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Doesn’t the entire Horde work for Horde Prime? I know the others are essentially field commanders but I’m gonna guess Prime is the Greater-Scope Villain.
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would be funny if Prince Adam kept showing up but no He man
New theme music also a box
Well I couldn't find a She-Ra comic book solo series, but quite a few mock-up covers
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I'll have to throw the animated series to my growing list of cartoons to watch by 2025. Or just watch the inevitable "Think You Know She-Ra?" videos that will crop up on Youtube once this show's release date draws closer.
That's about what I expect. I don't know what, or which interview implied that he was Ret-Gone.
Well this
◊ does, and this
◊ kind of doesn't. I only had to Google search Lumberjanes to get a better feel this art style was going for. Check it
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Visually it reminds me of DC Superhero Girls and Star vs The Forces of Evil. It's a sharp change from the more svelte-looking She-Ra
◊ most probably remember, so I'm assuming that's the "betrayal" people are talking about.
If the art style is an indication of anything, I'd hope this show is closer to Star VS Evil than DC Superhero Girls. We've gotten plot info, but no telling what the tone of this show will be like.
Edited by Soble on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:23:59 AM
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First: I think Soble mostly got the feeling of the whole stuff. Some of the preview images indeed give a feminine look at Adora, but the main one... Yeah, she still looks like a crossdressed Ben Tennyson there. There's no problem with the art, just with how Adora/She-Ra is drawn. Giving her a more "rounded" face would help, for example.
Second: How people are detracting the complainers for perverts who are there for the Fanservice: This is ridiculous on so many levels. I don't recall any person I know watching She-Ra for this note . Also, do not put me in the same boat as those stupid idiots who are threatening the guys/girls responsible for the animation over this. I may not have liked the design, but this is not something I'd wage a war over.
Most of us saw She-Ra as a woman not only a role-model for the gender, but also one on equals with He-Man, but instead of just brute-forcing shit around, she found pacific means to end a conflict most of the time. She felt empathy for her enemies. You didn't usually see stuff like that on animation in The '80s, and that, not her goddamn body, was what made She-Ra magic for people like me.
Third: How people say She-Ra's not supposed to aim at old viewers: Another stupid statement in a world where My Little Pony exists, with a huge chunk of that fanbase being the same age or even older than me. It's incredibly hypocritical to say a Periphery Demographic has no right to exist.
Quick note: I hate Bronies. But I won't stop them from loving the animation and gushing about it. It's their right to their opinion after all. God, I can't believe we came to a point where I am defending My Little Pony's fanbase.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 17th 2018 at 3:15:57 PM
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The older fanbase for MLP was a fluke in the 1st season, and most of them were new viewers to the series despite being 18-30. It wasn't something the writers intentionally aimed for. This She-Ra show is even earlier in its lifecycle than that.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 17th 2018 at 10:54:18 AM
Ok this boob thing has GOT TO STOP. Its going to get out of control. I come from a site where some guy made a humongous wall of text whining about boobs. BOOBS! Are people for real with this?
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But the name it has to it is attracting viewers of the old animation. Periphery Demographic is completely inevitable.
Please tell me your're not talking about this very thread when you refer to the wall of text.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 17th 2018 at 3:10:30 PM
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I really don't think that image of She-Ra in battle gear makes her look like a "crossdresser" at all. I personally like the look a lot.
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Jul 17th 2018 at 11:08:25 AM
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For what I've seen, that battle gear is actually made of cloth, special or not.
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No, Zero Dozer. Luckily its not this thread. I didnt want to specify because that could count as drama importation.
I will show you guys the rant here though.
