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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#126: Jan 21st 2018 at 7:25:32 AM

Hiro can't be the control unit. 02 wears a normal Pistil gear, and their Franxxx has her face.

verifiaman Since: Sep, 2015
#127: Jan 21st 2018 at 7:32:25 AM

Gigguk is gonna have so much fun with this at the seasonal recap

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#128: Jan 21st 2018 at 7:35:59 AM

I'd say it's actually harder to make fun of a show when the jokes already write themselves… Any joke you might think of will already have been made by someone else.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#129: Jan 21st 2018 at 7:47:21 AM

[up]That's why I'm flummoxed at the people who think this show is taking itself too seriously. Premise aside, it's about a sub boy who gets it up when being dominated by the fusion of Asuka Sorhyu and Star Butterfly with some Rei in for seasoning. It's overt, but it sure as hell isn't serious.

Alecoene Since: Jun, 2013
#130: Jan 21st 2018 at 8:55:09 AM

[up]Dude, she's a reference to Lum. The "darling" kinda gives it away. Also, I don't see how she is anything like Asuka.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#131: Jan 21st 2018 at 9:01:56 AM

[up]The hair. Aggressive Gainax/Trigger redheads.

And yeah, she is a reference to Lum, isn't she? Has the horns and everything.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#132: Jan 21st 2018 at 9:05:50 AM

I've also been getting strong Eureka Seven vibes from the show, not least because 02 looks kind of like Anemone. Really, it's kind of amazing just how many references, tips of hats, takes, and influences there are in this show already.

It's been fun.
Silentedge89 Since: Apr, 2012
#133: Jan 21st 2018 at 9:24:34 AM

The higher ups should just let Hiro and 02 be a cute S&M pair. They have the potential to be a really adorable couple and I want to see that haha.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#134: Jan 21st 2018 at 9:28:54 AM

I have a feeling there will be a role reversal at some point as a big twist, though.

02 is supposed to be a corrupting influence on Hiro, according to the official website.

Watch Symphogear
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#135: Jan 21st 2018 at 9:49:24 AM

[up]Yes but from who’s point of view is our dom corrupting him? The main narrative or those in charge?

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#136: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:06:31 AM

to say nothing of the fact that the girls aren't allowed to do it themselves while the guys are (and are even given molded rubber... controls to do so).

No? Zero Two pilots her FRANXX, even by herself, as seen in episode one when she tosses her previous partner out before pulling Hiro in after she'd clearly just got done piloting the thing. Hell Ichigo pilots her FRANXX by herself this very episode. It's obviously harder to do it alone but it's not impossible.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#137: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:18:02 AM

Okay, starting this episode, I now officially ship Hiro/Ichigo.

Silentedge89 Since: Apr, 2012
#138: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:28:36 AM

[up][up][up] exactly what I'm thinking. Is a narrative corruption or a corruption in the eyes of those who are clearly narrative corrupt?

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#139: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:29:41 AM

Apart from her name (Unit 02, anyone?), Zero-Two is a fully combat-trained pilot with Asuka’s aggressive attitude and fear of no longer being useful. She’s a reference to multiple characters, but the two heroines of Evangelion are particularly obvious and important.

What's precedent ever done for us?
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#140: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:46:04 AM

@Chariot: Right, that's my point - it's clearly doable, though not optimal, but it's clear that the Parents don't approve of it at all. It definitely does seem dangerous - it clearly puts some strain on Ichigo and Zero Two suggests that it might kill her - but my general point is, if you're going to make a 1:1 relationship between piloting the FranXX and sex, there's a responsibility for the narrative to bear the full weight of that metaphor (when it comes to related issues like orientation, sexual autonomy, consent, etc.). Basically, if you have a show that is at its core about a group of young adults learning about sex and relationships, you can't just say 'sex is for procreation and that's it'. (Well, you can, but...)

To Trigger's credit, I think they're making it very clear so far that that view is being enforced in-universe by the Parents, and (as was pointed out above) it's really not making any of the parasites happy. Zero Two and Hiro's relationship dynamic offers a perfect stepping-off point into the expanded metaphor about breaking normativity, since their non-teamed and irregular partnering is presented repeatedly as a huge shock to what these kids have been taught all their lives.

It's been fun.
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#141: Jan 21st 2018 at 11:19:03 AM

Yeah, it's worth remembering that as far as we know, the partnerships we see didn't come about organically; the higher-ups just paired them up with each other according to their own needs rather than going along with what the kids would've chosen. You could see that as a sort of parallel to an arranged marriage; none of them picked their partners, and some of them learn to work with it better than others.

Maybe it's a case where the Parents are trying to enforce the "sex is only for practical purposes (procreation/piloting)" and isn't meant to be enjoyable, only functional.

edited 21st Jan '18 11:21:20 AM by JapaneseTeeth

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ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#142: Jan 21st 2018 at 11:29:07 AM

The OP really does give me Cruel Angels Thesis vibes.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#143: Jan 21st 2018 at 1:24:30 PM

OK, I think after two episodes this show is starting to lose me. It's not like Cross Ange where I dropped it like a deadweight after the first episode, it's just... not clicking enough for me to want to keep going.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#144: Jan 21st 2018 at 2:40:06 PM

Next week on Doggy-Style: The Mech Anime. Will Hiro learn how to stay massively hard?? FIND OUT NEXT WEEK!

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#145: Jan 21st 2018 at 3:08:46 PM

[up][up] I feel like that's gonna be CA's main contribution to the mecha anime world in the future. No matter the series, you'll be able to say "it's not Cross Ange bad". tongue

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#146: Jan 21st 2018 at 3:16:06 PM

Cross Ange is a trying show, but I wouldn't call it bad. Even when it does dip in quality late in the series, its never bad.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#147: Jan 21st 2018 at 3:16:30 PM

Isn't that what we had Valvrave for already?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#148: Jan 21st 2018 at 4:08:35 PM

[up]That, and the Voltron reboot, in 10 years.

Does Gundam AGE fit? Kinda on the fence.

The only people saying this show is outright bad seem to be an extreme minrority, while most are more wondering “how far is this metaphor going to go?”

edited 21st Jan '18 4:13:19 PM by Beatman1

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#149: Jan 21st 2018 at 4:12:23 PM

Okay I contest on the Voltron reboot being among the bad.

Though I heard Gundam Age ended in a disaster.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#150: Jan 21st 2018 at 4:14:48 PM

[up]There’s bad endings, and then there’s Valvrave, which was bad from bell to bell. It’s the latter that are the true marks of bad.


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