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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#76: Jul 28th 2022 at 4:28:07 AM

What's wrong with having a Latina protagonist? Seems a little racist to immediately assume that would be bad.

In any case, the game will also add new missions and cities over time.

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#77: Jul 28th 2022 at 5:31:56 AM

That bit about Rockstar removing "Cops and Robbers" styled content - in a game that's largely been about said "Cops and and Robbers" content - doesn't bode well.

People play GTA to behave like a raging psychopathic asshole with an utter disregard for the law. Trying to clean that up is only going to get Rockstar assailed possibly from BOTH sides of the political spectrum, because I highly doubt the likes of Polygon and ilk are going to appreciate the game's story and setting no matter what direction Rockstar takes, and more conservative circles will deride it for trying to be too politically correct.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#78: Jul 28th 2022 at 6:07:01 AM

Oh, I'm sure you'll be able to shoot plenty of cops. I think the part they had issues with is the player playing a cop in such a mode.

The same conservatives who are criminalizing abortion? I say fuck em. Who needs to pander to the likes of them?

Edited by Redmess on Jul 28th 2022 at 3:08:11 PM

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#79: Jul 28th 2022 at 6:21:36 AM

[up]Playing as the cops pursuing criminals and conducting raids, particularly in a PVP or PVE mode? I wouldn't mind that.

And it's not like the GTA franchise has ever glorified cops, so it's not like the writers would make them shining paragons of virtue to begin with.

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#80: Jul 28th 2022 at 8:01:13 AM

The dropping of a cops and robbers mechanic wasn't a GTAVI thing, it was a mode they were going to add to GTAV Online, but canceled after all the IRL controversies started happening.

I think having a female protagonist presents a good opportunity, but they gotta be careful how they do it. Don't make a bunch of gendered winks and nudges to the audience, just let her be a badass like all the other protagonists have been.

The thing that confuses me is the "no more punching down humor." Well, how do you define punching down humor? Where is the line drawn? That seems like a very difficult line to walk.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#81: Jul 28th 2022 at 8:21:25 AM

As in, no more trans/homophobic jokes, sexism etc. No more making fun of minorities.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#82: Jul 28th 2022 at 11:31:44 AM

What's wrong with having a Latina protagonist? Seems a little racist to immediately assume that would be bad.

Speaking as a person of color, admittedly not for all but as one, there's quite a few things wrong with having a Latina protagonist as a reaction to poor work culture, and announcing it as part of a series of restructuring decisions with the expectation of immediate approval, yes.

My assumption is its done to appeal to me in a very superficial way, and its going to be grouped with a lot of other decisions I disagree with that will make the overall experience lesser for me. And that's unfortunate because being a woman in a GTA game would be a fun perspective flip.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#83: Jul 28th 2022 at 12:02:01 PM

But if they had just picked another white male, you would have complained about that instead. With such an argument, you can basically never be pleased, because such a move would always be seen as politically motivated.

I mean, we've already had two black male leads. A black female lead doesn't seem like such a leap to me.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#84: Jul 28th 2022 at 12:38:55 PM

But if they had just picked another white male, you would have complained about that instead

...would the problem somehow be more valid if I didn't complain when it was a white or black protagnist?

With such an argument

Argument being that sticking a person of color protagonist while changing a lot of other fundamebrals of Grand Theft Auto is a bad decision that makes me uncomfortable.

you can basically never be pleased, because such a move would always be seen as politically motivated.

No, I am extremely easy to please. Hypothetically if these two pitches were made

GTA V you play as 3 protags, a white dude, a black dude, and a Latina - everything is as crass, violent, and crazy as before! This is everything you love about this franchise times three!

Ah neat. Never played as a female gangbanger before. Im finna to buya rocket launcher and blow up some cop cars. Lol Lamar is such a politically incorrect depiction of a minority yet extremely memorable for it.

GTA 6 we some news outlets found out we'te a boys club, so we're making changes to a popular franchise. You're Latina, no jokes about minorities anymore, police violence is a thing and video games shouldn't make light of it.

...yeah I don't know if I want this.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 28th 2022 at 3:46:45 PM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#85: Jul 28th 2022 at 1:25:33 PM

So you want offensive jokes about Latinx people and trans people? Okay then...

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#86: Jul 28th 2022 at 1:29:28 PM

Latin X is considered offensive by a vast majority of Latin American speakers because its seen as Cultural Imperialism. Just an FYI.

Latine is the preffered term.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jul 28th 2022 at 4:29:48 AM

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#88: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:16:16 PM

[up][up][up] Old convo but I get the feeling that their point is more that it feels like an insincere corporate-mandated face-saving hard swerve away from the things that gave the series a memorable identity, crass and insensitive as they were. Not saying I fully agree but not saying I disagree either. And yeah "Latinx" is somewhat contentious in actual Hispanic communities since its a term invented by non-spanish-speaking white people that violates the grammar conventions of the language.

