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It appears that many Nightmare Fuel pages have problems, including:

1. Listing non-scary things that made the viewer feel slightly uncomfortable at worst.

2. Having spoiler tags on them (which is against the page's guidelines).

3. Listing Fridge Horror and fan theories.

And much more!

On a few occasions, people from outside the site's community have pointed out our overly lax usage of Nightmare Fuel to make fun of us, meaning that it can legitimately harm our reputation to let this go unchecked.

The TRS thread meant for redefining Nightmare Fuel started to become a place for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages in general, so we may as well move these discussions to Long Term Projects where they belong.

Here are the guidelines to determine whether something is Nightmare Fuel or not.

    Nightmare Fuel rules 
  • This is a page whose name is intended to be taken more literally than most. It's not enough for material to be scary; to truly qualify, it has to be frightening enough to legitimately unnerve/disturb the viewer, with actually being nightmare-inducing as the ultimate endpoint.
    • Good signs that something IS Nightmare Fuel include if:
      • It left you feeling shaken even after the credits had rolled, you turned the last page, or are otherwise done with the work.
      • You have a hard time falling asleep if you think about it at night, or have a literal nightmare about it.
      • You dread that episode, scene, level, chapter, or song during re-watches, and consider skipping it.
    • With that said, don't add something just because it happens to be your personal phobia. For example, spiders can be scary and many people have arachnophobia, but just because a spider happens to be in the work, it does not make a Nightmare Fuel entry. It needs to reasonably be scary to someone without the phobia.
    • Don't confuse tension with fear. If the hero is in trouble, but you know he'll make it out okay at the end, it's probably not Nightmare Fuel unless the threat is especially disturbing.
  • Explain WHY the entry scared you. Try to convey your sense of fear to your readers. Avoid putting up Zero-Context Examples.
    • Remember that Weblinks Are Not Examples, and neither are quotes on their own. You should explain the horror in your own words, rather than rely on others to do so.
  • Don't add things that might have scared someone. If it didn't scare you, and you don't personally know anyone else who was scared, you shouldn't be adding it to Nightmare Fuel.
  • Nightmare Fuel should stick to you even after you're done with the work.
    • If something is initially presented as scary but turns out to be harmless, it's most likely not Nightmare Fuel since The Reveal makes the scariness vanish.
    • Jump Scares are a good source of Nightmare Fuel, but not all of them automatically qualify: being startled is not the same as being scared.
  • Hypotheticals are not Nightmare Fuel:
    • Remember that Trailers Always Lie: a scene that is presented as scary in the trailer could very well turn out to be inoffensive in the finished work. Only add examples from unreleased works if they were especially terrifying in the previews.
    • Fan theories do not belong on the Nightmare Fuel page under any circumstance. No matter how much evidence they have to support them, don't add them until they've been officially confirmed. In the meanwhile, take them to Wild Mass Guessing.
    • Fridge Horror goes on the Fridge page, not Nightmare Fuel. Don't add it unless it's Ascended Fridge Horror.
  • Keep in mind the work's intended audience when considering whether or not something is Nightmare Fuel.
    • If something is normal or expected in the genre, it does not automatically qualify. Violence in a Fighting Series or gore in a horror movie must be especially disturbing or gruesome by the work's standards to be Nightmare Fuel.
    • Remember that Kids Shouldn't Watch Horror Films. If a work is rated PG-13 or higher but would only be scary to young children, it's not Nightmare Fuel.
    • The standards on what qualifies as Nightmare Fuel are especially stringent on works aimed at children and pre-teens: kids have hyperactive imaginations, so even something benign can give them nightmares.
  • Spoiler tags do not belong on Nightmare Fuel pages. Much of what scares us comes from inherently spoilery stuff such as death and the unknown, so finding spoilers on these pages should be expected.
  • Nightmare Fuel is an Audience Reaction, so it needs to be scary for the audience. Describing how the characters react to something scary isn't needed. Just because something scares them, that doesn't mean it scares us as well.
  • Nightmare Fuel is a No Real Life Examples, Please! page. Meta-examples involving the actors, production, or behind-the-scenes incidents are not allowed.

Guidelines when proposing cleanup of a page:

  • Some rules are pretty objective. If you see a Zero-Context Example, Fridge Horror, Real Life example, speculation, In-Universe reaction that isn't scary to the viewers, examples that explicitly describe themselves as not being very scary (including "mildly creepy", "somewhat unnerving", and other synonymous phrases), or examples that are just scene summaries without going into detail about why it's so scary, you can (and should) remove them immediately without coming here to ask.
  • You should also strip all spoiler tags from the page. Itty Bitty Wiki Tools has a tool for that, but it can cause problems, so if you use it be sure to preview the page and thoroughly look it over.
  • Once you've fixed the objective issues with the page, bring it here so we can look at the more subjective problems, such as examples that may not be scary enough to qualify. If a consensus is reached that a certain entry does not qualify, it can be removed.

