Nightmare Fuel cleanup and maintenance

Court Dogs has reverted the edits I made to NightmareFuel.We Bare Bears. In order to avoid an edit war, I invited them to this thread to discuss what does and doesn't belong on the page.

My thoughts on the subject: We Bare Bears is the kind of show where nothing bad can really happen to the characters. This means that not every scene of them in danger qualifies, since we all know they'll turn out alright in the end. Only the most serious scenes of peril, with a clear threat to life, should qualify.

Either way, spoiler tags don't belong on Nightmare Fuel pages, so they'll need to go.

Here's what I'd cut, with justifications:

edited 22nd Sep '17 4:53:56 PM by Zuxtron

Your cuts seem pretty legit to me

Gonna work on The Defenders (2017)

Some of those are pretty awful.

edited 21st Sep '17 6:58:09 PM by Ghilz

Be sure to use the foldercontrol markup because otherwise there's no guarantee that people will be able to open your comment's folder. For example, I can't open Ghilz's folder...

I cannot seem to open the folder as well

I believe it's a problem with how folders work on the forum, not a problem with Ghilz's folders. Only the first folder on a forums page works, or something like that.

edited 23rd Sep '17 10:50:00 AM by NervousShark

To open Ghilz folder go up to Zuxtron's post and click on the folder control. It should open all the folders.

If you need contain a body of text into a collapsed collection in the forum, the Note mark up works better.

edited 23rd Sep '17 1:30:37 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Here are some examples in the Star Wars prequel trilogy that could be reviewed:

Phantom Menace

• One at the credits that doubles as foreshadowing. They reach the end, all is well and good, but then... Hooooooohhhhh... Khhhuuuuuuhhhh... Hooooooohhhhh... Khhhuuuuuuhhhh... in part due to it happening at such a quiet and mundane moment and due to how unexpected it is.
  • A fan took it a step further and replaced the Vader Breath with a snippet of dialogue Darth Maul's from the Clone Wars cartoon, with an echo filter applied. Not only is it terrifying, but it also implies Maul survived.
  Darth Maul: Revenge... I must have Revenge...

• In the climax when the Nabooean pilots make off in their recently-liberated fighters, one of them takes a hit from a gun turret and loses an engine, plummeting helplessly to a fiery crash in the valley below. Imagine what those last moments had to be like for the pilot.
• When Obi Wan and Qui Gon sneak up to find a battle droid army preparing for the invasion, there seems to be a eerie noise not unlike the kind you would hear in a haunted house. What doesn't help is that this same noise was recycled in TARKIN'S debut in Rebels. (The scene in question:https://youtu.be/pUbXyd-fK8Q?t=2m59s)

Attack of the Clones

• The second to last scene of the film: the Clone Wars have begun, and the GAR is assembled for deployment. We're given a wide shot that not only shows the sheer scale of the army, but what would ultimately become the predecessors to the Stormtroopers and Star Destroyers of the original trilogy. Then we cut to Palpatine on a balcony overlooking the army. Cue the Imperial March. (This one seems more suitable for a crowning moment of awesome IMO)
• There's just something about he scene where you see the clones that's a little chilling. For one thing there's ever present Uncanny Valley thanks in some part to Obi Wan being the only non-CGI entity, an environment so sterile that you forget that there's a raging storm going on outside, and lots of People Jars.
• And then there's the utterly hostile Bread and Circuses vibe given off by the whole arena scene (which is obviously the point). Obi-Wan disarms and dismounts a Geonosian riding by on an orray so that he has a weapon to defend himself against the acklay. The Geonosian recovers just in time to see the acklay walking towards him and he gets stepped on by its spear-like leg. And the crowd cheers.

