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It appears that many Nightmare Fuel pages have problems, including:
1. Listing non-scary things that made the viewer feel slightly uncomfortable at worst.
2. Having spoiler tags on them (which is against the page's guidelines).
3. Listing Fridge Horror and fan theories.
And much more!
On a few occasions, people from outside the site's community have pointed out our overly lax usage of Nightmare Fuel to make fun of us, meaning that it can legitimately harm our reputation to let this go unchecked.
The TRS thread
meant for redefining Nightmare Fuel started to become a place for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages in general, so we may as well move these discussions to Long Term Projects where they belong.
Here are the guidelines to determine whether something is Nightmare Fuel or not.
- This is a page whose name is intended to be taken more literally than most. It's not enough for material to be scary; to truly qualify, it has to be frightening enough to legitimately unnerve/disturb the viewer, with actually being nightmare-inducing as the ultimate endpoint.
- Good signs that something IS Nightmare Fuel include if:
- It left you feeling shaken even after the credits had rolled, you turned the last page, or are otherwise done with the work.
- You have a hard time falling asleep if you think about it at night, or have a literal nightmare about it.
- You dread that episode, scene, level, chapter, or song during re-watches, and consider skipping it.
- With that said, don't add something just because it happens to be your personal phobia. For example, spiders can be scary and many people have arachnophobia, but just because a spider happens to be in the work, it does not make a Nightmare Fuel entry. It needs to reasonably be scary to someone without the phobia.
- Don't confuse tension with fear. If the hero is in trouble, but you know he'll make it out okay at the end, it's probably not Nightmare Fuel unless the threat is especially disturbing.
- Good signs that something IS Nightmare Fuel include if:
- Explain WHY the entry scared you. Try to convey your sense of fear to your readers. Avoid putting up Zero-Context Examples.
- Remember that Weblinks Are Not Examples, and neither are quotes on their own. You should explain the horror in your own words, rather than rely on others to do so.
- Don't add things that might have scared someone. If it didn't scare you, and you don't personally know anyone else who was scared, you shouldn't be adding it to Nightmare Fuel.
- Nightmare Fuel should stick to you even after you're done with the work.
- If something is initially presented as scary but turns out to be harmless, it's most likely not Nightmare Fuel since The Reveal makes the scariness vanish.
- Jump Scares are a good source of Nightmare Fuel, but not all of them automatically qualify: being startled is not the same as being scared.
- Hypotheticals are not Nightmare Fuel:
- Remember that Trailers Always Lie: a scene that is presented as scary in the trailer could very well turn out to be inoffensive in the finished work. Only add examples from unreleased works if they were especially terrifying in the previews.
- Fan theories do not belong on the Nightmare Fuel page under any circumstance. No matter how much evidence they have to support them, don't add them until they've been officially confirmed. In the meanwhile, take them to Wild Mass Guessing.
- Fridge Horror goes on the Fridge page, not Nightmare Fuel. Don't add it unless it's Ascended Fridge Horror.
- Keep in mind the work's intended audience when considering whether or not something is Nightmare Fuel.
- If something is normal or expected in the genre, it does not automatically qualify. Violence in a Fighting Series or gore in a horror movie must be especially disturbing or gruesome by the work's standards to be Nightmare Fuel.
- Remember that Kids Shouldn't Watch Horror Films. If a work is rated PG-13 or higher but would only be scary to young children, it's not Nightmare Fuel.
- The standards on what qualifies as Nightmare Fuel are especially stringent on works aimed at children and pre-teens: kids have hyperactive imaginations, so even something benign can give them nightmares.
- Spoiler tags do not belong on Nightmare Fuel pages. Much of what scares us comes from inherently spoilery stuff such as death and the unknown, so finding spoilers on these pages should be expected.
- Nightmare Fuel is an Audience Reaction, so it needs to be scary for the audience. Describing how the characters react to something scary isn't needed. Just because something scares them, that doesn't mean it scares us as well.
- Nightmare Fuel is a No Real Life Examples, Please! page. Meta-examples involving the actors, production, or behind-the-scenes incidents are not allowed.