Edited by Zuxtron on Aug 1st 2020 at 9:40:30 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3826: Apr 1st 2021 at 6:17:11 PM

Taking a look through Bugsnax, and sure enough I expected it to be full of baby-horror entries:

  • For some people, there is an intrinsic Body Horror aspect present in the way the Grumpuses can turn their limbs, and even their entire bodies into food. Some combinations in particular are arguably worse than others, and it can be jarring if you manage to transform the whole town. Keep.
  • Floofty has Bugsnax eyes on a tray with suspiciously subtle stains, preserved Bugsnax in jars... and their own severed leg, with bites taken out of it. Closer to Fridge Horror.
  • The Bugsnax themselves are rather distressing... Their googly eyes can have an Uncanny Valley feel to them. Tiffany notes that they don't even have bones (this, after she's eaten a Ribblepede), Wambus tells you that they just dissolve into tasteless mush if they're cooked, and that's not even getting into the fact that some of them do stuff like never land from flying, light things on fire and freeze targets solid. That should be its own entry under Uncanny Valley, not here.
  • The second party you have is a Ghost Story sit-down event. The characters discuss what happened to the dead of those who've come before them to Snaktooth. None of these are scary unless you're a grade-schooler. While this game is technically all-ages, it's marketed to have Multiple Demographic Appeal. At best, keep the last entry for being typical children-spookers.
    • Firstly, the campfire goes out with a gust of wind and you have to go to the mill to get more wood, starting from silence to the eerie Ghost Story theme.
    • Secondly, once you return, Filbo leaves to use the restroom, and screams a minute later. When you investigate, a creepy deep voice growls comes from inside. Filbo then reveals he didn't go in at all, and when you turn around, the porta-potty is wide open and empty. It's never properly explained what happened there, and whatever it was had a voice too low to have been Chandlo.
  • The reveal about the Bugsnax is probably the main dish in terms of horror. They're PARASITES, and the entire island is made of them. In hindsight, it makes perfect sense: the reason they're so tasty and appealing? It makes you want to eat them, then you get addicted, and eventually you die after having your whole body turned into inanimate snak matter. It's a Wham Episode, but by itself is mildly scary. Debatable.
    • "What you see here, this is what's left of everybody who came before us. Of every living thing that wasn't bugsnax. They ALWAYS win!" Natter. Delete.
    • Lizbert's state itself really helps, as her torso is connected to a disproportionately huge mixture of the legendary Bugsnax, with a Megamaki as the serpent-like shape and all her features randomly shifting into different Bugsnax. She barely resembles herself. Debatable.
    • The inside of the island even breathes, like a giant living monster and the liquid in the hallways is dripping from the ceiling. Walking around the island after this reveal, you can even see the way the water has turned into that same liquid; a sweet red, and that some rocks have already assumed the shape of amalgamated foods since it's their true form. Not that scary. The liquid looks closer to stomach juices. Delete.
  • Tiffany notes that through her archeology, she found that previous Grumpus' dead disappeared rapidly. Some bones were left, as well as fossilized Bugsnax-like material in their stomachs, but they were usually completely gone. The reveal, reveals, that this is most likely them being assimilated by the island in the past, to the point their organs and bones were breaking down as they ate Bugsnax. Those bones and fossilized snak material most likely were leftovers from those who starved/simply killed. Fridge Horror. Delete.
  • The hulking monster is none other than a bunch of Bugsnax swirling about and being forced into a humanoid figure by Liz, who is using them as a means to watch the town. It... doesn't look nice. And you don't know that it even is this until the very end, which means that if you happen to come across it just staring at you from the waterfall in Garden Grove, which it sometimes does, you'll probably jump out of your skin. Keep.
    • On the way to Liz with Filbo, sometimes diverging from the path a little means the Snaxquatch runs at you, and then the game teleports you a little ahead, where you're supposed to be. It can be really sudden, and since the path is still before you know that's Liz's doing, it's the closest thing the game gets to a full-on jumpscare. Admits to being pretty mild, especially since it's not even a proper Jump Scare. Delete.
  • Realizing you're gonna have to protect the townsfolk against the Bugsnax is a moment of horror, and it's especially bad if you've been feeding everyone more Bugsnax than the quests required you to, because if you transformed them completely during normal gameplay, the next Bugsnax they accidentally eat during this section is going to be their end. This means that you can have as little as a single hit point left, and if you want them to live you cannot afford to let anything near them. Fridge Horror. Delete.
    • Yes, in case you didn't know; you can actually fail each section. Everyone can die. If you didn't complete a character's side-quests, they're not going to be able to fight back when the Bugsnax try to get into their mouths. Worse, they're not going to even want to fight back in this case, succumbing to their personal demons and becoming Bugsnax in the process. To put the cherry on top, they'll delve into corrupted ramblings, from voicing their acceptance of a fate to slipping into delusion about how their betterment has been derived up until the moment they fall apart. Trim but keep.
  • The very fact that this whimsical little game has you actually pummel the creatures you've probably bonded with over the course of the hours into puree. And the first few you do this to are the Strabbys, which are red. You can imagine what the splatter brings into mind the first time you see it. Exaggerated. Delete.
    • Sort of easy to miss, but it doesn't help that every single time, the cutesy googly eyes that all Bugsnax have remain after their demise and can fly into the air, or roll around like a coin, as they do have physics of their own. How is that even scary? Delete.
    • Speaking of the Strabbys, it's jarring to see these Ridiculously Cute Critters, which have spent the entire game running away and hiding from you in the cutest way possible, suddenly marching towards you in small troops, all in the "angry" state. It's your first real indication that the Bugsnax aren't screwing around anymore. Again how is that actually scary? Delete.
  • If one of your characters dies during the town defense, their snakified body parts start to fall off as they succumb to their desire for the Bugsnax before disappearing completely, leaving only the parts behind. Admittedly a little creepy. Keep.
  • According to the after-credits sequence, Snorpy was right. The Grumpinati is real, Bugsnax are central to its plans, and Clumby sent you to Snaktooth expecting you to die. And considering that her mysterious handler said to keep an eye on you, who knows what could happen to you and the others post-game? Fridge Horror. Delete.