Revenge of the Sith

• The previous movie showed Obi-Wan capable of going toe-to-toe with Jango Fett quite handily, but here he's thoroughly outclassed by Grievous and his quadruple-wielding lightsabers, and the General's Tranquil Fury and rather brutal beatdown can be quite unnerving.
• Anakin's march to the Jedi Temple (With hundreds of Clones in tow) was not much better. While not directly nightmarish, you can tell just by watching (and thanks to John Williams, hearing) that things are only going to get worse...
• (second bullet entry about Anakin choking his wife) Deeply unsettling Truth in Television: one of the top causes of death for pregnant women is murder, often at the hands of an intimate partner.
• Of all the billions of planets in the galaxy, Palpatine had to choose Mustafar, the galaxy's living Hell, to relocate the Separatist Council so Vader can kill them. Even the most depraved person would never want to be anywhere near it. That Palpatine sent them all to die there proves that nothing is sacred to him.
  • In Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Palpatine kidnapped Force-sensitive infants and took them there to perform possibly lethal surgery on them, in a show meant for kids and teens no less.
  • According to Star Wars Rebels Mustafar was later used as grounds to torture and kill Jedi survivors of Order 66. Luminara Unduli was one of these tragic victims.
  • Nineteen years later, Darth Vader has a castle there. If Mustafar is "where Jedi go to die", who's doing all the killing?

• In the video game tie-in, if you beat the final boss as Anakin, instead of going through what he goes in the movie, he manages to kill Obi-Wan. Then when Palpatine meets Anakin there, he hands his apprentice a new lightsaber... and Anakin stabs him with it. Can you imagine how different things would have been with Anakin as the Emperor?
• Consider this: for many children, both Revenge of the Sith and The Empire Strikes Back are probably the first films they've ever seen in which the bad guys actually win; the heroes are either dead or have barely escaped with their lives.

Heres one for Rogue One

• As the title appears in the D23 teaser, after seeing the Death Star looming over a lush world, a multitude of increasingly frantic voices are heard...and are suddenly silenced.
  • Just how close is the Death Star to that planet? Keep in mind, on the scale of spacefaring objects, it isn't that big — it's 120 kilometres in diameter (to put that in perspective, our moon is roughly 1/4 the size of Earth, yet appears smaller than a coin since it's more than 300,000 km away). And from the perspective of the camera, a significant portion of it is below the horizon. At the distances suggested, it would significantly affect the planet's gravity--at the very least, people would lose a significant amount of weight; at worst, there would be terrible tidal floods. Imagine waking up one morning, looking out the window...and seeing that above your head.
  • Another possibility is that the shot had been the equivalent of being taken with a very long (read: high magnification) telephoto lens, that compresses perspective a lot^note Back-of-the-envelope calculations show that in order to have the Death Star blocking our Sun, it would have to be at around 7,000 kilometers of the planet's surface. For it looking really humongous, the battle station would have to be in astronomical terms almost touching the planet (just a small couple of hundred kilometers away)... yes, the Death Star would make a HUGE mess of the planet below without needing to fire its main weapon and seemingly with no worries about the Roche limit.
• The Russian poster for the movie. In the background, it shows an army of Stormtroopers and AT-ATs advancing over the sea on Scarif, and in the foreground, a lone Rebel soldier's helmet lying in the surf...
• The battle of Scarif, no doubt one of the most amazing battles in the franchise, also comes as terrifying as the staggering amount of lives from both sides being lost onscreen is shocking. Of particular note, the Hammerhead attack on the Star Destroyer. Before this, the most horrific combat we've seen was the death of the Executor. An A-Wing smashes the bridge, killing Piett and the bridge crew, then the ship nose dives into the Second Death Star. Here, we see the horrified reactions of officers and crews in the face of their impending deaths. Afterwards, as the two Star Destroyers ram each other, there are countless explosions and crews getting blown into space. If any moment of the film shows just how deadly space combat is, it's this.
• (Second Bullet Entry about the Star Destroyer hovering over Jedha city)Worse, the mere fact this Destroyer is in atmosphere indicates (or at least implies) it is the smaller-but-no-less-deadly Victory-class Star Destroyer, which is designed for flight in a planet's gravity and is built for the primary purpose of a point-blank planetary bombardment. Imperial Star Destroyers have to aim from orbit. A Victory can park on top of its target and convert a city into a smoking ruin within seconds. ^note As far as we can see, it's an ISD-I. In the new canon, ISD-I and ISD-II destroyers are capable of functioning pretty low inside a planet's atmosphere, even though it causes a severe power drain on their reactors.

The following bullets are in order, so I won't number them. These are all in response to #57 and #58.