Guidelines when proposing cleanup of a page:
- Some rules are pretty objective. If you see a Zero-Context Example, Fridge Horror, Real Life example, speculation, In-Universe reaction that isn't scary to the viewers, examples that explicitly describe themselves as not being very scary (including "mildly creepy", "somewhat unnerving", and other synonymous phrases), or examples that are just scene summaries without going into detail about why it's so scary, you can (and should) remove them immediately without coming here to ask.
- You should also strip all spoiler tags from the page. Itty Bitty Wiki Tools has a tool for that, but it can cause problems, so if you use it be sure to preview the page and thoroughly look it over.
- Once you've fixed the objective issues with the page, bring it here so we can look at the more subjective problems, such as examples that may not be scary enough to qualify. If a consensus is reached that a certain entry does not qualify, it can be removed.
Edited by Zuxtron on Aug 1st 2020 at 9:40:30 AM
Yeah, I got the two Bogeyman episodes the wrong way round. I've barely watched the Extreme Ghostbusters, so I can't comment on its appearance in that show.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 29th 2018 at 5:16:58 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
The first Boogeyman episode is worth noting, Boogeyman going up to Egon and saying I remember you and threatening those kids is kinda creepy, but he is more creepy in his second appearance.
I have seen some episodes of Extreme Ghostbusters, there is one episode that features the Grundel, who is as creepy as usual and another featuring a humanoid abomination who is going to drowned a bunch of children in the East River.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/ExtremeGhostbusters
YMMV.American Horror Story Apocalypse
- Nightmare Fuel: This season is focused on the apocalypse. THE APOCALYPSE.
Permission to cut?
Yeah, that's a ZCE season summary. Nothing to do with the trope as written.
I've just removed the following from NightmareFuel.RWBY Chibi for being character reaction instead of audience reaction. The troper who added it keeps making this mistake — he constantly adds character reaction examples instead of audience reactions. It doesn't seem to matter how many times edit reasons clarify this, he doesn't seem to pay any attention.
- "Nefarious Dreams", Episode 14's titular skit, shows Cinder dreaming of her victory as the Fall Maiden. The first shot's a direct throwback to the Battle of Beacon, and it also shows three clones of Cinder that behave like Hazel, Watts and Tyrian that turn on the real deal when she proclaims herself queen. It's enough to frighten Cinder awake.
Umineko: When They Cry is full of This Troper, Natter, and spoiler tags. I'd clean it up, but I haven't finished reading all the visual novels and don't want to risk seeing too many spoilers.
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has a pretty lengthy page and a folder dedicated to one character.
All we have so far are trailers.
"With every character who appeared in Smash Bros. making a return for this game, Ultimate is shaping up to be the most ambitious game in the series yet. And as the reveal trailers for certain characters show, it's also shaping up to be the scariest game in the series."
EDIT: The NightmareFuel.Super Smash Bros page for other games could use a look-see too.
Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 8th 2018 at 4:18:57 AM
The Protomen enhanced my life.They have been admittedly killing off characters in the trailers such as Luigi and Mega Man and Mario but the Luigi one is too comedic, also Brawl is probably still the darker game due to the Darker and Edgier tone of Subspace Emissary.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
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Super Smash Bros. was brought up not too long ago. The cleanup went up to Brawl, then it kinda got forgotten. I'm on a tablet right now so I can't make any big posts or edits, but you can see my analysis of the Brawl folder on page 19.
Ridley's folder is unnecessary. The only reason he even nerds a folder is because it's overloaded with natter and someone thought it was a good idea to keep it all instead of cleaning it up.
Alright I finished the gravity falls comic...
NightmareFuel.Gravity Falls Lost Legends
- The image page isn't really scary thought it might be a nice nod to this site.
- Mr. What's his Face might be scary but as it is it's a Zero Context Example.
- Faceless Mabel using a red pencil to draw a smile on herself is mostly scary in-universe to Stan.
- Stanbel
◊ is totally Played For Laugh and not remotely scary IMO.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
Agree with all of these. There's also the "Bill lives" entry which doesn't sound that scary. It seems like it's well-hidden so you have to go out of your way to find it, and it's just announcing that the bad guy will come back without actually showing him doing anything.
I removed some Fridge Horror from NightmareFuel.Deadpool 2016 and NightmareFuel.Deadpool 2. The first movie didn't have any entries that stuck out as particularly bad, but the second one has a lot of things that sound like misuse. Keep in mind that these movies are R-rated Black Comedy.
