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AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#76: Feb 4th 2018 at 3:07:45 PM

[up] I'm too afraid to holler 73 to the mods because I fear I might get suspended due to the fact I did this too often.

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#77: Feb 4th 2018 at 3:45:29 PM

[up] OK. I hollered 71.

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#78: Feb 4th 2018 at 4:38:44 PM

Should be fine to do wick cleaning and description now, since crowner was called. Been away from this thread due to other matters onsite and off.

Do we have a description ready?

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#79: Feb 4th 2018 at 5:45:15 PM

Spanner here: This thread has declared Celebrity Paradox to "an actor is in Work X and Work Y, and the second work references the previous work". How does that interact with these tropes?

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#81: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:26:18 PM

It's not always an AA or CG, but it can be both. There is possibility for overlap. Technically, that was the original definition of Celebrity Paradox, but it had a lot of misuse. No spanner issue. See my post with examples deconstructed in that thread, where only one qualifies (an Actor Allusion for sideline reasons).

edited 4th Feb '18 10:49:33 PM by lakingsif

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#82: Feb 4th 2018 at 10:49:06 PM

What about instances where there are multiple Actor Allusions that it almost becomes a whole-role Shout-Out (i.e. a Casting Gag), but it is over a period of time and clearly done after the show was in production (i.e. not known at casting), is it still a CG?

The example that's got me asking: Chyler Leigh plays Dr. Alexandra "Lexie" Grey on Grey's Anatomy, the half-sister of the main character, and who leaves the Seattle-based hospital show after dying in a plane crash. Two years later, Leigh plays Alexandra "Alex" Danvers on Supergirl, the adopted sister of the main character who is introduced to the show in a plane crash where she nearly dies. Later in season one it is revealed that Alex went to medical school. In season 3, it is revealed that she didn't only go to medical school but that she did actually become a doctor and worked at a hospital in Seattle for several years before moving to National City. Whilst the character relationship was devised before the show was cast, and the character name is an allusion to Lex Luthor, and the plane crash introduction comes from a Supergirl comic, the many similarities were made apparent and it is likely that the later character details (doctor in Seattle) were added deliberately to make a whole-role Casting Gag.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#83: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:10:29 AM

^ Sounds like they developed a crossover character since the identity is implied to be the same. Is there an existing trope for this?

AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#84: Feb 7th 2018 at 11:27:02 AM

Casting Gag isn't one of the Tropes Of Legend, so redefining that trope won't take too long.

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#85: Feb 7th 2018 at 3:41:59 PM

On mobile at the moment, but we could get sandboxes up?

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AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#86: Feb 13th 2018 at 8:23:40 PM

Bump; haven't we got sandboxes up like what [up] said?

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#87: Feb 14th 2018 at 3:26:03 PM

Not yet, I'll set them up as copied page source with some tweaks. I believe on page 3 we agreed that Actor-Shared Background is trivia, but Casting Gag and Actor Allusion are both main page tropes?

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#88: Feb 14th 2018 at 4:19:34 PM

Please provide input :)

edited 14th Feb '18 4:20:25 PM by lakingsif

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AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#89: Feb 19th 2018 at 6:04:38 PM

[up] So tropers, what do you think of those two sandboxes?

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#91: Feb 20th 2018 at 8:27:37 PM

Bump for input; don’t want to change without consensus.

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AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#92: Mar 14th 2018 at 9:10:06 AM

Aren't we pretty much done?

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#93: Mar 14th 2018 at 1:43:48 PM

Has anything been done yet?

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#94: Mar 14th 2018 at 8:11:57 PM

It would be awesome to get opinions on the sandbox drafts; then we would move the text over, clean up examples and wicks

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#95: Mar 15th 2018 at 1:37:42 AM

I like the drafts. Two sentences on Sandbox.Casting Gag (actually from the original) strike me as awkward, perhaps they can be rephrased:

  1. Note that the gag is dependent on the casting and the role only rather than some later effected plot or dialogue.
    • The word only feels off, maybe "...the gag is entirely dependent on the casting and the role rather than..."?
  2. When the Casting Gag is specifically that a new role is an Actor Allusion for an already established character, it's I Want You to Meet an Old Friend of Mine.
    • Don't get it

edited 15th Mar '18 1:39:59 AM by eroock

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#96: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:43:57 PM

[up] like the suggestion for (1).

For (2), it's referring to the I Want You to Meet an Old Friend of Mine trope, which is an In-Universe version of Remember the New Guy?. I believe the sentence is saying that if Actor A being cast in Work Y is a reference to their role in Work X with Actor B, and Actor B has been in Work Y a long time, it is set up more like the other trope. That seems like too much explaining to have to do, though, so we could cut it down to "See also I Want You to Meet an Old Friend of Mine"

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#97: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:36:16 AM

I am fine with the shortening for (2).

Anybody else having an opinion about the two drafts?

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#98: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:59:23 PM

Draft descriptions look good, but some of the examples may need to be pruned.

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#99: Mar 17th 2018 at 5:25:42 PM

Looks like general agreement, I'll get the descriptions up and then we can go through examples. Probably no need to bring them to the thread unless you're uncertain. If you feel like the example fits but needs a rewrite, I'd suggest commenting it out.

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#100: Mar 18th 2018 at 5:05:28 PM

I suppose the image pickin thread can be reopened. The pages Casting Gag and Actor Allusion have their updated descriptions; the laconic descriptions that can be quoted for Image Pickin' are:

  • Casting Gag is a scenario where an entire role mirrors/parodies an entire previous role or RL situation of the actor. A conscious casting choice can be assumed. This can also apply to cameos.
  • Actor Allusion is reserved for deliberate yet rather isolated throw-away references to previous works/roles.

I would support Darren Criss as The Music Meister in The Musical Crossover of Supergirl (2015) and The Flash (2014) with Grant Gustin as Barry and Melissa Benoist as Kara (e.g. here) juxtaposed with their roles in Glee (perhaps combining this with this, on the same stage?). The other suggestions related to Supergirl/The Flash are either too ambiguous to portray (JAFAAC) or simply Remake Cameo.

edited 18th Mar '18 5:13:08 PM by lakingsif

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