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#3827: Apr 1st 2021 at 6:38:57 PM

I've noticed quite a few people trying to make Bugsnax sound like hardcore psychological horror.

You say "keep" to the first example, but even that sounds like a huge stretch to me. I have a hard time imagining anyone having nightmares over a Snakified Grumpus. I thought it was funny to change the characters' features into food and trying to make coordinated looks for them.

What I'd be okay with keeping:

  • The Reveal about Bugsnax being parasites.
  • Maybe the Snaxsquatch? I don't remember encountering it until the end of the game, so I don't know what it's like to see it.
  • Maybe the second party. I remember it having a kinda spooky atmosphere, though I didn't find it scary personally.
  • The deaths of the characters if you fail during the final section.

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#3828: Apr 1st 2021 at 6:39:36 PM

[up][up] Related to that, there's a thread in Image Pickin' for the page. When a final decision is made, please LMK so I can note it in the thread when it's opened. Thanks in advance.

Edited by Willbyr on Apr 1st 2021 at 6:39:54 AM

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#3829: Apr 1st 2021 at 6:54:39 PM

[up][up] Yeah you're right, the first entry would be closer to Squicky than scary.

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#3830: Apr 3rd 2021 at 2:23:33 PM

NightmareFuel.Disney Theme Parks has some entries that toe the line as being real life examples.

  • This entire page can be neatly summarized as follows: every person that has ever been caught in a ride malfunction has a horror story. It's taken Up To Eleven if you get stuck in the Haunted Mansion when there's a malfunction. It's happened where It's A Small World malfunctioned and had the music go off. All those usually-adorable dolls dancing and "singing" in complete silence is really unsettling. Especially with the newer Audio-Animatronics, where the eyes are basically computer screens, especially the blinking.
  • There's also the eerily abandoned River Country and Discovery Island at WDW's Fort Wilderness area (Which are still abandoned to this day, yet in plain sight to most people). And despite being abandoned, the lights and background music there still continued to rununtil it was finally demolished in 2019.
    • An urban explorer snuck onto Discovery Island late one night and what he found likely made it even more unsettling. In addition to the lights still working (likely to keep it from becoming an eyesore,) when he got to the island, he found odd things left behind in some of the old decrepit buildings, like a nest with two very aggressive baby vultures, boxes of old employee photos, and most strangely, a bunch of small snakes preserved in old soda bottles and pickle jars.

And this one indented under the probably-valid-on-its-own Splash Mountain example:

  • What about the ride vehicles for Splash Mountain at Disneyland? At Disney World in Florida, the logs have adequate row seating and lapbars. At the one in California, the seating consists of straddling one beam going from the front to the back of the log, and only two measly handlebars on each side keep you from feeling like you'll fly out into the air on each drop.
  • Disney World only got lapbars in 2011 — they were added because of too many people getting scared and jumping out right before the final drop.

And the Stitch's Great Escape section seems to be a wordy borderline-ZCE mixed with a borderline-RL example.

  • It was eventually changed to a Lilo & Stitch ride because the original version freaked so many people out so badly, especially because Disney never found a way to properly warn people what it was. Stitch's Great Escape! actually uses much of the same technology and special effects as a prequel to the movie, but in a more lighthearted way — or so they thought. Travel guides confirm many poor tots whose parents probably never would have taken them to the old show have apparently been scared out of their wits thanks to the darkness and high volume level. Worse, due to the harness you have placed over you (largely for sound effects), the Unofficial Guide still has to warn parents "You will not be able to leave your seat to comfort your child if the need arises." Thankfully, the pre-show has been changed into something more light-hearted.
  • The Stitch ride may not be operating anymore either, but less than a year after its final operating day, a photo popped up on the Internet showing a dismantled Stitch Audio-Animatronic. The photo went viral with many people viewing it as extremely creepy-looking and giving them nightmares.

