Destroyer of Worlds
Are things going to be spoilered still even in this thread or will it be open spoilers?
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Not really a lord of anything
No point in having a spoiler thread if they're all just going to be in spoiler tags anyway.
This song needs more love.
This is the main source of spoilers so far. https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2017/12/07/the-last-jedi-visual-guide-leaked/
Here's some spoiler-free reviews from Twitter. Overall consenus is it's the best one ever. https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-last-jedi-critics-reviews/
edited 10th Dec '17 7:16:00 PM by lalalei2001
The Protomen enhanced my life.
Not really a lord of anything
I found some spoilers but the fact they're all the same information repeated over and over with nothing new added leads me to believe it's from one possibly fake source and regurgitated as fact. This is the worst time to be a spoiler-hound.
edited 10th Dec '17 7:44:56 PM by LordVatek
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She/her
Agreed. All I can find is rumors of Luke seeing the hologram of young Leia. Ugh. I also want spoilers, because I’m not feeling trusting of Rian Johnson. Especially the sidelining of Finn so far in the trailers and interviews.
Not really a lord of anything
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That one's real, actually. It's from a children's book, here.
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The ugh is my general frustration at lack of spoilers; I figured that one was real. But thanks for the confirmation.
coolest_guy
The best Star Wars film ever?
Jesus Christ. That's some pretty lofty praise.....
Would that it were so simple.
They were throwing that kind of effusive praise at TFA. Give it two months after opening night.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
They were saying that for Episode 1 before it was released, Hype and advertising trains are real.
Would that it were so simple.
Star Wars movies tend to be movies you love the first two months after seeing it for the first time. The mark of an episode's quality lies in how long it takes before you start finding enough Fridge Logic in it to start disliking it.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
I wouldn’t quite say that. If that were the case then VII would be worse than Episode I.
How long did it take for people to dislike Episodes I and ii?
The Protomen enhanced my life.
I'm only here for the space wizards.
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Would that it were so simple.
Episode II much shorter, like before the year was out. 2002 was a crowded blockbuster year, AOTC had many of TPM's issues, but without any of that hype. There are still pockets of fans who love TPM in a way they don't love AOTC — I mean, even I like parts of TPM looking back, and that immediatepre- and post-TPM marketing push was one of my favorite parts of the old EU.
edited 11th Dec '17 3:22:20 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
coolest_guy
I'll always consider TPM better than AOTC....not that that's saying much, since AOTC is f*cking terrible.
Yeah I found AOTC to be worse than TPM from the beginning, and that's never changed. AOTC had all of TPM's problems (and some new ones of it's own), but very few of the former's good/interesting elements.
That does seem to be the consensus: neither of them are good films, but AOTC is definitely worse.
The call of the Spoiler Side unfortunately became too much to endure so I ended up reading them...And ooooooh boy, this film is going to break the base something fierce, and given the SW fandom, that should scare you.
I realize this thread is fine on no spoiler tags, but I figure this might be needed if you only came for minor spoilers.
To summarize:
- Rey is not a Skywalker or Kenobi and was the daughter of some junkers on Jakku who sold her so they could get a ship off-world. Given how much her origins were teased in TFA and people willing to give her the benefit of the doubt should she turn out to be have actual Jedi lineage, the Mary Sue labels are coming back tenfold
- Kylo kills Snoke midway through the film and takes leadership of the First Order. Fans hoping for more from Snoke like a backstory or for him to demonstrate more of his power are also pissed.
- Probably the biggest Base Breaker of them all: Luke apparently Force Projects himself to Crait and helps the Resistance fend off the First Order attacks and then has his physical body fade away or summat after a final confrontation with Kylo. Now, it's left ambiguous whether Luke actually dies or "ascended into the Force", but the fans interpretation is that Luke has died without ever seeing the Jedi Order fully restored or even a chance to reunite with Leia, rendering everything from the OT now completely pointless. And now the last remaining Skywalker given Leia won't show in Ep. IX is someone who at the end of the movie has fully fallen to the Dark Side and completely irredeemable at this point
To say the fans are white-hot livid right now would be an understatement. On the SW subreddits alone, you have people saying Rian Johnson just took a massive dump on the franchise for cheap shock value, that Lucas selling the franchise to Disney was a colossal mistake, and that the story implied from the spoilers alone has killed any enjoyment or investment in the franchise from now on.
edited 11th Dec '17 9:11:37 PM by KoBB
Not really a lord of anything
The person those spoilers come from is noted to be unreliable and in one instance got one part totally incorrect (they say that Yoda is the one who convinces Luke to train Rey but the book I linked earlier says that it was the Leia hologram). A few people have tried to corroborate them but without sufficient proof that they were there.
edited 11th Dec '17 9:12:51 PM by LordVatek
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Perhaps, but we've been getting confirmation elsewhere that what's been leaked is indeed true.
Not really a lord of anything
Would that it were so simple.
The problem is that the confirmation comes from suspect sources, as well. The original source, Pawn, was just some lawyer in a podunk Louisiana town who would never have gotten a ticket to the premiere. His supporter, Anon, showed a picture of a ticket for a premiere this coming Thursday and said he had already seen the film, but we can't confirm whether it's his ticket or just a ticket he pulled off a picture of from a twitter feed.
This entire debacle reminds me of this scene from Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
edited 11th Dec '17 9:16:31 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=36118927#post36118927
Hmm, I can understand if it's one person trying to troll the fans. But two and multiple people corroborating the spoilers lends some credibility.
edited 11th Dec '17 9:19:37 PM by KoBB
Spoilers are slowly but surely leaking out so here's where we can talk about them freely.
This song needs more love.