Marvel Rising

This was very charming.

Y’know what’s the real kicker here? The You Tube comments for said video posted here aren’t a cancerous cesspool as they usually are. They actually expressed praised to ths animation and plot they have just watched instead of bitched about it for extremely petty reasons.

That’s a real good sign that this show won’t suck.

If only Disney kept this consistency for their other Marvel shows.

Yeah, this series uses the designs and art style from Marvel's Spider-Man, except there's decent animation and actual shading. I'd love it if they pumped out more stuff like this.

Dove's Gwen here sounds a little different from when she voiced her in Ultimate Spider-Man. Different voice direction maybe?

I assumed this show will be placed in a different continuity/universe from Marvel’s Spider-Man (hence why Spider-Gwen in this show is a lot more faithful to her comic counterpart with her being in a band and is this universe’s Spider-Man), so of course different voice actors would be apparent. Kind of like with Batman voice actors in completely different shows that are being aired at the same time.

I was comparing how Dove voiced Gwen here to when Dove voiced Gwen in the Ultimate Spider-Man show.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 16th 2018 at 6:25:27 AM

this was surprisingly good, I loved the anime part too, considering how anime the show looks.

…Is there an official upload anywhere that isn't blocked outside the U.S.?

It's a Disney XD show, so you might check your local Disney video site. The shorts are on the US site. https://video.disney.com/watch/mission-ghost-hunter-57359ae6b40742387f9de447

Edited by alanh on Aug 21st 2018 at 6:55:56 AM

Oh, the one in that link works for me! Found the rest from there. Thanks!

I really loved Squirrel Girl and Miss Marvel, a lot more than "fists first, explain later" Clear My Name archetype Ghost Spider. They're fun, relateable and the story delivers the silliness without making going full ridiculous about it like Ultimate Spider-Man and such.

I hope they get a nice, huge chunk of the movie to themselves. Daisy I'm ambivalent about, mostly because that preview didn't show us a whole lot of her.

Kind of a shame Patriot's film debut is as the archetypical oblivious cop antagonist.

Except Ghost-Spider isn't fist first, explain later, that's the people hunting her down.

All she does is defend herself and even then she clearly prefers to retreat than fight people she knows aren't bad guys.

Also, the Patriot on the show is Rayshaun, not Eli.

She absolutely is. She only ever starts to explain her situation after she cannot run away any more, which she only does when she cannot fight any more.

This is especially true against Patriot, where - while he never outright asks for her side of the story - there's a part at the beginning of the fight where she could challenge his accusations, but instead she chooses to mock the NYPD for failing to stop her (which is a very supervillain thing to do, really).

The actual story only ever comes out much, much later, when it turns out she can't fight defeat Squirrel Girl or Miss Marvel. The first time Quake and Patriot even hear her say she's innocent is after they've already arrested her.

She also averts the typical superhero Clear My Name habits by being very thorough in beating up the people who are trying to arrest her, even if they're everyday muggles. So far, the story is making it pretty clear she needs friends badly, especially a Friend on the Force. She's not doing a particularly good job of acquitting herself otherwise.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 24th 2018 at 10:18:22 AM

God, this show looks so much better than Marvel's Spiderman, which I really don't like the look of. There's no real shadows or shading, so everything just looks flat and lifeless, even when it's not supposed too, and the animation feels stiff, limited, and expressionless.

While the style here is similar, it feels less cheap, I guess? There's actual shading and depth in the backgrounds, and the animation feels fuller and more expressive, with more dynamic framing and action sequences. It’s still not nearly at the level of some of some of the other animated shows, but you can definately see the increased production value.

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 24th 2018 at 2:10:44 PM

But you just disprove the notion that she's "fist first" by acknowledging that she first tries to run away and avoid fighting and that it's not her first choice.

She only fights to defend herself and fighting isn't her first option.

And Patriot was not giving her an opportunity to talk, nor was he willin to listen. Only Quake, Kamala and Squirrel Girl were willing to listen and Believe Gwen.

Anyway, the movie will debut September 30.

I was a bit confused by Daisy at the end there.

I thought she was here as a S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent. Does she not have the authority to be like, "I have reason to believe the suspect's innocent and want to investigate this further"? It seemed a bit awkward for her to sneak behind Captain Stacy and Patriot's backs like that.

Apart from that, I thought it was pretty neat. Not one of the highest-quality kids' shows I've seen, but reasonably decent. And it's a reasonably decent kids' show with a great selection from Marvel's recent push to increase visibility in female and minority characters, so that's awesome. Even if it never achieves greatness, the very act of being okay with an interesting and diverse cast would still be great in its own right.