The rest of the page still needs a cleanup due to natter and RL examples, but that's a sampling of some iffy examples.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#3831: Apr 5th 2021 at 1:51:39 PM

Wait, the person who reviewed Bugsnax cut an entry for being Uncanny Valley, but I thought Uncanny Valley was a type of Nightmare Fuel

Edited by Spidey on Apr 5th 2021 at 4:51:52 AM

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#3832: Apr 5th 2021 at 2:05:08 PM

It can be, but not inherently. Uncanny Valley feels "wrong", Nightmare Fuel feels horrifying. The example itself was very mild, and nowhere near Nightmare Fuel.

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#3833: Apr 5th 2021 at 2:08:53 PM

[up]I see

Oh, and can somebody please do a clean up of NightmareFuel.Yo Kai Watch? It's a complete mess, to say the least.

Edited by Spidey on Apr 5th 2021 at 6:05:42 AM

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#3834: Apr 7th 2021 at 2:25:49 AM

The NightmareFuel.Moana page is fine for the most part, but many of its examples would fit better in Tear Jerker.

  • Tamatoa is a giant, narcissistic crab who was largely a comical villain, but still managed to be absolutely terrifying. Case in point, in the movie, he delivers a Curb-Stomp Battle to Maui while singing a David Bowie-inspired musical number. It sounds hilarious but it's actually a genuinely chilling and disturbing moment. Keep. Tamatoa is super freaky.
    • Tamatoa is stopped midsong by Maui when he gets his hook back. However, when Maui shows how rusty he is with his hook's shapeshifting powers, Tamatoa's starts to grin and then the second half of the song comes - "Well, well, well... " The sound of the music starting back up during that part is rather unsettling. Delete. This part isn't scary it's more surprising that Maui's hook doesn't work, and Tamatoa being scary was covered by the above example.
    • Not to mention, there's a verse in his song where he points out and tears into Maui's Inferiority Superiority Complex. Think about that. He's not just more powerful than Maui currently is, he also knows how to get to him emotionally. How to hit him where it hurts. And he loves every second of the process. Delete, Tamatoa is creepy in this scene, but him singing about Maui being abandoned is a lot more sad than scary.
      Far from the ones who
      Abandoned you chasing
      The love of these humans
      Who made you feel wanted
      You try to be tough
      But your armour's just not hard enough
    • The Italian dub misses some jokes, but dials Tamatoa's cruelty Up To Eleven: Delete, again this is just sad.
      You have the abandonment
      Ingrained in your heart.
      I leave you in the dark,
      You aren't that strong!
      Nobody loved you;
      But you tell me - who cared?
    • Tamatoa ends his Villain Song with an impressive Nightmare Face, complete with his eyes somehow flashing multiple colors, similar to Kaa's. Delete. This moment does qualify as nightmare fuel but is a repeat line, there's another example farther up the page which actually links to his Nightmare Face.
    • Him knowing what to say to Maui makes a certain amount of sense given they have fought before and are both old actually but how did he know exactly what Gramma Tala told Moana?? Delete. This might be the worst example I've ever seen. Basically in an earlier scene Tala tells Moana to listen to her heart, and in Tamatoa's song he makes a joke about Moana being told to listen to her heart. But this doesn't mean he knew that was what Tala told her? How could this be fridge horror? Moana has a lot of Meta moments about Disney films, and this is clearly one of them, since "listen to your heart" is a cliche line, and Tamatoa makes a joke about that. He actually breaks the fourth wall twice in the movie. This is funny, not scary.
  • Maui's parents "abandoning him" turns out to be them throwing him in the ocean to drown as an infant. Delete. Again, this is quite sad, but not scary.
  • It's almost a throwaway line, but this must really rub salt in Moana's wounds: Moana recently has experienced the death / loss of her Grandmother Tala, who Moana shared a deep bond with, and she hasn't even had the time to properly mourn her Gramma's loss since she immediately set off on her journey afterwards... then she gets to hear these words from Tamatoa: Delete. Again, I feel like I'm going insane, but this is sad. Moana losing her grandmother is not scary, it's upsetting for the viewer.
    Moana: [Upon Tamatoa trying to snatch away her necklace that contains "the Heart" stone that greatly signifies her relationship with her just-deceased grandmother] Don't! That's my Grandma's!
    Tamatoa: [Mocking Moana's voice] That's my Grandma's! [Serious again] I ate my Grandma, and it took a week, because she was absolutely humongous!\\

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#3835: Apr 7th 2021 at 7:47:18 AM

I agree with the assessment about all those entries.

I might suggest a slight rewrite to the one entry you suggest keeping. You mention that other entry on the page about Tamatoa's face, and I think the two entries should be combined. Keeping them separate leaves the one you want to keep as a very weak example and makes it feel like the second entry is the 'real' example. I'd therefore suggest a rewrite akin to this (feel free to change it if you like):

  • Tamatoa is a giant, narcissistic crab who was largely a comical villain, but still managed to be absolutely terrifying as he towers over Maui and Moana, threatens to eat them alive, and dissects Maui's character flaws. For example, he delivers a Curb-Stomp Battle to Maui while singing a David Bowie-inspired musical number; it sounds hilarious, but it's genuinely chilling and disturbing. The scene includes the use of bioluminescence to create a creepy interplay of shadow and light, where he looks like he was ripped directly out of "Friends On the Other Side"; In one particularly freaky image of him about to eat Maui, all that's visible are his eyes flashing like Kaa's, the paint on his face, and his teeth. Brrrrr...