Anyway, it's basically confirmed at this point that the story is about an Outlaw Couple consisting of a white redneck and a latina girl; Jason and Lucia. It's set in Vice City and the surrounding countryside; they start as trailer trash and the story is likely about them trying to escape poverty, rubbing shoulders with "higher-class" crooks in the process.

As for gameplay advancements, car interiors are planned to be a lot more detailed with more moving parts, the weapon carrying system from RDR2 is returning with some changes, cash pickups/inventory might be a touch more in-depth (you have to carry stolen cash in a bag of some sort and deposit it somehow before you can spend it), and pedestrians/cops may be getting some AI improvements to make them behave more realistically and dynamically react to the player's behavior/actions.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Sep 19th 2022 at 12:17:41 PM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#89: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:24:23 PM

I hope they won't be super cops with sharpshooter aim and player magnetism any more, like in V. It's not much fun when you can't actually hide from the cops.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#90: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:05:24 PM

The hacker also said they were "looking to negotiate a deal" with Rockstar to potentially prevent the release of more footage and information, including purported copies of "GTA 5 and 6 source code" and a "GTA 6 testing build." Release of that kind of code could be incredibly damaging to Rockstar, potentially giving hackers even greater opportunity to mess with the stability of the games' online modes.

Looks like this is a bit more serious than just leaked content.

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#91: Sep 19th 2022 at 3:43:34 PM

Supposedly the source code thing was fake but I don't really have a source on it beyond hearsay. Probably worth waiting for some kind of official statement on it.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#92: Sep 20th 2022 at 3:04:00 PM

Of all the things, I'm genuinely annoyed and frustrated by just how many gamers I've seen go "Looks fake. This isn't what games look like! This is an indie knock-off! So fake news dude!"

Gamers can be so incredibly stupid when it comes to how games work and are made. They can be the equivalent to a man screaming at you for daring to suggest there may indeed be some connection between an egg and their chicken dinner.

I did get an amusing laugh at a bunch of devs on twitter roasting some poor idiot who claimed "Graphics are the first thing completed about a video game".

Edited by InkDagger on Sep 20th 2022 at 7:10:20 AM

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#93: Sep 20th 2022 at 5:33:21 PM

I was actually surprised at how many people didn't know what an in development game looks like.

Anyway, cool to see a female protagonist in a GTA game and the Bonnie and Clyde theme is a nice angle.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 20th 2022 at 8:46:18 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#94: Sep 21st 2022 at 2:07:14 AM

You just gotta laugh at them, and if you meet them and they can be reasoned with, feel free to enlighten them. They often just don't know any better. Those posts probably come from kids who don't really know how games are made in the first place.

And don't be too hard on them, it's not as if many people realize how other media is made either. I bet plenty of adults think movies are shot in the same order as the end product, just to name one example.

[up] It's pretty cool, yeah. It also sounds like a return to Rags to Riches storytelling, which I like. I'm kinda sick of the whole deconstruction of those storylines in recent GTA games, to be honest. I play to have fun in an escapist setting, and I'm well aware that it is unrealistic, I don't need to be told. Especially not by example, for 40 hours straight...

Edited by Redmess on Sep 21st 2022 at 11:09:44 AM

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#95: Sep 21st 2022 at 2:13:35 AM

[up][up][up]It's especially bad since of course it escalated into outright abuse directed towards the devs.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#96: Sep 21st 2022 at 2:18:39 AM

You could show them this comic. That's a great demonstration of the disconnect.

I think that is exactly how people initially imagine a work of fiction is made: that it is finished scene by scene, level by level, chapter by chapter, etc. You make one perfect polished mission, then you make another.

Oh look, a food analogy.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 21st 2022 at 11:29:12 AM

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#97: Sep 21st 2022 at 8:08:27 AM

I am not at all surprised at people not knowing what an in dev game looks like.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#98: Sep 21st 2022 at 8:30:14 AM

Yeah, it doesn't help that big game studios these days are very secretive about the process and paranoid about leaking anything at all. This is basically what you get for keeping everything secret until the last minute.

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#99: Sep 21st 2022 at 8:53:40 AM

They keep things secret BECAUSE it looks rough like this. BECAUSE over reactionary people who don't know any better jump to conclusions about what it means for the final product. And what do you mean last minute, game doesn't even have a release date yet.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#100: Sep 21st 2022 at 9:05:14 AM

I mean relatively last minute, when the trailers and gameplay footage come out.

And if they didn't keep it so secret, more people would understand it and not complain about it.

I mean, have you ever seen someone complain about an unfinished house looking unfinished? An unprepared meal looking unappetizing? Of course not. People generally understand those processes because they can see them.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 21st 2022 at 6:07:14 PM

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