- Deadpool’s healing factor and gruesome injuries, while Played for Laughs, have large quantities of Body Horror involved as expected.
- The beginning where he blows himself up with propane tanks, bits and pieces of Deadpool scatter everywhere (complete with close up shots of Deadpool’s severed limbs flying everywhere) and Colossus has to drag the pieces back to the Xavier Institute.
As this entry mentions, this is a humorous scene. For example, when his severed limbs are flying all over the place, one of his arms passes by the camera in slow motion and we see that it's flipping us off.
- While imprisoned, Deadpool loses his powers (courtesy of the power dampening collars inmates are supposed to wear) and his cancer is starting to spread again. Thankfully, the cancer halts when the collar is removed, but his death would have been much worse had things gone differently.
This sounds a bit speculative, but it could be kept due to not being Played for Laughs unlike most other examples.
- Although it's Played for Laughs (again), seeing Deadpool regenerating his lower half borders on Body Horror and Uncanny Valley with his legs regenerating as small baby legs. Even Cable and the rest of Deadpool’s team, despite getting used to Deadpool’s healing abilities, find this unpleasant.
This was one of the funniest scenes in the movie. The reason why the characters In-Universe are grossed out isn't because of his baby legs, it's because he's not wearing any pants. Definitely a cut.
- One of the deleted scenes was going to feature Deadpool going through a whole suicide montage of using different methods to kill himself. Given how touchy the subject is and the large quantity of Body Horror that would have been involved, its likely that even the film crew decided to scrap this idea.
According to this article
, the two cut suicide attempts (getting eaten by a polar bear at a zoo and jumping off a skyscraper while drinking drain cleaner) are Played for Laughs.
- The beginning where he blows himself up with propane tanks, bits and pieces of Deadpool scatter everywhere (complete with close up shots of Deadpool’s severed limbs flying everywhere) and Colossus has to drag the pieces back to the Xavier Institute.
- During his time as a vigilante, Deadpool has become a Mook Horror Show and The Dreaded amongst criminals due to his healing factor and high body count. Granted, his victims (gangs, criminals, and the like) deserved it. However, when Wade Wilson wants someone dead, they die... horribly. Beware the Silly Ones indeed.
This is focusing on the In-Universe fear that the bad guys feel towards Deadpool. No one is feeling sorry for them when they get killed.
- Cable’s mission? To kill a child.
- Even worse? He thinks it's one hundred percent the right thing to do — so what happened in the future he comes from?
- Said child grows up to become a murderous despot who kills Cable's wife and daughter.
IMO the scariest thing here is the horrible example indentation. What Russel did to be targeted by Cable is mentioned in another entry, so mentioning it here is redundant, and knowing why he's doing it makes the attempted child murder at least a bit more justified. But if rewritten to focus less on the motive, this might be keepable.
- Said child grows up to become a murderous despot who kills Cable's wife and daughter.
- Even worse? He thinks it's one hundred percent the right thing to do — so what happened in the future he comes from?
- Okay. Take a former mercenary who fell in love with a stripper with basically the same brain as his, diagnose him with cancer, send to a mutant workshop for treatment, torture him into having said cancer envelop his entire body to the point of driving himself insane to the point of making said girlfriend think he's dead, have him kill the man responsible for said torture and finally have him and the girlfriend live Happily Ever After. Sounds good, right? Then why is this on the Nightmare Fuel page? Welllllll... what if, we add some Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome, mix in some Back for the Dead and then stuff the girlfriend into the fridge? Yeah. If a man who's defined by insanity is no longer tethered by anything or anyone, God help everyone.
This is literally just a recap of the first movie and the beginning of the second one.
- Deadpool getting ripped in two by Juggernaut in very graphic detail. And unlike the other times he's been injured, he reacts by completely freaking out. Granted, it becomes funny immediately afterwards but from a guy like Deadpool it’s kind of disturbing.
This states that it quickly becomes funny, and is only "kind of disturbing".
- The deaths of the X-Force members, barring Deadpool and Domino. In particular, Shatterstar gets shredded by helicopter blades, Zeitgeist gets sent through a wood chipper, and that's only after he accidentally pukes acid on Peter and burns off most of the right part of his body, and Vanisher gets electrocuted and burns to death. Bedlam probably got off lightly, as he was "only" hit by a bus.