In fact, looking at the page, there are some huge formatting issues with the page, even with entries that might be worth keeping. However, to start with, I think all the secondary bullet points under the one you want to keep should be looked at here. Each bullet point is picking out part of the scene to wax lyrical about how scary the scene is. It's unnecessary and it's gushing. All of these bullet points could be condensed into a single entry (which I've done by adding in references to the above suggested rewrite).

The bullet points I'm referring to are these:

  • Special mention goes out to him grabbing Moana and almost eating her, who at the moment was trying to distract him while Maui tries to get his fish hook back. He does this after taunting her about her grandma. Considering how big he is compared to Moana, he possibly could've swallowed her whole and Moana would've been Eaten Alive. And all Moana could do was squirm helplessly as Tamatoa lowered her closer to his maw...
    • Gushing and playing with anticipating, see my suggested rewrite entry for how the point of this can be added without any of the gushing.
  • Part of what makes it so effective is how quickly it all escalates. At first he's singing about how good it is to be pretty and shiny, and ten seconds after that it's about eating them, and not long after that he's suddenly looking like an Eldritch Abomination with lyrics that are a "The Reason You Suck" Speech that proves he knows all of Maui's secrets and exactly how to hit him where it hurts, and getting a Voice of the Legion in places (basically, there are parts that sound like a chorus - where there isn't one that we can see). He goes from funny, to funny but thinking you look tasty, to any humor vanishing in an instant as the purely malicious creature, who knows things he can't possibly know by normal means and who stands at the top of the monster realm's food chain for a reason, has decided to drop the act in terms of both appearance and personality, and make sure you suffer as he ends you. There's a good reason some wish he'd been the Big Bad.
    • This is pure gushing and can be removed. The little bit about dissecting Maui's character is easily added in to the suggested rewrite above.
  • Near the beginning of his song, his gestures while holding Moana, such as jabbing his claw into her chest and barely crushing her or pulling her arms as if he were on the brink of tearing her apart, make it clear he could destroy her very easily if he wanted to. In fact, with his size and strength compared to hers, it would probably be easier to accidentally kill her than it would be to keep her alive intentionally, and he only holds back because he enjoys taunting her. During his fight with Maui, he moves very deliberately to unbalance Maui and shake him off his shell, toss him around a bit, and then when Moana tries to run to help Maui, he jumps to the side and moves his claw to separate them, before grabbing and throwing Moana into a cage, and then very efficiently curb stomps Maui (hammering him into the ground with his claw hard enough for Maui to make an imprint, then dragging him against the walls). He does all of this while making it look like a dance. Tamatoa's behavior may seem strange and odd on the surface, but it belies a controlled, calculating mind that's intensely unnerving.
    • This is just a gushing analysis of the scene with some Fridge thrown in for good measure.
  • Tamatoa ends his Villain Song with an impressive Nightmare Face, complete with his eyes somehow flashing multiple colors, similar to Kaa's.
    • Added in the reference to this in my suggested rewrite.

That will still leave the rest of the page in dire need of cleaning, but that should hopefully be more about Word Cruft and Example Indentation issues than whether entries should be on the page at all. The first part of the page (the Realm of Monsters section) needs cleaning because it has conversation issues. At the end of the page, we have this...

  • How about the nightmare Moana has when she falls asleep on the boat? At first it seems like she's managed to steer them back to her home of Motanui... And the black plague that was threatening when she left is now engulfing the entire island, as her parents desperately run toward her on the beach, only to be swallowed and consumed along with all other life on the island. It's not until she wakes up, understandably panicked, that both she and the audience finally realize it wasn't real. But if the Heart is not restored soon... This is fine. Keep this.
    • Even better when you remember that, with the amount of time that the heart's been gone, and as implied by Gramma Tala's narration at the beginning, this has actually happened to probably hundreds of other islands. And even if the land actually gets restored at the end, those islands' inhabitants wouldn't have been so lucky... This is Fridge Horror and can therefore be removed from the page.
      • Admittedly after a thousand years the decay had only just spread to Motanui, which was seemingly only a matter of a week or so in distance sailing from the goddess' island. Ergo the number of islands affected at the time was probably not that high. The darkness also seemed to effect the open ocean centuries before any landmasses. This is conversation in response to the Fridge Horror and can also be removed.
  • More of an Adult Fear moment, but Chief Tui keeps going Oh, Crap! when Moana slips past him and his wife as a baby, walking towards the waves. While she's toddling along, he sprints at full-speed to grab her before she can even touch the water. It's Played for Laughs that she gets frustrated when he and his wife keep dragging her back to land, but you can understand his perspective since his best friend drowned and he blames himself. The first time she was gone for at least fifteen minutes and he was worried she had gone beyond the shallows. It is very easy for a toddler to drown, even if they know how to swim, as those in coastal areas can attest, and that's not even going into the risk of rip currents.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 7th 2021 at 4:43:12 PM

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#3836: Apr 8th 2021 at 1:13:55 AM

Just found NightmareFuel.Polandball. It's a mess of weblink-based examples. We either need to add context, or cut the page and move anything with context to YMMV.