• Phantom Menace:
  • Cut and move to Foreshadowing on the works page.
    • Cut because it's not part of the work.
  • Cut. That seems like a personal fear. Moreover, weren't there many more pilots that died in that movie? Why would this one instance be scarier (at the end of the movie) than any of the others?
  • "there seems to be a noise"? Cut for being a hypothetical, or hallucination...
• Attack of the Clones:
  • The entry is not written as though the scene is scary. Cut. Move to Awesome/ or one of the others if it's appropriate.
  • "there's something about the scene"? Cut for being too personal (to the point where it isn't reasonably scary to anyone else). Maybe revise and put it on Uncanny Valley.
  • Cut and move to Bread and Circuses after revising for those other policy-breaking problems. It isn't written as though it scared anyone, and the tension was most likely intentional (that is, "a tense scene" rather than "a scary scene").
• Revenge of the Sith
  • Cut. "Can be quite unnerving" does not mean "can be quite scary." Moreover, it doesn't seem like it would reasonably scare people who haven't seen "the previous movie."
  • "While not directly nightmarish" is admiting it's a shoehorn from the troper's POV; ergo, not scary to the troper who wrote it; ergo, cut.
  • Truth in Television is being misused here as a verbal tic. Also, one of the top causes for... everyone (?) is murder. Cut.
  • This is not written as though it scared the troper, just surprised them that "nothing is sacred to him." Cut.
    • This should be revised and moved to the page for The Clone Wars, assuming it isn't already there. Cut and move.
    • This should be revised and moved to the page for Rebels, assuming it isn't already there. Cut and move.
    • This should be revised and moved to the page for Rogue One, assuming it isn't already there. Cut and move.
  • Cut for not being present in the work.
  • Cut for... speculation?
• Rogue One
  • I want to say "cut for not being present in the work," but it kind of is? idk
    • Cut and move to Headscratchers/ maybe.
    • Cut and move to Headscratchers/ maybe.
  • I want to say "cut for not being present in the work," but it kind of is? idk
  • Cut for not scaring the troper. "No doubt one of the most amazing battles in the franchise." Also, it's a war. There's a battle. People die in that battle. I'd think people should expect there to be deaths in this movie.
  • Cut. Whatever that person is talking about, it isn't present in the work. Maybe it's present in the franchise somewhere, but this isn't the page for the franchise, just Rogue One.

I found this massive example in the NF page for the Force Awakens. I don't know if this feels a little too much like a fan theory and Fridge Horror

• Don't think about how much sense it makes that Kylo Ren sees injuring himself as perfectly acceptable. Like, he doesn't argue when Han tells him that Snoke will throw him away, destroy him, as soon as he's outlived his usefulness. The script tells us he knows this, deep down. And he doesn't rage against it; it appears to be something he accepted a while ago. Why is that? Why is he willing to live with the knowledge that he is utterly expendable to the person on whom he has hinged his entire life? Well, let's take a look back. We now know that Ben Solo felt abandoned as a child, that his parents split before he was sent away. And let's not kid ourselves about whether he realized that at least part of the tension inherent in his parents' marriage was due to him. Ben was Force-sensitive from birth; this is a kid who would have been intimately aware of people's feelings of unease around him. And what happens after his parents split, after his father leaves? He's sent away. Even a child who wasn't Force-sensitive would be able to put two and two together. There's something wrong with him (he isn't the child his parents deserve), he's got this great and terrible power, and there's this struggle inside himself that's tearing at him day and night and he's hardly old enough to understand any of it other than that he scares even the people who love him enough that they send him away. He's wrecked his parents' marriage, their lives, and inside his head is this voice, one only he hears, telling him that he's right, he did, of course they sent him away; they don't want him anymore. Maybe they never even wanted him at all. Confirming all his deepest fears and twisting reality and playing into the mental and emotional issues Ben is already struggling with. They don't want him, this voice tells him, but there's someone who does—him, Snoke. Snoke who takes an adolescent Ben Solo and tells him that he's the only one who can understand him, that he's special, his best and brightest pupil, his great weapon. This is literal child grooming, as well as blatant manipulation of Ben's own non-existent sense of self-worth. In his own mind, Kylo Ren has only ever been wanted as one thing: a weapon. A tool. That is the value Snoke has ascribed to him, and it's the only value Kylo Ren knows. And if your only worth is as a tool, well, tools are meant to be sharpened, aren't they? Honed in whatever ways their masters require. If Kylo Ren must drive his fist into his own wounds to intensify his power, his usefulness, well, it's hardly a question at all as to whether he'll do it. His pain is the cost of his usefulness, and that usefulness is well worth the price. Because make no mistake, for Kylo Ren, there is no worth as a person. He is a thing to be used, but even that is better than being not wanted at all.
  • The scariest part about this idea is that, at one point, Ben may not have been able to distinguish between his own inner voice and Snoke. Snoke would probably have used this to mold him into what he wanted him to be. This would have caused a traumatic psychological break. There was literally nothing anyone could have done. Not Han, not Leia, not even Luke. This was something that was happening inside Ben, that only he could hear, and it was slowly twisting his mind against him. There's a part of Kylo Ren that does know he's been manipulated, but what difference does it make anymore? It's too late. Too late to make up for what he's done, too late to go home, too late to ask for forgiveness. He has to believe that all his suffering has somehow had meaning, somehow been worth it, and that even a little of what Snoke has told him is true. Yet after he watches his father fall, and is not suddenly powerful with his own self-righteous anger, but weakened... he knows it's all been a lie. He's always been nothing but a tool, and so he might as well use himself as one. What difference does any of it make? It's too late.
  • On a similar note: This particular trial obviously has a lot of weight between Kylo and Snoke, and it had to be this specifically. Why? Not just because it destroys any family for Ben to go back to, but because Ben himself is clearly repulsed by having to do it. It's not just about being forced to show his loyalty, but that by doing it, Kylo is confirmed in his own eyes as, as Rey says, a monster. Perhaps Kylo assumed that monsters just don't care, but it's worse than that: a monster has no right to care. A monster is of no worth, is shameful, debased, and repulsive and lucky if he's tolerated by someone who finds him useful.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:48:24 PM by SithPanda16

