all the Fox assets that Disney did not purchase. That means it, too, is not officially owned by Disney.

However, Disney will still be distributing the Bob's Burgers movie. Makes me wonder what sort of deal they must have brokered with Fox behind the scenes. . .

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 13th 2019 at 1:28:16 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1742: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:04:18 AM

[up] Family Guy, American Dad, and Bob's Burgers are Fox properties and this is a thread about Fox properties in general, so those three shows are fair game and ergo, very related.

But where'd you hear that? Because it sounds VERY false.

In the case of Family Guy and American Dad, they are not produced in-house by Fox itself, nor do they currently air on the Fox network. They are produced by Seth Macfarlane's Fuzzy Door Productions and currently air on TBS. This means that they are effectively outside of Disney's control.

Granted, AD does air on TBS, but FG still airs on Fox. They're also co-produced by 20th Century Fox Television, which IS owned by Disney.

FG reruns air on Freeform, which is ALSO owned by Disney. Bloomberg also explicitly says Disney owns FG. Even Geek.com says FG and AD are now with Disney.

As for Bob's Burgers, its production company, Bento Box Entertainment, is currently owned by Rupert Murdoch's Fox Corporation, which controls all the Fox assets that Disney did not purchase. That means it, too, is not officially owned by Disney.

Okay, Bento Box is owned by New Fox, but it's still being allowed to operate as an independent production house. But Bob's Burgers is still with Disney now.

Just saying, while it's fine for someone to post how they heard this and that, it really helps if there's a source on tall claims like [up]. Because that way, someone else can see and verify that source and say "yeah, it's real. Let's discuss it." or "no, it's bogus. Let's dissect why it's fake."

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 14th 2019 at 4:38:30 AM

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#1743: Aug 14th 2019 at 12:02:32 PM

Speaking of Family Guy, remember what I asked about The Simpsons and its potshots at Disney? I have the same question here.

For example, in "The Road To The Multiverse", Brian and Stewie find themselves in an alternate universe modeled after a stereotypical Disney movie, where they witness their Jewish neighbor Mort Goldman being graphically beaten up—a reference to Walt Disney's antisemitism. And in "Stewie B. Goode", we see him awaken from his cryogenic sleep, only to request being re-frozen when he finds out there are still Jews. Now, Disney is very protective of their image, some would say unreasonably so (they have an "approved narrative" for official company histories, for example).

Will Family Guy still be allowed to do these things with Disney breathing down their necks?

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Aug 14th 2019 at 3:04:06 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#1744: Aug 14th 2019 at 12:43:25 PM

I don't have an answer for you except: probably yes. Disney are protective of their image, but not so much that they don't allow satire. Once again, look at The Simpsons lampooning of their new corporate overlords.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1745: Aug 14th 2019 at 1:42:28 PM

[up][up] For the record, it needs to be stressed that those "Walt Disney was antisemitic" claims Family Guy lampooned are 100% FALSE.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#1746: Aug 14th 2019 at 7:10:25 PM

It's not quite as open-and-shut as that. Disney was clearly not a rabid antisemite, but he was certainly a staunch conservative with a dislike of liberalism and everything it entailed, and in the early 20th century such beliefs often went hand-in-hand with some degree of antisemitism. While there is probably nothing to the rumors that Disney was, for instance, a Nazi sympathizer, he was definitely, at the very least, politically on the very far right.

Many of the movies Disney personally oversaw betray some politically far-right sentiments, none more so than The Jungle Book. Released at the height of the Civil Rights movement, the characters in the movie represent groups of people whose social gains were a cause of concern for hardcore conservatives like Disney: "hippies" (Baloo), gays (Shere Khan and Kaa), and blacks (the monkeys). Mowgli represents America, which (in the eyes of conservatives) must avoid the corrupting influences of the Left to reassert its greatness.

His original plan for EPCOT—a self-contained city with no democracy, no private land ownership, no labor unions—speaks volumes regarding this. And yet Disney, the company, refuses to acknowledge these unsavory facts regarding Disney, the man.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1747: Aug 14th 2019 at 7:18:17 PM

[up] Ok, but then again, the Sherman Brothers (writers for a lot of Disney songs, look them up) were Jewish and one of his lawyers strongly encouraged Walt to fire them because of their being Jewish.

So what happened? Walt fired the lawyer. (I think.)

Really though, while I'll admit Walt the person probably wasn't 110% squeaky clean, the gags on Family Guy take it too far to be considered funny so let's just agree to that, ok?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 14th 2019 at 10:20:12 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#1748: Aug 19th 2019 at 10:02:15 AM

Bump.

Corporate synergy at its best? You decide!

Context: Disney's Twitter initiated a Disney+ related conversation with the Twitters of Pixar, National Geographic, Marvel Entertainment, The Avengers, Star Wars, and Guardians of the Galaxy!

And also...

Spinosegnosaurus77 Ramen Fairy from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#1750: Aug 25th 2019 at 4:37:27 AM

[up][up][up] That's a story straight from the Shermans themselves.

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 25th 2019 at 9:28:53 AM


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