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#3837: Apr 9th 2021 at 10:26:28 AM

Was thinking of creating NightmareFuel.Dune 1992 with this example, just wanted to run it by here first to see if it's acceptable:

If the player dies for any reason, they are treated to a surprisingly graphic time-lapsed cutscene of Paul's body rotting in the desert, followed by either gloating from whoever was responsible for his death or mourning from one of his friends.

Was gonna use this as the page image.

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#3838: Apr 9th 2021 at 10:27:40 AM

[up]If you only have one example then just put it on the YMMV page.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#3839: Apr 9th 2021 at 10:35:59 AM

[up] I have no problem with that, but does it change things if there is no YMMV page? Still gotta make a brand new page either way.

Also, I just found NightmareFuel.Dune which seems to cover the whole franchise, but a lot of the examples are pretty questionable. Like, most of them are just listing random things from the world-building without elaboration, and the last two sections are for a movie that was ultimately never filmed and a movie that has yet to come out.

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#3840: Apr 9th 2021 at 10:37:35 AM

You can make the YMMV page with the single example. The Moments subpages are meant to split the YMMV page, after all.

We can review the main Dune page as well.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#3841: Apr 9th 2021 at 11:10:02 AM

I think you can make a new page, you could probably find a few more examples in the novels and films.

Optimism is a duty.
Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
#3842: Apr 9th 2021 at 5:56:55 PM

I wrote NightmareFuel.Moshi Monsters and NightmareFuel.Songdrops back when I was A.) A young scaredy-cat, and B.) Didn't know that the fear response had to be strong. So they could use a look at.

For every low there is a high.
ATricksterArtist kiby :] from in your house (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#3843: Apr 9th 2021 at 8:05:33 PM

I can't say anything for Songdrops, but I was scared by accidently heading into The Fiery Castle when playing it as a child (so scared that I immediately closed it and never touched it again), so I feel like that could be kept.

(Don't) take me home.
Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#3844: Apr 9th 2021 at 8:52:17 PM

Okay, taking a look as NightmareFuel.Moshi Monsters. Note that I don't know much about that game.