• Implies it's speculation or hypothetical:
  • "it appears to be"
  • [rhetorical questions]
  • "And let's not kid ourselves about"
  • "this is a kid who would have been"
  • "and inside his head is this voice, one only he hears,"
• Implies that this is not in the work itself (as shown on screen, which is effectively the same thing):
  • "The script tells us"
  • "We now know that"
• Implies it's personal to the troper:
  • "There's something wrong with him (he isn't the child his parents deserve)"
  • (look at how much purple prose is here compared to what could have been said to describe it) "there's this struggle inside himself that's tearing at him day and night and he's hardly old enough to understand any of it other than that he scares even the people who love him enough that they send him away."
  • (how many times does this troper say this following line) "They don't want him"
• This is just not scary. The whol paragraph — dissertation, whatever you want to call it — is about how a kid was groomed and brainwashed into thinking of himself as a literal object. That's sad. That isn't scary to people who don't, for whatever reason, have an irrational fear of it already. Also, I stopped read the paragraph at "A tool," because there's already enough in there for me to say that it's just a hypothetical

I'd also cut the sub-bullets if they're essentially about the same thing (since the head bullet wasn't in the work and was speculative).

edited 24th Sep '17 5:57:58 PM by WaterBlap

NightmareFuel.Gran Turismo seems like an easy cut.

edited 27th Sep '17 7:20:35 AM by CyberController

um... wow. I'm not sure why that page even exists.

I agree with the proposed actions on the various Star Wars pages above and with cutting the Gran Turismo page outright. The Rogue One stuff about the Death Star, I’d just cut.

edited 25th Sep '17 11:55:12 AM by Willbyr

Not going to comment on the Star Wars stuff. For the Gran Turismo examples, seriously, words and numbers?

What the fuck.

Like, I still stand by what I said before about the possibility for this thread to go way overboard into policing people's opinions, but... there's nothing there that even makes sense as being "scary." I'm honestly, totally baffled.

The introductory paragraph on NightmareFuel.Rick And Morty is very long and focuses entirely on the existential horror aspect of the series, which is a bit too specific since there's plenty of other types of scares in the show as well.

My suggested replacement:

Zux: I like that one better. It cuts straight to the point and tells us what is going on.

Need some opinions on Trigun mangas..

Obviously the spoilers need to be removed and assorted entries need a little work There are also a few sinkholes in the examples that can be trimmed out.