On one hand most of these deaths are pretty gory, on the other hand they're Played for Laughs (we're led to believe that the X-Force are going to be Deadpool's teammates, only to have most of them die immediately afterwards). Leaning towards cut.
- There's something very... off-putting about Dopinder's increasing thirst for bloodshed. Keep in mind, the guy wants to become a contract killer. By the time he kills the Headmaster, he seems outright disturbed in the head.
- In a way, Dopinder is Cable's Exhibit A for the idea that killing one guy would cause someone to become a future mass murderer.
- Keep in mind that even Deadpool seems put off by Dopinder wanting to go full hitman, at least at first, and firmly shuts him down whenever he brings it up for most of the movie. That should tell you something.
As with most things in the movie, this is all Played for Laughs. His only kill is the movie's villain, and even Colossus (who follows Thou Shall Not Kill) thinks he deserved it. The second bullet point sounds like Fridge Horror, and the last one is an In-Universe reaction.
- Three words: The Juggernaut, bitch.
- While the original Juggernaut was more human in appearance, the New Timeline Juggernaut looks much more grim with his helmet looking more rusted and grittier and his height is more true to the original comic book counterpart. Apparently, the years have not been kind to him.
In other words, he's tall and wears a helmet.
- Then there’s the fact he can easily destroy a bridge in seconds, causing massive amounts of destruction on a freeway bridge. Cable and Domino both had a good reason to be cautious around him.
Considering how dark the movie is, destroying a bridge falls well within the expected level of violence.
- While the Ominous Latin Chanting chorus is Played for Laughs, hearing it while Juggernaut is charging at you can lead to a tense atmosphere. Holy shitballs, indeed.
The Ominous "Latin" Chanting is literally singing "holy shitballs"
which should take away any scariness the scene could have.
- It says something that Cable, a seen-it-all grizzled soldier from the future, seems to think that freeing Juggernaut is crossing the Godzilla Threshold.
In-Universe reaction.
- While the original Juggernaut was more human in appearance, the New Timeline Juggernaut looks much more grim with his helmet looking more rusted and grittier and his height is more true to the original comic book counterpart. Apparently, the years have not been kind to him.
Regarding the Real Ghostbusters entries over the page. I've had a chance to rewatch the Ragnarok and Roll episode (talk about nostalgia!) — I'm fine with the Ragnarok and Roll entry being left on the page. Well, with a better write-up, anyway.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 12th 2018 at 10:59:07 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.A list of examples @Wyldchyld has removed from the RWBY Chibi Nightmare Fuel page:
Volume 1: A character drowning to death, and a character dying by lava.
Volume 2: A character displaying tranquil fury, a character displaying not so tranquil fury, a character with a slasher smile about to stab another character in the face, and a full on cult experience.
Volume 3: Adult fear of kidnappers, characters being set on fire by other characters, cheerful acts of arson, characters having stalkerish nightmare face jump scares, eldritch abominations, and a literal nightmare.
I'm just going to be honest, I no longer trust Wyldchyld's judgement in this regard and I feel I should request him barred from editing that page entirely. His arguments consistently say that nightmare fuel is about audience reaction, and yet he continually removes the audience's suggestions for nightmare fuel, no matter who adds them.
Wyldchild's reasons were stated a couple posts about yours. If it's some of the stuff you mentioned, the gist of it is that character reactions are different from audience reactions and what's scary to characters in-universe and audiences out-of-universe doesn't always overlap.
This entry on The Loud House comes across more as Fridge Horror. A Similar entry was already rejected by this thread:
- In "No Such Luck," it's one thing for the sisters to ostracize Lincoln as payback after he made up being a jinx to avoid going their functions, but the fact that his parents so willingly went on board with the scheme to the point where they effectively kicked their eleven year old son out of their house, an onto the streets, raises some highly disturbing implications into their parenting style.
Edited by costanton11 on Aug 17th 2018 at 10:06:09 AM
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
The example was cut previously due to being Played for Laughs, and it's true that it also sounds like Fridge Horror.
Edited by Zuxtron on Aug 17th 2018 at 11:19:54 AM
Here's a newer entry on that page, which is a bit lacking in context.