And nothing precludes it from achieving greatness anyway. This was just a teaser, after all. So, like, it's not exactly Gravity Falls, Clone Wars, or Avatar just yet, but I'll definitely keep watching for Kamala, Doreen, and Gwen.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 24th 2018 at 5:12:13 AM

If you’re going to quote me, at least read everything you’re quoting.

As for Patriot, if she has the chance to go on a spiel about how the NYPD are losers for being unable to catch her and how he’s a loser for trying, she has a chance to go “you’re making a mistake, I’m innocent, it was the one armed man.” As evidenced by the fact that she does try to do that, after both fighting and running away has been exhausted.

To note, they appear to be doing a thing with Gwen where she acts like she can’t have friends, and only reaches out when she has no further options, or when other people refuse to let her face things alone. It would gel with her personality as we’ve seen thus far, so I’m guessing that’s going to be her primary personal arc.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 24th 2018 at 6:08:39 AM

It's worth noting that in the comics she acts less openly antagonistic towards the cops but it's bolstered by there being greater appearance that she murdered someone. That is, she was seen with the body of Peter Parker, and has no way of proving he was in Lizard form at the time that she accidentally dealt him a fatal blow.

For that matter, it was ambiguous if there was a killing blow or if it was the Lizard formula that did him in.

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But unlike the others, Patriot was not willing to listen to her side or even give her the benefit of the doubt.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 24th 2018 at 2:09:14 PM

None of them were willing to listen until she made an earnest effort to explain herself - both Squirrel Girl and Miss Marvel were even more in full "let's fight the supervillain" mode than Patriot was.

She didn't really try to say anything until well into the second half of the story. By the time she did in his presence (at the very end of the story) Patriot was already convinced that she was just as much villain as she appeared (one of the first things he expresses when they first meet, in contrast, is a willingness to listen if and only if she allows herself to be brought in).

To note, the only reason Quake believes her is because she deduces her secret identity, and because she knows the person she's accusing of actually doing the deed. Though it's not really clear why she doesn't at least share the latter with Patriot, beyond the story needing an Inspector Javert character.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 25th 2018 at 10:03:16 AM

But Squirrel Girl and Ms.Marvel were willing to listen and gave her the chance to, Patriot didn't.

And Gwen wanted to avoid confrontation. Saying otherwise is just not true.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 26th 2018 at 4:40:14 AM

Gwen didn't seek confrontation but she didn't do a lot to defuse it either. Her approach to Kamala and Doreen's pursuit was to just fight her way out like she did with Patriot. It's only when cornered and lacking any other way out that Gwen starts explaining herself.

She is, in general, very flippant about her pursuers. It captures the Spider-Man wisecracking style, but also makes her come across as self-involved when she treats being the prime suspect of a murder case as "Meh, f*ck your face! I don't have time for silly nonsense like cops."

She seems neither outraged nor horrified to be wanted for the murder of her best friend. Rather, her reaction lands 100% on "sarcastically inconvenienced", which can cause her to rub viewers the wrong way. It's a product of leaning too heavily on trying to introduce her as the witty Spider-Man archetype in the middle of a narrative that should, by all rights, have some actual emotional weight to it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 26th 2018 at 7:17:18 AM

Except that's not true at all, did we watch different shorts? She's focused on finding Kevin's killer and Patriot and the others are getting in the way of her doing that. It's not that hard to understand.

Like you're ignoring that Patriot clearly made up his mind and nothing Gwen said would convince him otherwise. Cops too for that matter.

It's not like the the cops would listen to Peter's side of things whenever they think he's a bad guy, why the in the hell do you think it would work here?

You're mistaken. Her approach was to leave and avoid fighting them.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 26th 2018 at 2:34:25 PM

You miss the point. The issue with Gwen's character has nothing to do with whether or not other people would listen to her and everything to do with the fact that actually talking things out is her last resort. Her first resort when confronted is to rudely dismiss whoever's confronting her and fight her way out.

Poor Communication Kills is literally the entire reason for the prolonged fight with Ms. Marvel and Squirrel Girl. Once she explains herself, they're easily enough convinced to join up with her. But she forces them to defeat and capture her first, because she can't be arsed to even try to explain herself.

That she wastes opportunities to explain herself on sarcastic barbs and even bragging about her criminal record makes her look like an asshole who's more concerned with egotistically lording her superiority over others than actually finding Kevin's killer. It's not a good look for Gwen's introduction.

Attempting to appeal to reason and failing is a more heroic look than never attempting in the first place.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 26th 2018 at 12:22:57 PM