     The Game 
  • In the "Welcome to Jollywood" mission, when Big Cheif Tiny Head captures your monster, Bobbi Singsong and Dr C Fingz, the ceiling starts to lower while you're still inside. Made even worse by the fact that spikes are on the ceiling. Luckily, Elder Furi shows up and saves the day.
    This one is maybe okay, though it's also a bit of a scene summary.
  • C.L.O.N.C. can be pretty creepy. They often kidnap Moshlings and either enslave them or turn them into Glumps, which alters their appearance, intelligence and mindset.
    This one is maybe okay, but it could describe the fear effect a bit better.
  • This Paranoia Fuel line from "The Doctor Will See You Now"
    Dr Strangeglove: "So peek outside your window and check behind the door. Is Dr Strangeglove lurking or has he called before?"
    This one is mostly a Zero-Context Example. MAYBE it could be okay with a major rewrite.
  • "Super Weapon Showdown" and "Cosmic Countdown" are both pretty creepy. They involve a Doomsday device that's set to destroy the world. They never outright say it but it could kill everybody if it worked. Thankfully, C.L.O.N.C. never wins.
    This one looks like an exaggeration, possibly with a touch of Fridge Horror.
  • The final mission in "Moshis vs Ghosts" features the ghost of Strangeglove's missing hand.
    ZCE
  • The description for Dearly Departed Nibblies say that they eat other Moshlings. Yikes!
    Um, maybe? Definitely low-context, and I'm not sure about it since it's apparently limited to a text description.
    • Speaking of Moshlings being eaten, there's Oddie, who apparently has to spend his life avoiding getting eaten. Also yikes!
    Bad indentation, and really doesn't sound nightmarish.
    • During the Twistmas song, a Psycho Ginger Boy is seen being shaken upside-down with a bite out of his forehead. He's also frowning.
    More bad indentation, and also sounds like an exaggeration.
  • At the end of "Super Weapon Showdown", Elder Furi's fate is left ambiguous as for all the player knows, he was blown up along with the Fiery Castle. Luckily, he shows up in Season Two.
    Sounds like more Fridge that later gets disproven.
  • The fact that two C.L.O.N.C. labs exist behind the Underground Disco, as evidenced in "Pop Goes the Boo Boo".
    ZCE
  • Some Katsumas will if left unattended, first look to their left and right, then stare straight at the screen in a way that makes their head look bigger, which can be an effective Jump Scare.
    Sounds like an exaggeration.
  • The Hatekeeper. He's like the Gatekeeper but he looks and sounds even more intimidating and he's evil.
    ZCE
  • The Hoodoo Stew you buy at a store has a skull and bones in it and the description says "No Hoodoos were harmed in the making of this stew—we hope!". Are they implying that a Hoodoo may have fallen into the stew and died?
    Fridge
  • The Foot Chair says "Now made with real feet". Umm, where would you get real feet from?
    Fridge
  • The Fiery Castle. It is an ominous-looking red and black castle situated in an area that has black rocks, no plants, fire popping out at random places, and lacks the sillier aspects of the rest of the world Moshi Monsters is set in. It is also guarded by the Hatekeeper, the Gatekeeper's evil cousin. There's also lava everywhere. It's seeping through several holes in the roof, one of which is pactched up by a sticking plaster. They enslave Moshlings there and you have to be quick to dodge a security camera that's shaped like an eye or else an alarm sounds. Of course, there's lava at The Volcano too but that's ruled by Elder Furi, who's the Big Good and has powerful magic. C.L.O.N.C., however, have no remorse, especially not for Super Moshis...
    Well, we have one account in this thread of someone finding this scary, so I'd say this is a keeper.
  • The Gatekeeper's loud, slow, booming voice and his mouth that doesn't move sideways could be scary on first glance. However, there's a bit of Nightmare Retardant in the fact that he's Elder Furi's assistant and actually quite virtuous.
    Nightmare Retardant means that it's probably not an example.
  • That spice from "Welcome to Jollywood". It can turn your skin red if you eat it. Like, completely red. Like a strawberry. That's not natural.
    Exaggeration.
  • Bubba the Bouncer's voice in "Moptop Mischief". It's a slow, gravelly monotone that just repeats "berb" over and over. That combined with his stern personality and frown can make him seem creepy.
    Sounds like more exaggeration.
  • Frau Nau Brownkau can be quite creepy. She has a stern voice, intimidating muscly looks, never smiles or laughs and she's willing to abuse Moshlings for her own use.
    Again, exaggeration.
  • While otherwise a silly mission, Candy Catastrophe has the main villain hypnotise the miners against their will into poisoning candy, which manages to get sold and make monsters sick.
    More exaggeration.
  • One of the Jelly Fuzzes on Gift Island is a shovel-worker named Elwood. He is very clumsy, which is normally Played for Laughs, but on his profile, it says that he gets concussed on the regular, which leads to short-term memory loss. Brain injuries on a kids' site! Yikes!
    Fridge
    • Speaking of background characters, there's also Skeeter Rydell, a postie. He is apparently on the lookout for a wife and seven children, but still hasn't found them. Imagine being married and having children and they've been missing for more than a week and you have no idea where they are!
    Fridge, bad indentation.
     The Movie 
  • The scene where the monsters are locked in a dungeon and on a Conveyor Belt o' Doom headed towards a furnace. Luckily, they escape.
    Scene summary.
  • When the Hoodoos throw the Moshlings into the soup. Especially how Katsuma says, "They're having us for dinner", hinting at Sapient Eat Sapient.
    Scene summary.
  • A minor one, but at one point, Poppet asks Zommer if he's still "on" the Wobble-ade. Does that mean he's The Alcoholic?
    Minor example, Fridge, just plain reading too much into stuff.
  • The scene on Sillimanjaro just before the We Can Do It song is this and Tear Jerker. The nightmare fuel comes from the fact that Blinki and Mr Snoodle sort of have hypothermia (Blinki's frozen and Mr Snoodle has turned blue). While this in itself might not be very scary, Poppet says that Blinki needs defrosting "fast" and Mr Snoodle "might not make it". Jeepers, is she implying they might have died?
    Sounds like Fridge

Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#3845: Apr 9th 2021 at 8:59:10 PM

And NightmareFuel.Songdrops:

  • The Tarantula song. It implies that tarantulas may eat your hamster note  and that they could be anywhere.
    As written, this is Fridge Horror. Looking up the song, I can kinda imagining it scaring some kids and severe arachnophobes, but this needs a total rewrite.
  • "Cocoa the Cute Little Coo Coo Calico Kitten", as the name suggests, mostly averts this, but there is one line. "She looked like a cat that I had once." What happened to the cat?
    Completely Fridge.
  • The fact that the pnuemonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis was mentioned in the Long Word Song is a bit creepy.
    Just plain not an example.
  • "The Wheels on the Bus are Falling Off". It is in the style of the Wheels on the Bus and sang in a high voice, but scary things are going on at the bus: the wheels are falling off, the brakes are going out, the engine is burning, there are mad snakes and hungry zombies, the children are screaming, and nobody knows where the first aid kit is.
    Exaggeration.
  • The Not Exactly Nursery Rhyme song has Humpty Dumpty get eaten.
    Scene summary.
  • "Octo the Octopo" is mainly about an octopus named Octo from Morrocco and all the words were adjusted to end in "O" for example "Octo the octopo was driving down the road-o in a purple turbo, he had one arm-o on the steering wheel-o; he had seven arm-o's left." This goes on until he uses up all his tentacles, and that's when things get dark. His car crashes. Yes, he probably survives, but he's said to "have no arm-o's left", which is a bit creepy for a kids' song.
    Sounds like an exaggeration.