The first Section is the original Manga, Maximum is continuation of the original story line, and the anime is based on both. The very first entry is a bit problematic because it is reliant on a scanalation which is prone to errors and mistakes. The only thing I can find specifically is that the gang may have instead been slavers. Otherwise they are given very little mention.

Vash ultimately kills Legato not knives and he isn't crushed into a ball but has his neck and limbs broken but recovers because of powers he posesses. He dies by gunshot to the head in both the Manga and the Anime. This one can be rewritten to mention the mangling and his entombment in a coffin like contraption to recover.

For Max The very first entry is off screen and I can't find any actual info on it and several other entries are a bit vague or outright ZCE's.

The Anime Section, they tell us Legato is horrible but short of mentioning forcing one guy belonging to a violent gang who just happens to have a Mugging the Monster moment and Legato forces him to ram his hand into his own chest until he falls dead we aren't given much else. The majority of the entry is more or less cruft and the second bullet has nothing to do with this series at all.

Vash is feared in universe because he unintentionally destroys a city and there are a significant number of tall tales about how horrible he is. However in reality the character is goofy, kind, helpful, and caring even to the bad guys and does his absolute best to avoid killing anyone if he can help it. The second manga reference bullet point is effectively a ZCE and can be chopped.

Ok so thoughts and suggestions?

Trigun

• The true business of the Roderick Gang (at least according to the fan-scans), censored in the anime: organ harvesting.
  • The way Legato kills Johnson. The anime pulls a Gory Discretion Shot but the manga shows it in all its glory: Johnson is forced to rip out his own heart.
• The men who attack Wolfwood in the Church. Under their masks, their mouths are sewn shut & they have screws in their eyes! Their jackets also resemble the Roderick's...
• Right after Knives makes his grand entrance, Legato sees Vash and orders the Gung-Ho Guns to "Kill him!!" Cue Knives crushing Legato into a ball, shattering his spine. Only after that does he speak.
  "Who said you could kill him?!"

Trigun Maximum

• TriMax opens with the (offscreen) gang rape and death by torture of a girl whose family had a long feud with another over rights to a Plant.
• The opening of Volume 2 (Chapter 7). First, Gray the Ninelives impales Descartes on his own boomerang, then Legato forces all of the prisoners to pack themselves into a tiny tanker truck so tightly that they crush themselves to death as their blood begins pouring from the outtake valve.
• Leonof's Villainous Breakdown. It starts with him tearing his cheek, then his Fin Gore when defeated. plus his cases full of human viscera, Brad did not approve.
  • The fact that Leonof not only killed most of the Ship's inhabitants (including Sensei) and replaced them with perfect-likeness puppets just to mess with Vash, but he intentionally left one real girl in the middle of the melee, who ends up accidentally shot by Vash.
• Grey the Ninelives. In the anime he's indistinguishable from a robot; but in the manga he's actually nine midgets piloting a giant fleshy golem. It still bleeds High-Pressure Blood and sheds tears. Its mouth is… disturbing^*  (it looks like a toothy vagina). When its arm is severed, the arm crawls to the door release so the main body can resume the battle.
• Literally everything about Tessla. Check out the Tearjerker page for more explanation.
• In Maximium Chapter 23, the giant Chinese-themed bandit attempts to rape a woman. "You will be my 13th wife", "The other 12 are all broken", and "You will join them in heaven now" are just a sampling of some of his creepier quotes. Oh, and he have a metal pipe for a dick. Good thing Meryl and Millie didn't approve.
• The unnamed giant aiding Legato. It proves Not So Stoic & started flashing its deformed mouth.
• Rai-dei's massacre of the town he guarded combined with Tear Jerker.
• Wolfwood blowing off all of Razlo's face near the end of their fight.
• Legato's Venom-esque tongue that he flashes when Razlo and Chapel first appear. It's a borderline Big-Lipped Alligator Moment since it never pops up again, but the single image of it alone is incredibly freaky, especially since that's what's used to close the chapter out.

• Legato in the anime was already a scary man. The manga however cranks it up even more. He's a cynical and depraved individual, all but outright stated to be a cannibal and by the end of the manga becomes a complete raving lunatic. Sprouting massive slasher smiles and laughing insanely all while making Vash's life absolute hell. What makes it noticeable is that unlike the anime, Manga Legato doesn't just come off as evil. He comes off as mentally sick where any possible good in him has been destroyed leaving only a deranged monster who finally forces Vash past the breaking point. Everyone else valued their lives or had some sort of morality. Legato was just too far gone in his own insanity to have any sort of morality whatsoever.

