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This was added to NightmareFuel.Steven Universe in reaction to a promo for future episodes:
I'm having a hard time understanding which part of this is trying to convey fear. The fact that the beam corrupted Gems is already listed, so it seems to be saying that what's scary is that it wasn't as strong as it was meant to be, merely corrupting its victims instead of destroying them. Am I reading this incorrectly?
Grammatical errors aside, seems like it runs solely on Speculative Troping. Cut it.
Anyone else have a comment on the Gundam Build Divers page?
Just came back from seeing The Incredibles 2, and I think that the Nightmare Fuel page for that movie has some more stuff that needs cutting aside from that logo joke that was brought up a while ago:
All right. I've removed the raccoon battle entries, as well as the ones with Edna and Jack-Jack, and Violet and Rick. Hope this works.
Krushauser in particular is a thousand percent Fridge Logic. Jesus.
The Incredibles 2 page highlights just how misused this "trope" is, adding more fuel to my desire to completely remove it.
I mean, there are plenty of valid examples on the page. But I think Zuxtron really hit it on the nose when he said "pad the page to make the movie look Darker and Edgier." And seriously, the Elastigirl/motorcycle entry is basically admitting it's misuse, calling it "creepy."
Just like the Gundam Build Divers page I mentioned here, I feel like people look for things they can manage to warp into sounding scary to make their preferred work sound cooler. It's like people see Nightmare Fuel as a badge of honor, kinda like Complete Monster and do everything they can to shoehorn it in.
Edited by Larkmarn on Jul 10th 2018 at 10:27:03 AM
I removed bad example indentation from that page, some of which was also Fridge Horror.
Fighteer, I think when you say "trope" in quotation marks the term you're looking for is Audience Reaction.
I'll take it every one of you agree with removing the part that's trying to make Elastigirl, Jack-Jack, and Reflux sound scary?
Yes to your last question.
Aaaaand it's gone. I think that does it for the blatantly non-scary things on the page.
I still feel like it's over-the-top, given the Screen-Slaver bits are more or less a freaking play-by-play of every moment that character is on-screen, but it's definitely a lot better.
Being mind controlled and forced to fight your own family is intense, yes, but whom exactly does it give nightmares to?
It certainly doesn't scare me, but at least I can imagine someone, somewhere finding it frightening.
Then again, perhaps being exposed to so much misuse of Nightmare Fuel has twisted my perception of what people actually find scary.
That's sort of the thing, though. Everything, even fluffy kittens, is frightening to someone, somewhere. That cannot be criteria for Nightmare Fuel or it might as well get blanked and replaced with a flat statement.
I think the mind control thing is more Adult Fear than Nightmare Fuel.
... good lord, no. Adult Fear is supposed to be realistic fears that are applicable in real life. Anything mind-control related is about as far from Adult Fear as you can get.
Adult Fear is heavily misused to shoehorn in Nightmare Fuel on the main page though... It's used as "look how bad this bad thing in this work is" most of the time imo.
Can I get a second opinion on NightmareFuel.Kingdom Hearts III? The entire page is hardly even ominous, and the game isn't even out, so how valid are any of the examples? Some "scary" standouts:
Honestly, I feel like the entire page just needs to be deleted. The page lists basically everything we currently know about the villains and their actions—i.e. anything that could be scary...and they're not scary at all.
Edited by urutapu on Jul 10th 2018 at 2:45:35 AM
Kingdom Hearts III was brought up a while ago, but nothing was done about it.
Among the examples you've listed, the first one fails Examples Are Not General. Second one sounds only vaguely eerie, and even then only if you understand the subtle symbolism. The other two also don't sound scary at all. In general, I'm always very wary of Nightmare Fuel based on unreleased content, since Trailers Always Lie and something that seems like it could be scary might very well end up harmless in the final product.
Another problem is that nearly every single example on that page suffers from bad indentation.
Also, is it just me, or is the page's image literally just a normal person's face? Apparently she's suffering from a case of Demonic Possession, but it really doesn't show. Seems like a case of Just a Face and a Caption in my opinion.
Here's my opinion on some other examples:
In short, pretty much everything on the page is problematic. The only thing that sounds like it might be keepable is Mysterious Onyx, and even that entry has problems. Perhaps axing the whole thing wouldn't be out of the question once Cut List starts working again.
It works again, at least partially (moderators can now accept or reject cuts, but cut reasons still won't appear). Feel free to decide whether it's okay to cut them right now or maybe wait a little longer.
I do think it would be nice to have a reason show up after cutting a big subpage for a hotly anticipated work that probably gets a lot of traffic.
For now, I removed the most blatant misuse (Fridge Horror, speculation, In-Universe reaction) and fixed the indentation.
Since cut reasons do not display on our screen either, it's quite likely that we won't accept any request that isn't immediately obvious. Which would most likely include any request from this thread. So until the reasons are fixed you should probably hold back on cutlisting.
Thanks for going to the trouble. Hopefully everything is working soon.
In the Nightmare Fuel page for ASOUE, I found 2 examples in Season 2 that I want to discuss here.
The first one goes,
This has a spoiler tag, which are not allowed on Nightmare Fuel (or any other Moments pages) and I think that this falls under Fridge Horror.
The second one goes,
Same as above.
Anyway, I wanted to let you guys know about these.
Edited by Playing_with_boy on Jul 11th 2018 at 1:50:55 AM
You're right about both of these.
The whole Nightmare Fuel page for that show has lots of problematic entries, such as lots of spoiler tags and bad indentation. I'm not familiar with the show, but here's my opinion:
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