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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#376: Dec 13th 2017 at 12:07:56 PM

[up]Well next season I expect Jigsaw as the main baddie, but now I just see a whole episode with other people doing stuff cutting back to Frank and the Russian fighting like the Family Guy chicken sketch.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#377: Dec 14th 2017 at 10:46:02 PM

This might be kinda off-topic, and I asked this before (before the thread degenerated into a gun control debate), but part of me can't help but keep wondering, "How do you think the hotel episode would have been resolved had Matt not 'died' in The Defenders?" My mind keeps thinking that if that had been the case, it would be Matt, not Frank, who rescued Karen from Lewis. Maybe Matt would come as Daredevil, or he would come with Karen to the hotel as Matt, and would have gotten Karen out of the room before the bombs went off, and then fight Lewis in the hallway.

For that matter, I wonder how Matt would handle talking down Lewis in the freezer. Would he try to talk Lewis down like Frank ultimately did, or would he just beat the shit out of Lewis (but with the situation in either version of events ending with Lewis surrendering and having his day in court, then getting committed to a psychiatric asylum)?

edited 14th Dec '17 11:30:38 PM by dmcreif

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#378: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:13:45 PM

Time to get back to this.

-Billy/Madani sex scene-

o_o

Alright then.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#379: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:14:25 PM

Please enjoy a brief compilation of every time Frank screamed over the course of this show.

WARNING: Thumbnail is kind of gross.

     

edited 15th Dec '17 10:15:00 PM by Soble

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ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#380: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:15:58 PM

I have to say, watching Ben Barnes (Russo) and Amber Rose Revah (Madani) interact together made me extremely happy that I'm bi, because god damn, they are a pair of extremely beautiful people.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#381: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:25:56 PM

That might have been the most graphic sex scene I've witnessed in the Netflixverse, at least since Jessica and Luke hooked up.

It's a little baffling that we go from Frank having an arrow visibly pulled out of his upper back to your standard, Hollywood sex scene. Billy walks bare-assed to the bathroom and Madani pulls the covers around her chest. Because that's what people do.

Funny, I figured The Punisher might be the first and only Netflix show to not feature any sex scenes given Frank's mental health, or lack thereof, and lack of viable romantic interests outside of Karen and, well -taps foot and stares at watch-

edited 15th Dec '17 10:26:39 PM by Soble

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#382: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:55:33 PM

Well just because Frank isn't interested in sex at the moment, doesn't mean other people won't.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#383: Dec 15th 2017 at 11:04:25 PM

What do romantic prospects have to do with sex?

Jokes aside, Frank is fairly asexual in the comics, because he's more or less still in a monogamous relationship with a dead person. But sex sells. Plus Billy Russo's backstory in the comics basically amounted to 'really handsome bad guy'.

Also, women totally cover their chests like that. A lot of men, too feel the need to be at least partially clothed once sex is done.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#384: Dec 16th 2017 at 1:40:32 AM

I didn't particularly like the sex scenes in the Punisher. Mostly because they didn't add anything. They felt like filler. The ones in Jessica Jones, they told me something about the characters. But those, they feel more like showing off.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#385: Dec 16th 2017 at 5:35:32 AM

Well just because Frank isn't interested in sex at the moment, doesn't mean other people won't.

Eh, admittedly it was naive assumption, but I still had it. Frank and Karen hadn't made out in the first 3 episodes and I was kind of impressed.

Also, women totally cover their chests like that. A lot of men, too feel the need to be at least partially clothed once sex is done.

I don't have a national survey to back me up, but I doubt that.

     

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I mean, I don't doubt that some couples do, but I seriously doubt they're in the majority or that most sex scenes where the actors immediately cover themselves are actually Truth in Television. (cue six people wanting to share stories about how they always cover themselves after [sex] and how all of their friends and coworkers do)

Someone on reddit said it's meant to indicate that Madani still doesn't "trust" Billy and isn't willing to reveal herself to him fully, that it's meant to foreshadow Billy's nature or something. That's a cute rationalization, but I'm far more inclined to believe that most networks simply want to have sex scenes, but at the same time preserve the modesty of their actors.

Aaaanyway, so back to the Punishe-

[up] So Trish and Nuke then...?

The JJ scenes were better, I admit.

edited 16th Dec '17 6:11:43 AM by Soble

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#386: Dec 16th 2017 at 7:58:30 AM

[up] That scene was important to establish the dynamic between them and to clarify that Nuke was a very considerate if a little bit dominant lover. The sex scene between Luke and Jessica did a great job to display their respective strength, plus, it was very relevant to the plot.

