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NightmareFuel.Planes and NightmareFuel.Eversion contain a lot of Fridge Horror and Epileptic Trees. While I've never seen Planes, I think Skipper's war flashback and possibly Dusty almost drowning are the only legit examples. On the other hand, I've played Eversion and it has plenty of Nightmare Fuel, but there's still too much speculation.
NightmareFuel.How I Met Your Mother is pretty bad. I'd say all of it is non-examples, with everything listed being Played For Laighs, with Fridge Horror (potholed in, no less), speculation, creepy faces, ZCEs, spoiler tags.
I've seen HIMYM and I totally agree, there's nothing remotely creepy in it.
I haven't watched the show, but is the Cockamouse really "one of the scariest monsters in television history" and its Scare Chord "one of the most terrifying pieces of music ever composed"? That sounds like some of the worst hyperbole ever written.
I'd be fine with cutting the whole page.
Edited by Zuxtron on Dec 29th 2018 at 5:42:46 AM
A quick image search later, and I get this for the cockamouse. Scariest monster ever? Really? It looks like a freaking Pokemon more than a horrifying monster.
Cut the page.
I think it's kinda cute. Just me?
Anyway, I know that NF pages are Spoilers Off, but would that include NightmareFuel.Vocaloid? The page needs a lot of help, and I was going to start with stripping all the spoiler tags, but then I started second-guessing myself. The point of NF pages being Spoilers Off is because they're for post-viewing discussion, but there are so dang many Vocaloid songs out there by so many different producers that someone could go to the NF page to look for a song they just listened to, only to get the twist ending of another song that they'd never heard of spoiled. I think most of the spoiler tags can safely go, I'm just wondering about ones that spoil secret messages or endings to songs. (Sorry if this question doesn't make any sense, I'm not the most eloquent person.)
Edited by NervousShark on Dec 29th 2018 at 12:43:01 PM
Okay, so that RWBY example needs to be shaved down:
That leaves us with a scene summary rather than a Nightmare Fuel. I think what I'll do is remove it from the page and ask if anyone wants to rewrite this to explain why the sight is Nightmare Fuel for the audience because that's what's missing. The reason I can't rewrite it is because it's just not Nightmare Fuel for me — I've had a go. I just can't do this one.
Regarding the last few posts:
NightmareFuel.Planes is almost entirely Fridge with some ZCEs thrown in. Remove the page.
NightmareFuel.Eversion suffers from heavy ZCE, Fridge use, and hyperbole. Even the image isn't Nightmare Fuel — it's non-descript and suffers from 'just an image and a caption' issues (and the paragraph that discusses the image is forced to admit that, in context, it's Nightmare Retardant). Remove the entire page.
NightmareFuel.HowIMetYourMother suffers from ZCE, Fridge and hyperbole. There's an Adult Fear example on the page about Lily dumping Marshall, but it's so badly worded, I can't tell if it's a legitimate example or not. There's also an example about mangled thumbs, but I can't see the image because my anti-virus is telling me the link is a malware risk. Everything else can definitely go, but if someone could clarify those two examples for me, that would be great.
NightmareFuel.Vocaloid: Yes, that page should be Spoilers Off. If people are visiting that page having listened to only a couple of songs then they run the risk of being spoiled for songs the haven't listened to. That is the risk all the Moments pages run for every work — that there might always be something you haven't yet seen from the work on that page spoiling a twist.
Looking at the page. I don't know anything about this work, but the page looks like, among other problems, it's troping generically and even groups, including the broad works of creators. The page image is a case of Fan Myopia. Speaking as someone who doesn't know the work, the picture makes absolutely no sense. I'm not even sure what I'm looking at — the mark on the neck might be sign of a severed neck or it might be a neck garter. What the extra arm and foot are, I have no idea. Yet the entry for the image clearly seems to think it's a self-explanatory example of the trope. It's not.