Now I will assume that most of us here are adults. And we as adults know that women have breasts, wide hips and a certain degree of curves while man are more muscular, wider and usually bigger than women. Now the way I see it at some point people became ashamed of seeing characters made in this fashion and decided instead to basically hide their gender in many ways to the point that they take them away completely e.g. the new Cheetara in Thundercats and Ms. Keane in PPG. This is becoming more and more common as if portraying them in the way an adult or teenage male or female is going to cause some sort of controversy. Now I understand that doing this could easily go too far and the characters can become over sexaulized but this is not the way to go at all. I really don't get what is happening here. What is this sudden eagerness to blur the lines between the obvious differences in our genders? What is with the reluctance to let boys be boys and girls be girls and embrace and understand the differences instead try to make everyone seem like something in between or not at all? I saw pictures of Glimmer and Bow and they look the same kind of androgynous way Adora looks. Why can't She-ra be beautiful and strong and obviously a woman? I don't expect Bow to be walking around showing off his abs constantly as if he forgot what shirts are but come on. He can't look like a man and be deeper than that?
Also someone pointed out that so far He-man seems not to be in the remake. Now all those who remember it was because of her brother Adam that she found out who she was and helped he become She-ra. Now if we are going down this path I have a feeling that they are going down the 'I am a strong woman and don't need a man' path and leaving out Adam completely or even worse try to show She-ra showing up He-man constantly in another irritating attempt to empower and encourage girls by showing them mocking or beating up men. Maybe I am wrong but it is sure looking that way. Now I am no fan of the original She-ra and realize it wasn't the best show in the world being basically a female spin off of He-man but from what i have seen so far there are already ton of red flags that do not bode well for this show. If any of the things I mentioned plus the other red flags I have already seen pop up from what i have seen about this show it doesn't look like it is going down a good path.
But this is more about the growing trend that is happening that people seems to be more and more eager to hide, lessen or cover up these character's physical gender as if children or anyone else don't know what men or women look like. Many shows, even the ones in the oldest days of cartoons, had no problem making it so you can distinguish between the males and females even if it was more subtle in certain cases and had no problem drawing muscles,curves, breasts, hips or anything else physical show the genders of their characters. But more and more people seem to be trying their best to hide it even to ridiculous levels like the aforementioned Ms Keane. At what point in all the so called openness people claim modern shows have did creators become ashamed of putting the genders of their characters on display. If not for her name being She-ra or Adora or people saying she is a girl I would probably still be guessing what gender she was. Even in stuff like the new Ducktales the females are nothing even close to what the originals were.It's not as bad as some other things but you could easily see the attempt to hide the the female form to the point that you still have to look a couple of times to make sure which is which. I mean I don't mind Ms Beakly being put as a stronger woman and all but did they really have to turn her into basically a giant square of a person? I mean maybe it isn't as rampant as I think it is but I am seeing it more and more and compared to older cartoons like PPG and Dexter which had no problem putting the a man or woman's physical differences on display I find that modern cartoons are leaning more and more to hide or even reducing the physical traits that make them the gender that they are in an attempt to push back against so called toxic masculinity or oversexualization and once again I think that is too far on one end of the spectrum.
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I can't give a concrete opinion of this without starting a war, to be honest. But I also feel that nowadays everything we knew and/or loved is now being dragged into the culture wars of The New '10s. Though I don't make such a big case out of it like he did in this Wall of Text.
He does have a point, though. Being a kids' show is not an excuse to lessen/take away gender features. Whether this is done in lieu of some "equalist" cause that may be actually giving the wrong message to a whole new generation while advancing moralist agendas... I don't feel like this is the right place to discuss such a political topic.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:04:20 PM
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There are girls and women without humongous boobs. Why is this such a hard thing to fathom? If anything these are the LEAST Tumblr ish designs I've ever seen.
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To me, it's not about having humongous melons. I don't even want her to have big breasts.
To me, it's about a girl looking like a girl instead of some generic body template. I don't understand how people can think it's all about Fanservice, even more those who are defending her visuals.
Fanservice didn't even cross my damn mind when I came to talk about the issue (and it still doesn't cross my mind), yet Cortez note and others came pointing fingers at me as if I was some pervert. Now how can anyone say this is not bringing the culture wars into the thread?