- In Shell Shocked, Lincoln is paired with Ronnie Anne to care for an egg. Lincoln's Imagine Spots of Ronnie Anne deliberately smashing the eggs, she looks like Venom.
So, I found this entry for Super Mario Odyssey that I find... questionable. It starts off alright, but quickly goes on a slippery slope with each sub-bullet:
- The Mecha-Wiggler is disturbingly realistic and has very fluid, fast movements, not to mention it makes a horrific shriek.
- Even before the fight, things are looking horribly grim for the Metro Kingdom. It's constantly raining, the sky is dark, and all the New Donk residents are either indoors, on the outskirts, or on the rooftops. This is because along with the loss of power caused by Mecha-Wiggler, there are living military tanks and evil larvae that immediately burst into the form of a man eating bug patrolling the streets. Considering the size of the city, this isn't just Bowser trying to get something for the wedding. He wants nothing from there. This is an outright terrorist attack on the Metro Kingdom, to show what should happen if you get in King Bowser's way.
- Also, considering that the Metro Kingdom is specifically based on New York City and that Bowser is performing a terrorist attack on the city using military weapons, the whole thing bears an uncanny resemblance to the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
So let's dissect this one by one. The first bullet point is fine. Nothing needs to be changed there IMO. The second bullet point starts off okay talking about how dreary the Metro Kingdom is when you first enter it, but it loses points once it refers to Bowser's actions as a terrorist attack. If anything, Bowser's motivation for taking over the city was to advertise his wedding to Peach. The giant billboards he put up all over town makes his motivation there pretty clear.
The final point is a pretty dang obvious cut. No, Bowser's takeover of New Donk City does not in any way resemble the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I can't believe I had to say that, but it's true. No buildings are destroyed, and there's also no ash or screaming civilians. It's just stormy weather, cartoony tanks and bugs, and a giant robot caterpillar that zips across building to building without causing any major property damage. Just because a Manhattan-like area is under attack doesn't mean it automatically represents the 9/11 terrorist attacks, especially when it's so cartoonish.
Thoughts?
This entry has been added to the RWBY page. What do people think? It's from the new Volume 6 character short.
- There's a pretty unnerving moment near the beginning of the short where some of the White Fang (consisting of Sienna Khan, Adam, Ilia and Ghira) are being attacked by humans. Adam leaps into action and beats them up. He stays nonlethal until he sees the last one making a run at Ghira, at which point he unleashes a sword beam and kills him instantly. It may not seem like much, until you see the large amount of blood left behind (previously, the largest amount of blood in RWBY was Weiss getting stabbed in Volume 5, and even then, it wasn't that much). As if to drive home the point, the music stops after Adam unleashes the fatal blow. No ambience, no Lonely Piano Piece, just silence as the camera lingers on the scene. And then the White Fang start to praise Adam. It was at this point we saw the White Fang start to turn dark.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 18th 2018 at 2:09:35 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I just spotted Masterweaver's post
, and I want to address it separately. I hope people don't mind the double-post. I'll try to make sure I don't make a habit of it.
Masterweaver and I had a short discussion on the NightmareFuel.RWBY Chibi Discussion Page
, where I pointed out that the entire page has been through this clean-up thread, the three remaining examples are the ones deemed to be meeting the trope requirements, and that if he wants to bring anything to this thread to discuss re-adding then he's welcome to do so.
Since that clean-up months ago, I have only removed tropes for one of two reasons:
- Those that were readded after clean-up with an edit reason to explain why or with a link directly to this clean-up thread (in retrospect I should have added the link in every single edit reason).
- Those examples that are being written as character reactions instead of audience reactions, again with edit reasons pointing that out.
I alert this thread when I clean up to make sure I'm not removing something I shouldn't be.
However, looking at your post, this sentence stands out to me:
I'm wondering if you're misunderstanding what I mean when I mention the 'character reaction' problem. So, hopefully this will clarify what I'm referring to when I say that.
I've gone through the history page and found an example you added but which I removed for two reasons — the most important being that it's 'character reaction' (although its wording of the scene is also misleading, but that's easy to fix). Each time I've removed it, I've brought it to this clean-up thread (see my posts here
, here
and here
). Just to clarify, I am aware that you're not the only person who has added this entry to the page, but the problem with the entry has remained the same each time it's been re-added.