The Anime

• Legato Bluesummers. A personification of nihilism combined with the relentless drive of the Green Goblin, and telepathic powers that can make a person claw his heart out, shoot himself dead, or just turn them into puppets for him to speak through. His goal, his voice (in both Japanese and English), his theme (which sounds like a demonic stereo system) is one of the most chilling 4:34 minutes of dissonant noise ever recorded, his ability to turn any potential kindness into cruelty—everything about this guy is absolutely terrifying. Only Legato can make eating sweets downright creepy.
  • His English voice is more disturbing for those who've heard it from a certain pacifistic samurai...
• Vash the Stampede himself. If you never meet him, if you're just simple townsfolk who never get to know the guy, you'd be terrified to death of a name known as The Humanoid Typhoon. Let's not forget that as good-natured as Vash can be, when he's absolutely enraged he becomes too much for anyone to handle. Don't believe me? Just ask Monev The Gale.
  • Then there is his transformation in the manga.

edited 25th Sep '17 7:44:24 PM by TuefelHundenIV

I'm good with the rewrite in 67. Recusing myself from the Trigun discussion as I never could get into the anime and have never read the manga.

edited 26th Sep '17 4:20:47 AM by Willbyr

NightmareFuel.Rick And Morty rewritten decription looks good.

I only saw the Trigun anime, and that was when it was reasonably new. I can offer some scattered comments on what's written, though. If you read carefully, you might notice a theme.

"Organ harvesting" is not enough context.

What Knives does lacks context. Why is injuring someone NF?

Likewise, "rape" and "torture" isn't much context either.

Literally everything about Tessla lacks context.

"Deformed mouth" isn't enough context.

Rai-dei's and Wolfwood's examples lack context. The latter might be enough in some softer works, but not this one.

The two anime examples are character examples, not NF examples. They need to be rewritten or removed.

Another Duck: More or less what I was thinking. I have only seen parts of the first manga though so I can't comment overly much on the Max print. I am not sure if what out of those examples is actually salvageable.

edited 26th Sep '17 10:29:59 AM by TuefelHundenIV

I'll also be abstaining from Trigun and The Defenders. I, too, would like to burn the Gran Turismo page to the ground. And I'm good with the Rick and Morty change.

So NightmareFuel.Kingdom Hearts exists. I'll be systematically going through these. IMO, all of the quoted examples here ought to be cut, but before I do that (it's a lot), I'd like some feedback.

The foldercontrol thing will push this down the page a bunch, so click it if you can't open the folders otherwise.

When I get some time I will throw up the rough draft for some proposed changes and salvage what I can.

Yeah, the ones you quoted make sense to cut. They're pretty weak, and in some cases more tearjerker material than scary (the deaths, mainly.)

I started scanning where you left off. Thoughts: (most spoiler tags, external links and potholes have been left off because I'm lazy)

"Potentially upsetting" or personal issues

Also potentially frightening is the fact that Organization members are constantly threatened with being turned into one of the aforementioned Dusks as a punishment.

The lead-up to the boss fight is quite unnerving, especially if you've seen The Lion King. So Simba throws Scar off of Pride Rock, as happened in the movie, and thus that's the end of Scar, right? He's hyena food now, right? But then he starts crawling back up the side of the cliff, and the major boss theme "The Encounter" starts. No doubt most players thought "Uh-oh, this didn't happen in the movie...."

Since the manga portrays Demyx in a slightly more positive light, you'd expect they'd also make his death relatively painless, right? Only if you consider getting impaled by a crapton of falling icicles "painless". Bloodless Carnage is, naturally, in full effect, but that's got to hurt.

More appropriate for Tearjerker

The game starts with Roxas essentially losing his own individuality, forced to re-join Sora in spite of his desire to be his own person.

Fridge Horror, relies on player extrapolation

This was mentioned on a Fridge Horror page: none of the Organization members question Xemnas' apparent ability to turn them into Dusks, or assume that he is lying to bring them to heel. How are they so sure that he can do this? Have they watched him do it before?