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:23:44 PM
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I think She-Ra looks plenty like a girl in every screenshot I've seen of her. I'm not sure what "gender features" are being taken away from her.
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Jul 17th 2018 at 11:47:15 AM
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Like, women having breasts (size does not matter) and more delicate faces and curves, or men having bulkier bodies... Not hard to get the picture.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 17th 2018 at 3:49:05 PM
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...And those have been taken away from the character somehow? Because I'm honestly not seeing it at all. She looks fine just the way she is, and I can still tell she's supposed to be a girl.
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To me, I just knew she was supposed to be a girl because of her clothes, and because it was said she was She-Ra. I'm being literal here; if it weren't for the skirt, tiara and stuff, I would have mistaken her for a boy in that shot.
Admittedly, I took that way better than Thundercats Roar and some other stuff. I mean, I didn't come with heavy cursing directed at anything at the thread, or using improper words. There's my discontent, but opinions are opinions, and given the girl in charge actually respects the source material note , I hold nothing personal against the makers of the new show.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:14:14 PM
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No, she really doesn't. Not there and not in This one.
Women have different body types, nothing wrong with the show having diverse body types.
Women don't have some uniform look and indeed there are girls that look like Adora does in these screenshots.
And the only complainers that are called perverts are the ones obsessing about her chest. It is more than a little weird.
Edited by Cortez on Jul 18th 2018 at 3:32:15 PM
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You don't need to tell me about body types, I had to learn this to start to learn to draw people. But as I said above, the only hint I got on that first image that Adora was Adora, was her clothes.
Also, girls with faces as sharp as a boy's in the real world? Not saying it's impossible, but it's a rare sight.
And as I said in a previous wall of text: there's more to it than her chest. I'm actually in doubt if the detractors are the ones obsessing about her chest size, when the defenders also keep bringing the issue.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:38:14 PM
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You say that, yet you insist that the She-Ra redesign looks like a boy and she really doesn't.
They were the first to bring it up though.
Edited by Cortez on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:20:58 AM
Men complaining that a show runner is “defeminizing” a character when her most famous work is entirely about a camp of all girls. Of many different body types.
Women: “This She-Ra design is my power fantasy.”
Men: “But it doesn’t look like my idea of what your power fantasy looks like!”
Women: “How is that relevant?”
Letting women have agency involves letting them decide how they want their character to look. It doesn’t matter if it looks “boyish” or whatever if it’s what the target audience of girls wants.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 18th 2018 at 12:39:24 PM
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I saw some women complaining as well. Not in English, though.
As a second, where was it mentioned the girl said that design is "her power fantasy"? And who draws the line saying She-Ra has or not to be anyone's fetish fuel (Which I honestly find ridiculous)? Also, who is anyone to say what is or isn't the target audience in an age where Periphery Demographic is so unavoidable, and no one who's gonna watch it will care about whether he or she is part of the target audience?
As the third, if you see the wall of text from that other place shown above, the complaint we've been seeing on "defeminizing" and "emasculating" is not limited to She-Ra; Thundercats Roar's Cheetara and the new Powerpuff Girls version of Ms. Keane were mentioned.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:51:22 PM
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The people making it, obviously.
And you keep throwing Periphery Demographic as some kind of defense, when it isn't.
In fact, a Periphery Demographic usually understands that they aren't the target and are ok with that.
Edited by Cortez on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:05:30 AM
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Keep dreaming that in a world where there are more adults that like My Little Pony than the children the cartoon was intended for, or 12YO kids that send SWAT teams on other players over Call of Duty matches.
Fucking hell, we live in a world where children listen to trap music and funk carioca. In a sense, the way people absorb culture nowadays has become somewhat warped.
Not to mention that children didn't care for a woman's physique back then, and I seriously doubt children the same age will care for it right now.
Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 5:04:18 AM
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It really seems like you're misunderstanding what Periphery Demographic is.
If you honestly think that, then why are you complaining about it?
Edited by Cortez on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:02:20 AM