- Teenage Ninja Faunus Catgirl gives us Blake hanging from the corner of the kitchen, above the cabinets. As soon as Ruby becomes aware of her, the camera zooms in and we're treated to one very creepy Nightmare Face as she whispers "I see you Ruby Rose...". Ruby is understandably freaked out.
The problem with this entry is that it only tells us about Ruby. What the Nightmare Fuel trope needs is for the example to cite how the audience reacted. You added the trope to the page, so explain why this scene scared you and stayed with you after the skit was over as something that scares you. That's what the Nightmare Fuel trope is looking for — it doesn't care about Ruby's reaction, it cares about you.
In other words, rewrite this example from your perspective instead of Ruby's.
That's what I mean when I say the entry needs to be 'audience reaction' instead of 'character reaction'.
Does that help clarify?
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 18th 2018 at 2:43:13 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Just dropping by - won't that lead straight back into natter? A few years ago there was a big drive to clean up "I" from the YMMV pages, which were plagued with "this troper" reactions and "I cried" and so on. The example you cite uses Ruby as a proxy for the audience (the use of "understandably" shows that); and personal reaction examples are, at least to me, very annoying to read.
Edited by LongLiveHumour on Aug 20th 2018 at 12:59:52 PM
I didn't suggest using This Troper language. We're not allowed to do that.
The problem with the example as currently written is that it's actually using This Troper language (note the 'we') and it's inaccurate to use Ruby as a proxy for the audience because of a viewpoint difference between the audience and Ruby. Ruby looks up, exclaims "Ceiling cat!" and runs away (in their next scene, Blake corners Ruby and the audience learns that Ruby's overdue for returning a book back to Blake). Fans keep adding the example because of a Fourth Wall close-up of Blake's face to create a Nightmare Face Jump Scare moment solely for the audience. Instead of just saying that, the entry keeps projecting that Fourth Wall moment onto Ruby, who is eventually shown to be reacting to Blake for completely different reasons to the audience (she doesn't want to give the book back).
It could be rewritten something like this (although I assume someone can come up with something better):
- "Teenage Ninja Cat Faunus" sees Blake stalking an increasingly paranoid Ruby. Ruby thinks she's escaped Blake in the kitchen until she realises Blake is clinging to the ceiling watching her. Without warning, a close-up of Blake's face staring straight into the camera reveals distorted features, including vertically slit pupils, as she whispers "I see you, Ruby Rose" with a Hannibal Lecter-style hiss. When the camera angle returns to the kitchen, Ruby cries out "Ceiling cat!" and flees the room.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 20th 2018 at 2:57:57 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Since there wasn't any objections, I trimmed the Super Mario Odyssey stuff to get rid of the comparisons to 9/11. That was the only thing that really stood out to me on the game's Nightmare Fuel page, so it should be fine for now.

@ Wyldchyld, Boogeyman's second appearance reinforces that message, with Egon nearly dying while fighting a ghost having, panic attacks that help free the Boogeyman from his realm and summon him to Earth. He begins to torment Egon, till the other Ghostbusters drive him off, where he goes to torment some kids (Jr. Ghostbusters), the Ghostbusters drive him off again. Boogieman goes to an amusement park and turns it into a nightmare realm, where he can lure in victims to torment them. Boogeyman lures the Ghostbusters, Egon still having panic attacks through out the episode, when the some the Ghostbusters try to defy the Boogeyman saying they are not children he can scare away, he claims he can scare them to death. So Boogeyman is feeding on Egon's fear, the Jr. Ghostbusters try to rescue them, but Boogeyman notices them right away and starts moving towards them, saying lets see some real fear. Egon gets enraged that Boogeyman wants to harm these children, over comes his fear and defeats the Boogeyman for good. I think its a good sequel to his first appearance.
I think with the Grundel we should rewrite him in a more tasteful way, to make his subtext less obvious, but definitely throw in some reference to Adult Fear. The Grundel also appears in Extreme Ghostbusters, being his usual creepy self, so he would likely count there too, that show would have its own nightmare fuel episodes.
@ lalalei2001, I think we can keep Ragnarok and Roll, there a lot of end of the world episodes, but that episode does have a lot of good apocalyptic imagery.