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Is it OK to delete hypotheticals and non-ascended Fridge Horror regardless of whether the rules in the original post become official?
Nightmare Fuel says this:
So yeah, go ahead and cut Fridge Horror.
You can move it to the Fridge page instead.
Got it. I don't intend to do any cleanup right now, but if I encounter Fridge Horror on a Nightmare Fuel page I'll move it.
edited 21st Aug '17 3:58:54 PM by GastonRabbit
The NightmareFuel.Death Battle page is pretty bad. The show is about Cool vs. Awesome fights to the death between characters, yet the page lists almost every injury and death that occurs in the series. If you're so sensitive to violence that these fights are actually scary to you, you shouldn't be watching that show in the first place!
Some of the entries appear to have been written before the episodes were released, discussing ways the episode MIGHT have turned out and the implications (mostly by pointing out when one of the fighters is a kid, which would make the other character a child murderer if they win).
On top of that, pretty much everything on the page is in spoiler tags.
EDIT: I'm done cleaning up the blatantly rule-breaking examples and removing spoiler tags. There's still some stuff I'd like to cut, but that'll have to wait until after we get the new rules in place.
edited 26th Aug '17 1:38:32 PM by Zuxtron
While I can understand the enthusiasm for the clean up we really need to finish what we started. Namely addressing the rules adjustment so any changes can be laid out on the ]=NMF=] page and individuals landing on that page see the new info. Also we can point to here and say yes this was a consensus based change.
edited 29th Aug '17 2:45:17 AM by TuefelHundenIV
I've re-organized the suggested rules once again, incorporating the modifications I've thought of that others were okay with. I even added a section at the end to give people an idea of what DOES count as Nightmare Fuel. So here's the newest and best edition of the rule suggestions yet!
EDIT: I moved the section on what IS Nightmare Fuel to near the top, right after the part telling you that Nightmare Fuel needs to be more than a bit spooky, so readers can immediately get a better idea of the level of fear required.
edited 6th Sep '17 6:46:20 AM by Zuxtron
Overall looks good to me.
Well that's just my luck. Just when I don't have regular internet access for a month is when it's decided to finally do something about Nightmare Fuel. I guess it's too late to vote for burning everything to the ground? Oh well, the new rules brought up here have my support.
the New rules
for the new rules
I slightly re-organized the list by moving the section on what IS Nightmare Fuel to near the top. I think the list flows better that way, since it makes sense to give examples of the level of terror required to qualify right after telling them that a slight spook is not enough:
edited 29th Aug '17 4:58:34 PM by Zuxtron
That does look better. Good work Zux.
I went to the main page, but don't see the list. Where is it?
How will we be enforcing cleanup of misuse?
We haven't actually implemented these rules yet. The list I wrote is a few posts up, post number 57 if that's what you're talking about.
We'll probably just be cleaning them up as we find them. Pages with especially frequent misuse problems could have a commented-out warning put at the top and bottom, reminding people about these rules.
edited 31st Aug '17 2:32:50 PM by Zuxtron
I will start a project thread once we're done here, but I'm envisioning something more like the quotes thread than the Complete Monster thread. More piecemeal "I found something that needs fixing, please help" than "let's systematically work through the entire wiki."
So does anyone have anything else we can add? For the most part it looks like we have covered our bases.
Agreed, no one seems to be opposed to these rules, so I believe the job is pretty much done. Can I or someone else just put these rules on Nightmare Fuel right now, or do we need approval from a mod before doing that?
I think mod approval is needed before we make change like that.
After that, sandbox the change and if it looks good put it up on the page officially.
edited 31st Aug '17 6:19:02 PM by TuefelHundenIV
I support making the proposed rules official, but we should wait for staff approval before putting them in the rules list on the main Nightmare Fuel page.
Not giving a general staff opinion here, but: Discussion page would be better. The Nightmare Fuel page is not really the place to put instructions for editors; the main article page is for readers.
Speaking of, is there anything in the current description that might tell people that examples we don't want are fine?
Septimus: Except that is done on a regular basis especially for problematic pages and history shows the discussion page is regularly ignored by most editors especially those just adding an example or two and then never revisiting the page.
As someone who has done major TRS cleanups, I can absolutely guarantee that even when it's on the main page people won't read it.
Also, trope pages are for readers. Not editors.
I mostly agree with the proposed ruleset, but I think we need to formulate the rules list in a positive "This is a good example" and not in a negative "This is a bad example" way and point people to a "negative" formulation when they are asking about why their edits were wrong/what not do.
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How well does it match the trope?