So, you're right, the page does look like it has a lot of problems, and you might find that some of these examples that are spoiler tagged end up needing to be removed anyway. I can see there's a lot of ZCE and Fridge going on as well, some of which is spoiler-tagged and therefore should probably be removed entirely.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:58:57 PM
I've added How I Met Your Mother to the cut list.
Like I said, Eversion is a very scary game, so the NF page shouldn't be cut despite the major issues with it.
NightmareFuel.Game Grumps has similar issues to what NightmareFuel.Jon Tron had; some legitimate examples mixed in with shoe-horns, bad context and the fact that a majority of things on Game Grumps is Played for Laughs, although they do get serious at times.
Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:12:10 PM
Thanks! I'll strip the spoiler tags from the page. The page image was actually recently chosen on the Image Pickin' forums. It's better than the old one, at least.
Yeah, there are a lot of ZCEs. There are a lot of questionable examples as well, and serious Example Indentation problems.
Edited by NervousShark on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:35:39 PM
I should point out the big difference with the two pages/works: JonTron is a review show with scripted skits that could actually be scary; Game Grumps is an improve comedy show done while the boys play video games, so 99% of anything that would actually be scary happens while they're playing a scary game, not doing anything scary themselves.
JonTron's original material can qualify, but if it's all or mostly misuse like not scary stuff, zero context, speculation and fridge entries, the whole page should just be cut altogether.
Jon's page did have heavy misuse, but there were examples that could be considered legit.
I'm not sure I can say the same for Game Grumps, but would like a second opinion.
To Boldly Flee has a lot of examples that are ZCE, reaching for it, or not-scary.
EDIT: A new Steven Universe episode came out so NightmareFuel.Steven Universe might need a look at.
Edited by lalalei2001 on Dec 31st 2018 at 6:28:29 AM
I thought it would be interesting to bring up the Nightmare fuel page for Deep Space 9:
I think a lot of those are valid, Deep Space 9 was pretty dark. Though this needs some changing, cut out the joke and put as a minor point about the Mirror Universe in general:
Its also mentioned twice:
Also, this is an intense moment, its not nightmare fuel:
The stuff with the Breen sounds like Fridge Horror to me:
Edited by Overlord on Jan 1st 2019 at 9:58:07 AM
Which “To Boldly Flee”, examples in specific are you referring to?
Overlord, my assessment of the page is below. I didn't include the full examples, sorry, because it was getting too long, so I hope it makes sense.
In summary, the page (as written) needs to be nuked entirely. Almost everything on the page is Fridge, scene summary, episode summary, character reaction, ZCE or justifying edits, natter and conversation. Even the references that should be this trope are so badly written that, as they stand, they cannot remain on the page.
So, I'd say nuke all the examples. Then we can rewrite the entries from scratch. I'm a Star Trek fan, I'll be happy to help rewrite the ones we decide to keep. Anyway, my suggestions are below — I think there are a maximum of 13 possible keepers, but only two of them can be kept as written (barely) — the other 11 would need to be completely rewritten to keep, and I'd rewrite all 13:
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 2nd 2019 at 8:08:18 PM
Seems like starting over might be the best option, then...
And makes me think I should give Game Grumps a thorough inspection, as well. I'll take care of that by tonight.
I think even if those entries are not well written, they allude to stuff from the show worth keeping. Garak turning into a Serial Killer in the Empok Nor episode is pretty scary, the revenge-obsessed killer from the "Darkness and the Light" who sent Kira creepy messages after killing her friends also stands out (the killer brutally kills one of them by messing up the transport beam), IMO and the virus from the Quickening is pretty nightmarish, its passed down generation to generation, has no cure, hospitals can kill people who are close to death and do nothing else, etc.
Edited by Overlord on Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:21:54 AM
I doubt Game Grumps would any real nightmare fuel, I have seen some of their videoes.
I watch them plenty and I'd agree with that. Some examples however might be legitimately creepy, but most everything on the show is played for laughs, so...
I don't get the "scene summary" thing. How are you able to determine something is or isn't scary without context?
Context is one thing, describing the entire plot is another.
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