Scar. Not only does he commit every monstrous action he did in his movie of origin, but he turns out to be so evil that he is the only character in the entire series who manages to retain his normal intelligence and body after becoming a Heartless, something that not even Xehanort could do without possessing Riku. It was never stated that that was why he still looked like himself as a Heartless.

Normal for the series/difficult boss fights? shock and horror!

Xemnas's OHKO attack: he's trying to forcibly tear away Sora's heart.

Terra's Lingering Will in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix would be scary enough without any dialogue due to being a nigh-unstoppable force of destruction in battle, but he becomes far more unsettling because, presumably due to being a living armor, the guy's voice sounds like a distorted, metallic echo. Witness the fight here.

Just not great examples/makes tropers look timid

Saïx, during his boss battle, tends to yell "All shall be lost to you!" with the voice of a complete psychopath. The guy's pretty much The Berserker, mostly due to his moon-based powers inflicting him with literal lunacy.

The final boss from the first time you go through Beast's Castle, Shadow Stalker/Dark Thorn, actually (temporarily) eats Sora during the fight. I feel like "non-graphically swallowed whole temporarily" isn't really enough to be nightmare fuel, especially in a series that has a recurring Swallowed Whole Womb Level.

One of Sora's transformations, Antiform, is essentially a Heartless.

• Oh, and to make it even better, it's completely random when Antiform will activate; you'll just be selecting another power-up, quite possibly one you desperately need to finish a long and difficult fight, and then suddenly Sora basically transforms into a Heartless with no warning, complete with a nightmare-inducing sprite in the HP bar.

Right after Sora and Riku are left stranded in The World That Never Was, the entire world they are in begins essentially caving in on itself.

• The final part of the final battle takes place literally nowhere, in a place that doesn't exist. Go with it.
• Slightly mitigated by the fact that the next time you visit The World That Never Was, it's more-or-less intact, meaning that it either got better or the world caving in on itself was actually Organization XIII's Kingdom Hearts.

While the manga is only thinly connected to the games and is VERY cartoony, one scene in particular had a huge case of Mood Whiplash. In the game, when Shan-Yu is defeated, he just passes out. In the manga, once Sora defeated Shan-Yu, he is on the ground and is approached by Xigbar. Shan-Yu begs for more power, and what does Xigbar do? He shoots him! In the head! The manga is rated E. This part might be on to something because of the unusual mood whiplash factor, but the sub-bullet is just weak.

• Most of the chapter has normally happy-go-lucky Sora being pushed beyond his limits. He looks absolutely pissed that Shan Yu, The Heartless and Xigbar are keeping him from finding Riku. Well, at least until the above happens.

Saix's berserker state wouldn't look out of place in Bleach.

Huh?

The 2.5 HD Remix version of "One-Winged Angel" somehow managed become more terrifying, especially with the choir sounding like they're being held at gunpoint and the Psycho-esque sounds at the beginning.

Seeing Radiant Garden Tron being bound to a wall and tortured by Sark is horrifying enough on it's own, but considering what happens to the real Tron, especially after Sora defeats him in KH 3 D...

• Regardless, seeing any character[[note]] that doesn't deserve it getting tortured by electrocution is horrifying. The main trio even go through with it, with the torture victims being Donald and Goofy in the game, and Sora in the manga.
• And near the end of the arc, when Sark is grown to a giant, he grabs Tron and tries to crush him. Just looking at Tron's face as he screams in pain over being crushed is enough for one's spine to freeze. Anyone who saw TRON: Legacy or played Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance would really find this to be just too upsetting. Note that the manga examples are the only part of the page to use spoiler tags.

That's a lot we can probably cut from the first three games alone, and I'm being generous.

edit: oh, that's how you do the blockquotes edit 2: what the hell, I'm bored tonight, let's look at KH 2 as well

edited 26th Sep '17 10:48:17 PM by InsanityPrelude

Some of the examples on the main page for NF feel a little too much like Sinkholes, I feel like these should be revised a little. Complete Monster is also already mentioned in another example.

• Former heroes committing completely reprehensible acts both willingly or worse unwillingly.
• The incredible depravity and monstrosity of human beings at their absolute worst.

edited 26th Sep '17 11:11:56 PM by SithPanda16