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#651: Jan 24th 2024 at 12:26:40 PM

[up][up]I thought word of God is that Zombozo has always been a zombie. I got the impression that with age and without child youth to sustain himself. He started breaking apart.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#652: Jan 25th 2024 at 9:36:00 AM

I get why it's disappointing we didn't get young Bloxx and young Ball Weevil, but in classic, all of Ben's aliens looked like adults. That's why we got that weird plot point where Ben was in a love triangle with the galactic enforcers.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#653: Jan 25th 2024 at 10:22:03 AM

Yeah, if Ben's aliens are supposed to be the same age as him or grown-ups is a big discussion.

I'm saying that they're adults unless humans are some of the only species to mature slowly and most species reach physical maturity by the time they're 10 (or their counterpart of being 10 since they have different lifespans).

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#654: Jan 25th 2024 at 12:06:08 PM

I think you could argue the whole "peak specimen of their race" thing could involve some early maturity perhaps? Some people do grow up real fast.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#655: Jan 25th 2024 at 1:01:15 PM

With how much this series is blatantly a Dial H for Hero send-up, I’d always taken for granted that Ben’s heroes were adults.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#656: Jan 25th 2024 at 5:20:56 PM

Granted at least some of them aren't fully developed till we need to retcon/update the design later. We see older Wildmutts in the original series iirc, they do look different. Fourarms grows facial hair. Swampfire gets a cape or something.

theCrimson64 Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#657: Jan 26th 2024 at 8:46:48 AM

The infamous episode where Ben and Julie permanently break up, yet Kuro feels that there's something more to this divisive episode.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#658: Jan 26th 2024 at 10:56:04 PM

It's funny that for the series' blatant purist approach to Ben's love life ("he has to marry that one girl he was set up with in the original series!!!") to the point of awkwardly booting Julie from the story, it actually ended up introducing other love interests for Ben who also ended up very popular. I vaguely remember Ester being very well liked.

They ended up having to introduce Spanner in the last season just to say "NO! STOP SHIPPING BEN WITH ANYONE WHO ISN'T KAI" almost directly to the audience. Plus wasn't there like an episode where they brought every single non-Kai love interest Ben's ever had into the show all at once to have them all explicitly state they weren't interested in him any more?

Omniverse was seriously rough sometimes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 26th 2024 at 10:57:55 AM

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#659: Jan 27th 2024 at 12:43:35 AM

It also didn't help Kai come off as a big Love Interest Sue who got seriously annoying Character Shilling from the plot despite being a grade-A jerk who was hardly likeable and didn't even seem too different from her child self

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#660: Jan 27th 2024 at 1:36:56 AM

Make an episode where 3 girls fight over a remote that turns Ben into a different alien to make 4th girl better in contrast. Then pair Ben with another girl who simps for Ben-Wolf. Go figure.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#661: Jan 27th 2024 at 9:04:19 AM

The funny part about the whole "Ben has to marry Kai just because the orignial series' future says so" reasoning is that even the original series' pop-up trivia mentions the future with cynical Ben 10000 was never intended to be his definitive future, with the logic being they were following Avengers Endgame logic for time travel where traveling to the past only created an alternate timeline, not changing the future.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/79c1c3b9_20fd_4861_a851_fc8cfda5818d.png

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#662: Jan 27th 2024 at 9:13:21 AM

Funny how low Kai is in the shipping popularity, honestly.

Wake me up at your own risk.
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#663: Jan 27th 2024 at 9:22:22 AM

I always loathed her. She wanted to take Ben AS A PET. A HUMAN BEING AS A PET. She's the absolute worst character in the franchise to me.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#664: Jan 27th 2024 at 9:38:47 AM

Going back to one of the more disliked love interests, one that was treated like an one off, particularly as the series advances is a choice, honestly. Particularly given how they made Ben look so bad at breaking up with his then current girlfriend.

Wake me up at your own risk.
theCrimson64 Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#665: Jan 27th 2024 at 9:46:17 AM

Kai may be bad but Spanner is worse. He's the one who's like "Ben and Kai are supposed to be together!!!!!!", after all.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#666: Jan 27th 2024 at 11:18:52 AM

Even if you were really attached to the Ken 10 future, Spanner would do nothing for you because he doesn't have his omnitrix and you spend most of his appearances thinking he's Jimmy Jones.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#667: Jan 27th 2024 at 2:40:03 PM

Way to make it obvious that the chosen pairing is either a corporate mandate and/or that the writers didn't want to put an effort in selling it.

Wake me up at your own risk.
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#668: Jan 27th 2024 at 2:46:10 PM

I feel like Derrick J. Wyatt or the writers were trying as hard as they could to adhere religiously to the OG Ben 10 lore and how things were back then or teased thus far

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theCrimson64 Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#669: Jan 28th 2024 at 10:13:35 AM

Kuro talks about the two parts of Showdown.

The first one finally explains why Feedback isn't seen in the present time and why Ben never mentions him. Kuro also wonders if Ben's addiction to Feedback is an intended drug allegory.

The second part features Malware's rampage on Galvan Prime until Ben regains Feedback, leading to their final battle. Kevin also adopts Khyber's blue dog.

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#670: Jan 29th 2024 at 9:17:32 AM

@Aegis P Kai was literally a 10 year old child when she said that, haven't we all said dumb, Insensitive shit when we were that age?

Also that seems to be the only reason people cite her the worst character. I Don't think she'd have that strong a reaction if she didn't say that.

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#671: Jan 29th 2024 at 9:21:28 AM

[up]She's still like that as a 16 year old too.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#672: Jan 29th 2024 at 9:24:52 AM

[up][up]I think it has way more to do with the time travel stuff saying they're destined to be together, which people don't like.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#673: Jan 29th 2024 at 9:25:57 AM

[up][up] Thank you for making me feel great for sticking to my guns. [up] Also, I am sorry but since I've never seen her actually get better, I wont be changing my mind anytime soon.

Edited by AegisP on Jan 29th 2024 at 10:00:27 AM

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#675: Jan 29th 2024 at 9:59:56 AM

Whoops mixed up the arrows. Thank you for telling me. I must have looked pretty dumb.

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