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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#276: Apr 15th 2022 at 12:14:56 PM

Opinions are always split. There are plenty of fans who have long moved on and claim that Classic is the only good Ben 10. But I guess it's better regarded now that every show after it was regarded as the worst Ben 10 show ever.

Not that there aren't people who love OV or Reboot better than UAF but I doubt they make a majority.

Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#277: Apr 15th 2022 at 10:40:27 PM

A lot of Season 1 and 2's praise comes down to being vindicated as early Alien Force wasn't muddled with executive meddling and OS pandering compared to AF S3 onwards.

Edit: And the fact that story driven cartoons were later viewed as "higher quality" compared to their episodic counterparts.

Edited by Afrovenator on Apr 15th 2022 at 1:41:41 PM

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#278: Apr 15th 2022 at 10:47:00 PM

The shows that happened after AF Season 1 and 2 fell victim to reactionary fixer uppers to address fandom complaints. And when you spend more time trying to fix "plot holes" then actually telling a story.

Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#279: Apr 16th 2022 at 1:25:30 PM

Doesn't help that they end up magnifying already existing problems.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#280: Apr 17th 2022 at 11:44:25 AM

The breakdown of "War of the Worlds, Part 2" is now live.

Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#281: Apr 17th 2022 at 12:45:50 PM

Kuro vehemently dislikes the third season of Alien Force. I can't wait.evil grin

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#282: Apr 17th 2022 at 2:34:05 PM

Surprised there was no comment about those new aliens Ben supposedly unlocked at the end.

Maybe he'll talk about in next video when commenting on fact that Cannonbolt and other two are still unlocked.

Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#283: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:16:50 PM

[up]It's pretty weird that the Network didn't do a "new playlist of aliens", especially when this was the point when Ben 10 started fully becoming the network's cash cow.

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#284: Apr 18th 2022 at 2:48:27 AM

I suspect sudden adding of third season forced to move quicker. Season 3 has this feeling of a filler so they couldn't come up with all 10 aliens.

TBH, they already struggled with making 10 new aliens with most of them being copies of the previous ones. I imagine it would be pretty hard to make 10 more. I do wonder if they had any planned out. Lodestar was one but was Rath, Water Hazard and others in it?

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#285: Apr 30th 2022 at 3:48:35 PM

Kuro finally starts Season Three of Alien Force, with both parts of "The Vengence of Vilgax" in one video. In his opening monologue, he reminds us of the season's perception of seeding some of the Flanderization / Franchise Original Sin elements of the franchise (Omnitrix Glitches, Ben's Composite Characterization, OG Callbacks, etc). In spite his past dislike of this season, he's using this opportunity to reevalute.


On the flipside, Sarcastic Chorus talks about the Ben x Julie relationship. Even though he never cared too much for it, he felt the series offered one of the most "infuriating" ship experiences thanks to executive meddling and good intentions.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Apr 30th 2022 at 6:54:37 AM

Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#286: Apr 30th 2022 at 9:13:03 PM

Honestly, I think giving Ben an alien girlfriend would've been a way better choice. It would've tied into the Omnitrix's purpose and the main plot of the Highbreed invasion. Julie was way too bland and attempts at giving her characterization kinda ruined her.

Highbreed: Mixed race couple? Cringe! *guitar solo*

Edited by Afrovenator on Apr 30th 2022 at 12:14:15 PM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#287: May 1st 2022 at 1:32:56 AM

Give him a Highbreed gf, who needs Green-Skinned Space Babe tongue

Edited by alekos23 on May 1st 2022 at 11:34:03 AM

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#288: May 1st 2022 at 2:22:47 AM

I mean I can see the Lois Lane logic than Ben is better with human girl to counter his "literally every alien" thing.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#289: May 2nd 2022 at 1:16:35 AM

On the other hand, Ben is not a tradicional superhero with a alter ego(and by some series, that stuff become a issue) so maybe that cant work?

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#290: May 2nd 2022 at 3:52:29 AM

The idea isn't "civilian with superhero" but "regular human being with entire galaxy in one person".

Kai is basically Lara Croft, she's not some average girl.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#291: May 7th 2022 at 7:45:18 AM

Speaking of Kai, here's Sarcastic Chorus's video on why the relationship with Ben fell flat.

He even makes the Lara Croft comparison.

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#292: May 7th 2022 at 5:40:54 PM

She was a horrible person who wanted to own a person as a PET. That's just vile.

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#293: May 8th 2022 at 7:15:28 AM

[up] Well, she was 10. She probably didn't whole get an implications.

All this talk makes me realize one thing: Cartoon Network is obsessed with capturing lightning in the bottle that was original Ben 10.

So while all those Batman cartoons, Scooby Doo shows and Transformers can just peacefully end and be replaced with whatever random idea sounds good for developers, the fate of next Ben 10 show depends on some executive producers who are breaking their heads trying to figure out how to make it just as successful as the first one.

Like, imagine if every single Batman cartoon was expected to recreate succes of TAS.

Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#294: Jun 26th 2022 at 2:59:47 PM

Kuro finished the Alien Force saga and will be moving on to Ultimate Alien.

[up] The franchise merely needs a revamp in its concept. It'll continue to be stagnant as long as they continue the OS pandering.

"You see, I had to trap Sonic in the hell dimension cause he disrespected gamers."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#295: Jul 2nd 2022 at 8:58:22 AM

Kuro's Ultimate Alien coverage begins today! He questions why, to his perspective, there seems to be a backlash to this iteration to modern audience. The irony stemming from the reaction back when Omniverse was premiering, and UA was put on a pedestal.


If you're impatient, there's a very recent full series review Ultimate Alien done by Billiam. It follows up on his own retrospective series of Ben 10 media.

Afrovenator Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
#296: Jul 4th 2022 at 8:33:52 PM

[up] There was some hatred for Ultimate Alien, it just got drowned out by the Omniverse and Reboot hatedom. The hatred for the Reboot and Omniverse has been exhausted and the fanbase wants fresher meat.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#297: Jul 7th 2022 at 11:26:02 AM

Ultimate Kevin was definitely hated back then, too, and people were less solid about Kevin being a good guy back then so it was more outrageous.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#298: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:48:17 AM

This week, Kuro talks about the episode "Duped", which happened to be the 100th episode of the UAF era.

Kuro seems less fond of the episode wasting its own premise, where Ben finds a generally neat loophole power, but decides it isn't worth the trouble investing into. To add insult, this celebratory episode indulges into Ben's worst traits, and ends with him being considered a jerk in-universe.


Amusingly, this episode has Ben freely available on YouTube via one of the international Cartoon Network channels.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 9th 2022 at 2:49:50 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#299: Jul 10th 2022 at 7:08:32 AM

It's a good thing this echo echo power never comes back. It would have been very broken, very easily.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#300: Jul 12th 2022 at 9:34:51 AM

Kuro does a mini review of "Hit Em Where They Live", which see Zombozo, Charmcaster, and Vulcanus kidnapping Ben's relatives. Kuro points out that while the premise of Ben's enemies knowing his family and attacking them sounds good on paper, a lot of them already knew and just didn't act until Ultimate Alien.


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