...Yeah, maybe we should just cutlist that page.

Edited by Zuxtron on Apr 9th 2021 at 11:59:43 AM

Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
#3846: Apr 9th 2021 at 10:38:07 PM

I think "exaggeration" is the wrong word. I wasn't deliberately trying to exaggerate; remember that back then I didn't know what NF was for and was more skittish.

For every low there is a high.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#3847: Apr 9th 2021 at 10:50:24 PM

I wouldn't take it personally. Exaggeration isn't always intentional. If the song legitimately scared you then obviously you'd have a more exaggerated description of it than other people- especially if you're writing from the perspective of a child.

If this is a kid's work, and it scared you, I think the example is valid. It might just need a rewrite now that you're older, wiser, and braver.

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ATricksterArtist kiby :] from in your house (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
kiby :]
#3848: Apr 10th 2021 at 5:47:07 AM

Yep. While I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be terrified of The Fiery Castle anymore, I definitely was as a child. And considering the age demographic for Moshi Monsters...

(Don't) take me home.
ChillyBeanBAM KIRBY CAR from Ontario, Canada Since: Jan, 2020
KIRBY CAR
#3849: Apr 10th 2021 at 1:00:27 PM

NightmareFuel.Battle For Dream Island is a mess. There are ZCE and Fridge Horror issues in several places.

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marshenwhale SPACE WHALES from Park Bench Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#3850: Apr 11th 2021 at 9:29:36 AM

Ok, I've been putting this off, but I'm finally going to do the Volume 8 examples for NightmareFuel.RWBY. In an earlier post, I said it was full of terrifying moments, and honestly, I was wrong, most of it is just shocking. But there are definitely a few that would go in Nightmare Fuel.

  • In "Divide" when Camilla and Sleet confront Ironwood about martial law, Ironwood responds by murdering Sleet. The scene is a Gory Discretion Shot, what makes it worse is he uses his gun Due Process to kill him, which can kill a large Grimm in a single shot, meaning Sleet's head was likely blown off completely.
  • In "Refuge" we meet The Hound, and unlike other Grimm, It Can Think. Smaller Grimm are even frightened of it and will run away in its presence. It completely Curb-Stomps Jaune, Yang, and Ren, and proceeds to kidnap Oscar. And then we find out that it can speak.
    Ren: Give him back!
    The Hound: No...
  • In "War" Tyrian once again proves to be the most disturbed character in the show. When Emerald and Mercury are arguing about Salem's true goal, he comes out of nowhere and reveals that, unlike every other follower of Salem, he is entirely aware that she plans to destroy the world. The scene is made even more unsettling by him wrapping his tail around Mercury, which makes him visibly uncomfortable.
    Mercury: [talking to Emerald] Salem isn't ending the world.
    Tyrian: [appearing suddenly] Of course she is! You're surprised? Salem is destruction incarnate! Our mistress wishes to see the end of it all! There is no ideal more beautiful! If you couldn't see that from the start... you must be out of your mind.
  • In "Dark" the Hound returns and is just as terrifying as before. It attacks the Schnee manor in search of Penny and curb-stomps everyone and everything in its path. But the worst comes at the end of the episode after Ruby uses her Silver Eye powers on it, which causes its head to be blown off and reveal that inside it was actually a Faunus that Salem experimented on. And after this happens the Hound starts slowly walking towards them while saying the words "take the girl" on repeat. And while Whitley and Willow manage to push over a statue and kill it, they are still left in complete shock at what has just transpired.
    The Hound: [right before its demise] Take... the girl. Take the girl. Take the girl. Take the girl! TAKE THE GIRL! TAKE! THE! GIRL!!!
  • In "Ultimatum" Ironwood's Sanity Slippage goes completely off the deep end as he decides the only way to make Ruby's group cooperate is to nuke Mantle. In "Risk" when the Ace-ops question him about this he affirms that he is not bluffing and fully intends to do so if Ruby and her friends don't do what he asks. And when Marrow calls him out on this, Ironwood nearly kills him in the same way he killed Sleet, the only thing that stops him is that Winter arrests Marrow before he can shoot him.
  • In "The Final Word" After Cinder's victory over Team RWBY, she reveals that she locked Watts in the Atlas control room and used the staff of creation to set it on fire. The last we see of Watts is him desperately trying to break the windows with a chair while screaming in terror. To be fair, we don't actually see him burn to death, but still.

And there's one last thing to cover, the page image is in need of updating, and I have two possible replacements:

1. This image of the hound with the caption "Take... the girl. Take the girl. Take the girl!"

2. This image of Watts burning to death with the caption "I merely added more flames to the fires of Atlas."

—-

And that's everything, I hope all those examples work and we check this show off the list at least until Volume 9 comes out.

People need to feel alive. And these days... nobody feels anything.

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