This scene just felt artificial. To clarify, I don't mind the scene in which he cleans the blood of her (that is chilling) or even when he leaves her bed and finds the files. But the act itself reminded me of a french soft porno.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#387: Dec 20th 2017 at 2:10:39 PM

I think the sex between Russo and Dinah was meant to be used to make it a shock for Dinah when she learns of Russo's betrayal.

Okey Dokey!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#388: Dec 20th 2017 at 2:39:58 PM

[up] In this case they should have portrayed is as something really loving and intimidate, not like something which boils down to "two beautiful people make poses".

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#389: Dec 21st 2017 at 7:42:55 AM

I don't think there is a reason to overthink what basically boils down to American prudishness and refusal to show naked breasts or butts.

Although it makes sense for sex between Russo and Madani to feel "too clean", as they are the kind of people - for vastly different reasons - who always want to appear perfect or "the best at what they do".

Something that is pretty low on Jessica's personal objectives.

edited 21st Dec '17 7:43:20 AM by Julep

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#390: Dec 21st 2017 at 7:48:22 AM

[up]It’s not Jessica unless she has zero fucks to give about anything.

edited 21st Dec '17 7:48:33 AM by Beatman1

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#392: Dec 21st 2017 at 9:33:35 AM

Sometimes beautiful people do get together and have sex just 'cause. It's a little gratuitous, I think, but I can see how the writers thought it was worth it for the payoff of that horrible scene where he washes her when she's covered in the blood of her friend who he killed. That's kind of the character of Billy Russo in a nutshell— he's only pretty on the outside, but we never really see the mask crack at all until his face is literally being ground off. I can respect that decision. Still, the way it's shot, the scenes leading up to Dinah and Billy having sex? A little gratuitous.

I kind of wonder if they wanted that to be a twist of sorts. Probably that works better if you don't come into the show, hear the name 'Billy Russo' and immediately think, "Oh, you mean Jigsaw?"

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#393: Dec 21st 2017 at 10:11:30 AM

[up] No. I mean I went into the show all "I hope this guy is not evil, I kind of like him, but he is a private contractor for "security forces" so I guess there is no way that he isn't because those guys always are", so the reveal isn't really that shocking and the sex scene is still gracious.

To be frank, I was kind of confused by it, because I thought that she arranged the whole test for an opportunity to talk with him and sleeping with a witness seemed to be out of character for her. But I guess I read more into the story than there was in the first place.

JOZeldenrust Since: Jul, 2010
#394: Dec 24th 2017 at 2:54:45 PM

[up]I read that scene as Dinah and Billy both trying to use intimacy to gain leverage on one another. To Dinah, Billy is a potential source of information, to Billy, Dinah is a threat. Neither of them was genuinely interested in the other romantically, but dating and having sex created situations where they thought the other might let their guard down.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#395: Dec 25th 2017 at 5:02:44 PM

Finished after many trials and hurdles.

Might Jon Bernthal be to the Punisher what Hugh Jackman is to Wolverine?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#396: Dec 25th 2017 at 5:20:25 PM

[up] I think that along with RDJ and Chris Evans he is one of those actors which embody the role they play so well, it is hard to imagine anyone else in it....I am inclined to put Anthony Macky in the list, too. He really deserves more critic for his performance.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#397: Jan 6th 2018 at 2:27:19 PM

You know, something that's not been discussed about the show is how much of it is about toxic masculinity. Anybody noticed how differently everybody treats the men from women, girls from boys? Look at how Frank treats and regards his own children, the separation from boys being little men to all females needing to be cherished and protected.

Okey Dokey!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#398: Jan 6th 2018 at 2:48:12 PM

[up] It is kind of subverted though by the daughter and not the son of Micro being the one hands-on with mechanical stuff and a bunch of woman in positions of power in male-dominated jobs.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#399: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:30:28 PM

something that's not been discussed about the show is how much of it is about toxic masculinity

I think I was more captured by the gun porn, the stuntwork, Jon Bernthal's acting, Madani's quest to hunt down Castle, Russo's transformation into Jigsaw, and catching as many winks and nods to the Punisher's comic book origins as possible. :/

I think that along with RDJ and Chris Evans he is one of those actors which embody the role they play so well

There's something about the way he roars in every battle I cannot get over.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:39:22 PM by Soble

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#400: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:17:35 PM

There are a number of CB actors whose performances are great enough to make it hard to imagine others playing the same roles - Krysten Ritter, Jon Bernthal, Melissa Benoist, Chris Evans, RDJ, Chris Pratt, Gal Gadot...

But there are so many shows and movies nowadays that it's hard to know if any of them will ever reach the prominence and visibility Jackman had as Wolverine. He started out in an era where SH movies were rare.

As for the "toxic masculinity" part, it's there, I'm not sure it's discussed though. Frank's love for his daughter is not really portrayed as unhealthy - his relationship with his son is discussed a bit, but that's it.


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